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Re: Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Isn’t is bit extreme to buy a book so you can get the roof color right on one or two freight cars? Why not just answer his question? I would if I know the answer.



Nelson Moyer



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SANTA FE PAINTING BOOK YOU CAN BUY GO TO THE WEB SITE STORE

http://www.atsfrr.com/index.shtml



On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:15 AM, srrfan1401@gmail.com <mailto:srrfan1401@gmail.com> [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



I need help here. I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars. It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color. And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself. Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)

Thanks in advance

Fenton Wells




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Re: Naperville/Lisle Goodies

Mike Fortney
 

Bill,
That little electric is Frank's pilot model of an Illinois Terminal Class B locomotive, slated for release sometime after the acid tank car. The power trucks are NWSL Stanton underfloor drives. With proper weighting, this little guy should be able to pull the paint off the wall. Still working on dialing down the cost of the poles.

Mike Fortney
Bloomington, IL


Re: Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

tjcataldo
 

SANTA FE PAINTING BOOK YOU CAN BUY GO TO THE WEB SITE STORE

http://www.atsfrr.com/index.shtml

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:15 AM, srrfan1401@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I need help here.  I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars.  It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color.  And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself.  Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)

Thanks in advance

Fenton Wells




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Re: Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

O Fenton Wells
 

Good catch, November 1952 would be close.
Thanks
Fenton Wells

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Fenton Wells asked:
"I need help here. I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars. It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color. And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself. Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)"

It would help if you told us what time frame.

Ben Hom




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Re: Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells asked:
"I need help here. I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars. It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color. And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself. Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)"

It would help if you told us what time frame.


Ben Hom


Re: Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

George Hollwedel
 

Time frame?

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From:"srrfan1401@... [STMFC]"
Date:Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM
Subject:[STMFC] Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color



I need help here.  I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars.  It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color.  And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself.  Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)

Thanks in advance

Fenton Wells




Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar roof color

O Fenton Wells
 

I need help here.  I know not much about Santa Fe painting schemes for freight cars.  It is my understanding that the boxcar roofs were a black color.  And that the roof walks were roughly the same color as the car body itself.  Again, I don't know but am getting ready to paint my last car for Cocoa the ATSF Bx-28 and I would love to show up and not have everybody pointing at the car and chuckling, ...they usually do that anyway! ;>)

Thanks in advance

Fenton Wells


Re: Naperville/Lisle Goodies

Pierre Oliver
 

Nothing like getting prodded by your friends. :-)
Bill is correct. There is a new goodie in my hands. Yarmouth Model Works has been developing HO scale versions of the AC&F proprietary end and roof. Sample prints have been on hand for a while now and I've been showing them to a select few.
In a year or so it is the intention to release a number of 40' boxcar kits featuring the AC&F end, roof and "Carbuilder" end.
That's all I'm prepared to say at this time.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 10/21/2014 10:37 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

At the Yarmouth table there was an end and roof for a future series of Steel Boxcars that have been covered in depth in an RP CYC from the last 2-3 years. One had to ask to see them. He was showing them at Collinsville also I think. Pierre may want yo elaborate.


In the Display Room on Saturday Frank Hodina was there with one of his little AC&F Acid Tank cars and a pole powered electric locomotive belonging to a mid-western Electrical. I know I messed up some terms here but others can elaborate. Sideframes and the Loco superstructure are resin with some sort of fancy drive trucks. Priciest parts are the two polls.

Bill Welch


Re: Naperville/Lisle Goodies

Bill Welch
 

At the Yarmouth table there was an end and roof for a future series of Steel Boxcars that have been covered in depth in an RP CYC from the last 2-3 years. One had to ask to see them. He was showing them at Collinsville also I think. Pierre may want yo elaborate.

In the Display Room on Saturday Frank Hodina was there with one of his little AC&F Acid Tank cars and a pole powered electric locomotive belonging to a mid-western Electrical. I know I messed up some terms here but others can elaborate. Sideframes and the Loco superstructure are resin with some sort of fancy drive trucks. Priciest parts are the two polls.

Bill Welch


Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

As I recall, the MDC triple hopper is a reasonable approximation of several batches of C&O cars. Here’s one example:

 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co108923dba.jpg

 

The major problem was that the A and B ends of the MDC car were reversed. I reworked about half a dozen of those cars, taking care to preserve the factory lettering, which was pretty good. Here’s one example of what I was able to do:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~lzdaily/IMG_3464_resized.JPG

 

Best to all.

 

Larry

 

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

 

 

It's a tolerable approximation of the triple hoppers that Bethlehem built in the 1950s. IIRC the MDC car also has a few traits of the partially-welded AC&F triples of that period, but Atlas has a better model of those now.

David Thompson


Re: Naperville/Lisle Goodies

Schleigh Mike
 

At the Friday dinner Joe announced next year's meeting for the third weekend in October.    That should be 15-17.  The conflict with MoPac was regrettable. Also Canadian Thanksgiving.

Regards--Mike


On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:49 PM, "omahaduck@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
The Missouri Pacific Historical Society is meeting in Houston in October 8-11 2015 and Jefferson City October 6-9, 2016 am thinking the Naperville RPM normally didn't conflict with our meet but this year it did.  When is the dates for Naperville next year?

Charlie Duckworth



Re: fourth sale of Hendrickson kits

Tony Thompson
 

This is to remind you that the deadline for bids on these kits, of which I sent a list on October 15, will be noon, Pacific time, on Tuesday, October 21.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; e-mail: tony@signaturepress.com


Re: Naperville/Lisle Goodies

Charlie Duckworth
 

The Missouri Pacific Historical Society is meeting in Houston in October 8-11 2015 and Jefferson City October 6-9, 2016 am thinking the Naperville RPM normally didn't conflict with our meet but this year it did.  When is the dates for Naperville next year?

