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Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 11/11/2014 12:06 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
 


MEK is not really an adhesive, it's a solvent that helps to dissolves polystyrene.
George Bishop (Accupaint) showed me how to dissolve bits of Evergreen in a bottle of
Tenax, which produced a "liquid styrene" that could be brushed on. He created a new
nose for a model of the German ICE high speed train to represent the modification
done by Amtrak when this train was tested in the US. He just brushed it on, building
up layer after layer, and ended up with a solid polystyrene nose.

And the nice thing is that if you use leftover sprue material it will )a match the base color exactly, and b) never shrink.

Spen Kellogg


Re: NYC (MDT) Boxcars ? Lot 852-B

Tim O'Connor
 

Ralph

I have many NYC photos but I've never seen one of these. Probably looks
like other Despatch cars built before and after. In 1954 I'd guess it got
Roman lettering and used a white New York Central System emblem stencil,
and the side sheathing would be 5+8 riveted panels (i.e. like Branchine)

Tim O'Connor

Has anyone got any photos (builder's or in-service) of the 50 foot, double door boxcars
in Lot 852-B? That lot of 100 cars was built in late 1954 with Despatch end and roof stampings.
The car numbers were NYC 73900 to 73999.

Ralph Schiring - Omaha


Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

Tim O'Connor
 

MEK is not really an adhesive, it's a solvent that helps to dissolves polystyrene.
George Bishop (Accupaint) showed me how to dissolve bits of Evergreen in a bottle of
Tenax, which produced a "liquid styrene" that could be brushed on. He created a new
nose for a model of the German ICE high speed train to represent the modification
done by Amtrak when this train was tested in the US. He just brushed it on, building
up layer after layer, and ended up with a solid polystyrene nose.

Tim O'Connor

KleanStrip has discontinued it's MEK substitute and now distributes genuine MEK, so the coast is clear. For a long time, I had to buy my genuine MEK at Lowe's. No problem with paint adhesion when you're thinning with glue! :-P

Arved Grass


Re: IM 1958 coupler pocket

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Clarke,

I've built these kits too, but I also have the RTR cars so I knew which coupler they needed. All you had to do was ask.

Glad to see you at Trainfest,

Andy


IM 1958 coupler pocket

Clark Propst
 

Last week I was building an Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hopper kit I’d picked up at Naperville. I all at once I noticed there were no coupler covers. In a panic I emailed Gene Fusco at IM to see if he could bring a pair to Trainfest with him? He said they used the Kadee 78/178 coupler and half their coupler pocket. So, I emailed Sam Clarke at Kadee to make sure he’d have some with him. At Trainfest I thanked Gene for the quick response and picked up the couplers from Sam. Gene said that that car was unusual with that coupler arrangement and that he should probably mention that in the instructions...
Am I the only guy to ever build one of these kits? Or, just too stupid to figure out I needed a Kadee 178 coupler on my own?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: BX12 raised roof B end

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Scott,

I used this car as the main example in my 2010 Model Railroader article, "Build resin freight car kits," on page 50 in the February issue. As I showed there, I left the running boards and brake wheel off the model until after the roof was painted, but I did install the retainer valve and pipe before painting. I just ran the masking tape around the base of the valve, painted it black along with the roof, then repainted it Mineral Brown with a brush as I was completing the detailing.

Thanks for your kind words about my model. If you work carefully and try to be as neat as you can, you can get there too.

So long,

Andy


Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

arved_grass
 

Real MEK (as opposed to the MEK substitute formerly offered by KleanStrip at Ace and Home Depot stores) has become a go-to solvent for my paints. It works well with Star Brand, and has helped with the blushing issue, but it would be best if Star or Tru-Color didn't have any acetone to begin with.

KleanStrip has discontinued it's MEK substitute and now distributes genuine MEK, so the coast is clear. For a long time, I had to buy my genuine MEK at Lowe's. No problem with paint adhesion when you're thinning with glue! :-P
 
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida


From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Great Northern Omaha Orange

 
Arved

I can buy all of those at the local Home Depot or Sears... Someone at
the Lisle meet said that Scalecoat II uses Xylene... Anyway, I've never
tried it but some people claim Accupaint (and by extension TruColor and
Star) can be thinned with good automotive lacquer -- I used Dupont V-3608S
which is acetone, methyl alcohol, toluene, isopropyl alcohol, naptha,
and a couple of weird hydrocarbons... I routinely clean my air brush with
this stuff so it definitely doesn't "gum up" with Accupaint.

Tim O'



Arved,
They are located in California so all of your suggestions were outlawed by Prop 65 many years ago.
Tom VanWormer


Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
So if I want to get rid of the stupid hygroscopic acetone thinner used by Star and Tru-Color, I can let them evaporate and reconstitute with a thinner of my choosing? Man, that would solve so many problems...

Humidity is a PITA with hygroscopic paints. The humidity will condense in the paint, causing blushing, ruining the paint job. It my only complaint using Star and Tru-Color paints. I really wish they'd switch to Xylene, Toluene, or even MEK. But now, I guess I have an option to do it myself.
 
Arved Grass



50' Linde Cars

John Barry
 

Westerfield kit 5602 depicts a 50 foot single sheathed Linde box tank.  The previous discussions on the list that I've managed to find are all related to the more modern 40' cars based on the 37 AAR design.  My earliest ORER is 1943 and LAPX 3 (as the Westerfield photo) is not listed, and note Y on the GATX (Linde leased the LAPX cars from GATC at that time) listing refers to 40 foot cars.  

How late did these distinctive cars run?  Any photos available with modern capacity/safety data?  
 
John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

arved_grass
 

Website says they were founded in AZ, and they maintain a address at P. O. BOX 74524 PHOENIX, AZ 85087, but they do have an Orange County (CA) phone number.


I don't think the CARB limits are related to prop 65, but I left CA 20 years ago, and am not up on all the legislative insanity going on there. I thought Prop 65 had to do with labeling of (suspected) cancer causing agents. About the only good thing I can say about Acetone as a paint solvent is that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has not classified acetone for carcinogenicity.
I think the use of an Acetone based solvent goes back to the days when SMP initiated this paint line. Star and Tru-color are merely extending the legacy of an otherwise fine paint. I had the same problem with blushing when the fog would roll through the Golden Gate and get hung up in Berkeley before the fog made up it's mind to head north or south.


At least then (and there) I had the fog as a warning. Fog is rare here in the tropics. It's either humid as hell, or raining; neither of which is "painting weather." Running a dehumidifier gets the humidity down to 50% in the shop. Coalescing filters and descant driers get the compressed air suitably dry for airbrushing. I may still go for a compressed CO2 setup. Oh, but that would put a greenhouse gas back in the air. Maybe I should consider Dry Nitrogen. (GD&R)
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida


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From: "Tom VanWormer robsmom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Great Northern Omaha Orange




Arved,
They are located in California so all of your suggestions were outlawed
by Prop 65 many years ago.
Tom VanWormer


Re: X29 car owners

naptownprr
 

Okay, I'll sign my post.  I just assumed that since you can read my address, you knew it was me.  Likewise, I can tell it is you, Greg, from your address.

 

Jim Hunter


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] X29 car owners

 

Jim Hunter please sign your post.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 11/10/2014 12:11:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

The RDG did have some derived from the USRA design, but they also had a small group of X29 type.


Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

Tim O'Connor
 

Arved

I can buy all of those at the local Home Depot or Sears... Someone at
the Lisle meet said that Scalecoat II uses Xylene... Anyway, I've never
tried it but some people claim Accupaint (and by extension TruColor and
Star) can be thinned with good automotive lacquer -- I used Dupont V-3608S
which is acetone, methyl alcohol, toluene, isopropyl alcohol, naptha,
and a couple of weird hydrocarbons... I routinely clean my air brush with
this stuff so it definitely doesn't "gum up" with Accupaint.

Tim O'



Arved,
They are located in California so all of your suggestions were outlawed by Prop 65 many years ago.
Tom VanWormer


Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
So if I want to get rid of the stupid hygroscopic acetone thinner used by Star and Tru-Color, I can let them evaporate and reconstitute with a thinner of my choosing? Man, that would solve so many problems...

Humidity is a PITA with hygroscopic paints. The humidity will condense in the paint, causing blushing, ruining the paint job. It my only complaint using Star and Tru-Color paints. I really wish they'd switch to Xylene, Toluene, or even MEK. But now, I guess I have an option to do it myself.
 
Arved Grass


Bx-12 Photos

Gene Deimling
 

I just posted two model photos of my Bx-12 pilot model.  The one photo shows that the retainer is mounted high on the end.  The position was copied directly from photos supplied by the late Richard  Hendrickson.

Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills , CA


Re: X29 car owners

Greg Martin
 

Jim Hunter please sign your post.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 11/10/2014 12:11:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

The RDG did have some derived from the USRA design, but they also had a small group of X29 type.


NYC (MDT) Boxcars – Lot 852-B

rschiring@...
 

Has anyone got any photos (builder’s or in-service) of the 50 foot, double door boxcars in Lot 852-B?  That lot of 100 cars was built in late 1954 with ‘Despatch’ end and roof stampings.  The car numbers were NYC 73900 to 73999.

 

I have already checked the equipment books issued by Wayner,  Morning Sun and The Railfan Press (TRP).

 

Thanks in advance for any contributions to this effort!  Research is not easy for those outside the NYC’s old service territory.

 

Ralph Schiring - Omaha



Re: an excellent book on weathering

Rob & Bev Manley
 

I borrowed a book on British Steam Era Freight car modeling by Ian Rice. It was good to see the other side of the pond as obsessed as we are. They even have a fine scale movement there as well.

Sincerely,

Rob Manley

Midwest Mod-U-Trak

"Better modeling through personal embarassment"

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] an excellent book on weathering

 

 

David Bott wrote:



 

Thanks for the tip. I have a British book on tree making and another on scenery that have been terrific additions to my library. I have only one quibble. The freight and passenger car weathering book is out of stock today.  Hopefully it will be re-run or restocked soon.