Charlie Duckworth


Re: Ventilated box cars

David
 

"It seems odd that the 1923 ACL cars were significantly shorter than the USRA cars which preceded them."

Some railroads stuck with 36' cars well into the 1920s, apparently believing that the extra cubic capacity of larger cars was rarely utilized in typical service. Also keep in mind that ventilator cars were also insulated, and the insulation technology of the time was barely adequate for larger cars.

David Thompson


Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

David
 

It's a tolerable approximation of the triple hoppers that Bethlehem built in the 1950s. IIRC the MDC car also has a few traits of the partially-welded AC&F triples of that period, but Atlas has a better model of those now.

David Thompson


Re: C&O or NYC Well hole flat question

S. Busch
 


Bud Rindfleisch wrote asking about the missing brake wheels on his brass S scale C&O / NYC well hole flat car.
 
Bud,
 
I looked through my C&O equipment diagram books and learned that C&O had two groups of 125 ton well hole flats, which were identical except for the length of the well.  Cars # 80975 through 80980 are shown as 52' 8" over the strikers, while cars # 80996 through 80999 are shown as 62' 6" over the strikers.  All the cars were built by Greenville Steel Car in January and February 1942.  Two of the 52' 8" cars (# 80976 and 80980) were sold to the NYC in 1950.    Seth Larkin's note replying to you has a link to the equipment diagram for the NYC cars.
 
All the cars were fitted with "Universal Multi-power removable staff" hand brakes, two per car, according to C&O's diagrams.  The top surface of the brake wheels stood 3' 1/8" above the car's deck.
 
Here is a link to a photo of the 62' 6" car from the C&O Historical Society's web site.  It shows the brake wheel in very fine detail.
 
 
Note the wheel is slightly dished, as seen here in photos 33 in the Model Railroad Hobbyist  Magazine November 2013 hand brake article by Richard Bale.
 
 
Being another one of those HO-rrible other-scale modelers, I'm sorry to say I don't know where these wheels may be available in S scale.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Busch
Duncan, SC
 
 
 
 


Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

naptownprr
 

Thanks, Tim. I'm glad you could readily cite that article. I thought it might be helpful to the fellow who inquired about what to do with that old car he found. I had considered doing something of the kind back then, but so many more accurate models have appeared in recent years that I will probably never pursue that upgrade. I agree that one must be careful about old kitbash articles, but that's how many of us started down the prototype modeling trail years ago.

Jim Hunter


Quoting "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>:

Jim --

RMJ 12/1991 pp.6-12 kitbash MDC kit to approximate T&P series
9600-9849 built 1952
w/ prototype photos TP #9699 (left side, A-end, B-end)

The MDC triple does bear a resemblance to these T&P cars. Once has to
be careful with a lot of older "kitbash" articles but this one is still
ok -- IOW there is presently no alternative short of scratchbuilding or
Shapeways to get a better HO model of this series of T&P hoppers.

Tim O'Connor


I hope someone else can help with this, but a long time ago there was
an article in Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading by Hawkins or
Hendrickson about upgrading the MDC triple hopper. I think the
prototype cited was T&P.
Jim Hunter


Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim --

RMJ 12/1991 pp.6-12 kitbash MDC kit to approximate T&P series 9600-9849 built 1952
w/ prototype photos TP #9699 (left side, A-end, B-end)

The MDC triple does bear a resemblance to these T&P cars. Once has to
be careful with a lot of older "kitbash" articles but this one is still
ok -- IOW there is presently no alternative short of scratchbuilding or
Shapeways to get a better HO model of this series of T&P hoppers.

Tim O'Connor


I hope someone else can help with this, but a long time ago there was
an article in Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading by Hawkins or
Hendrickson about upgrading the MDC triple hopper. I think the
prototype cited was T&P.
Jim Hunter


Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

naptownprr
 

I hope someone else can help with this, but a long time ago there was
an article in Rail Model Journal or Model Railroading by Hawkins or
Hendrickson about upgrading the MDC triple hopper. I think the
prototype cited was T&P.

Jim Hunter


Quoting "john.allyn@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>:

I believe that this has full ladders on both the left and right
sides.  This was apparently a die maker's error as it was noted in
product reviews at the time they came out, late 1950's.  Based on
this, I doubt that there is a specific prototype, which is a pity
since the cars were otherwise nicely done by the standards of the
time.  The ladders are cast on, which makes them difficult to remove. 
 

John B. Allyn


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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:55:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] M.D.C. Triple Hopper

 






To the Group:




I have discovered a long-buried kit of a Roundhouse straight
side,triple hopper,with 9 panels between the ribs

in the boxes under my layout. Can anyone tell me if it is accurate
for any specific prototype? Except for the lack of underbody and end
detail (and cast on hand grabs) it looks decent, although obviously
not up to today's standards.




Vince Altiere





Re: M.D.C. Triple Hopper

john.allyn@...
 

I believe that this has full ladders on both the left and right sides.  This was apparently a die maker's error as it was noted in product reviews at the time they came out, late 1950's.  Based on this, I doubt that there is a specific prototype, which is a pity since the cars were otherwise nicely done by the standards of the time.  The ladders are cast on, which makes them difficult to remove. 
 

John B. Allyn



From: "steel77086@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:55:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] M.D.C. Triple Hopper

 

To the Group:


I have discovered a long-buried kit of a Roundhouse straight side,triple hopper,with 9 panels between the ribs

in the boxes under my layout. Can anyone tell me if it is accurate for any specific prototype? Except for the lack of underbody and end detail (and cast on hand grabs) it looks decent, although obviously not up to today's standards.


Vince Altiere


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