 

      They wrote to me that the book is expected back in stock shortly, and accordingly they are taking orders on their web page. 

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 


SP tank still in action

Steve SANDIFER
 

I was surprised yesterday as I passed through Sanderson, TX, to find SP tank 62882 still in action. This riveted tank built in Dec., 1942, is now in fire service on a siding by the now UP main. It is clearly labeled "FIRE CAR" and renumbered to SPMW 6505.  Capacity 12479.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 


Re: an excellent book on weathering

Tony Thompson
 

David Bott wrote:

 
Thanks for the tip. I have a British book on tree making and another on scenery that have been terrific additions to my library. I have only one quibble. The freight and passenger car weathering book is out of stock today.  Hopefully it will be re-run or restocked soon.

      They wrote to me that the book is expected back in stock shortly, and accordingly they are taking orders on their web page. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Eastern PA 2 Rail O Scale Train Show and Swap Meet

Rich Yoder
 


 

November 15th, 2014
Eastern PA 2 Rail Scale and High Rail Train Show and Swap Meet, Strasburg PA

Come one come all to the Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale swap meet and train show November 15th, Doors open at 9:00 am. The show is over at 1:00 PM dealers will be open until 1:00 PM

High railers welcome Admission at the door is $5.00 Wives, Children, and Active Military with ID are free! Come enjoy good Lancaster County hospitality and Amish style cooking. No smoking on the premises. Visit the Strasburg Railroad, Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum, or spend a night at the Red Caboose Motel.

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA 17579

https://maps.yahoo.com/#/place/?lat=39.98177331948242&lon=-76.18562579154968&q=203%20W%20Franklin%20St.%20Strasburg%20PA%2017579&bb=39.988070283629035%2C-76.19936943054199%2C39.975492218386044%2C-76.17188215255737&addr=203%20W%20Franklin%20St%2C%20Strasburg%2C%20PA%2017579-1542

 

Dealers attending: and Table Holders are listed below

 

Dealers

Bob

Lavezzi

All About Trains (NJ) 

Jack

Mc Garry

Allegheny Scale Models  NJ

Bob

Spaulding

Altoona Model Works  PA

Joe

Foehrkolb  

Baldwin Forge MD

Bruce

Blackwood

Burretts Hobbies  MD

Tom 

Thorpe

Custom Benchwork  DE

Bob

Jones

Models CT

Dave

Vaughn

Nickel Plate Models  VA

George

Peckman 

O Scale Supermarket  NY

Brian

Scace 

O Scale TrainsMagazine  PA

Martin

Brechbiel

O Scale TrainsMagazine  PA

Bob

Buck

O/G Scale installations  PA 

Geoff

Ringle

Old Iron Designs  NJ

Ron/Ellie

Rosenberg 

Rons Books   NY

Rich

Yoder

RY Models  PA

Bob

Heil

Sunset 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot MD

Stan

Richmond 

The Car Works   NJ

Weekend Table Holders

Bruce

Aikman

Dale

Blake

Frank

Buonaluto

Roger

Carins

Bob

Glorioso

Bob

Hallinger

Jim

Hawk

Bob

Hess

John

Hutnick

Carl

Jackson

Dave

Kunkle

Tom

Mapes

John

Meharg

Roger

Pasquale

Wiliam

Pfaehler

Bill

Pierson

Wilbur

Prattis

Mike

Rahilly

Mike

Rahily

Rich

Randall

George/Patty

Repenn

Art

Selby

Tom

Shore

Greg

Stone

Richard

Yemenijian

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

7 Edgedale Court

Wyomissing PA 19610-1913

(H) 610-678-2834

(c) 484-256-4068



Re: Great Northern Omaha Orange

Tom Vanwormer
 

Arved,
They are located in California so all of your suggestions were outlawed by Prop 65 many years ago.
Tom VanWormer


Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
So if I want to get rid of the stupid hygroscopic acetone thinner used by Star and Tru-Color, I can let them evaporate and reconstitute with a thinner of my choosing? Man, that would solve so many problems...

Humidity is a PITA with hygroscopic paints. The humidity will condense in the paint, causing blushing, ruining the paint job. It my only complaint using Star and Tru-Color paints. I really wish they'd switch to Xylene, Toluene, or even MEK. But now, I guess I have an option to do it myself.
 
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida


From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Great Northern Omaha Orange

 

> I'll kindly correct you as I've been corrected in the past. While Floquil
> paints will thin with lacquer thinner, they are, in fact, enamels.

Arved

I think those definitions (lacquer/enamel) are pretty fungible.

The owner of Accupaint gave me a more useful explanation of the difference
in paints. There are basically two types of coatings in the hobby:

The first is Floquil/Scalecoat/Pollyscale/Badger/etc -- These paints polymerize
as they dry (exposed to air). Their molecules adhere to one another and form a kind
of "skin". Once this skin has formed, the paint can never revert to its original
form.

The second is Accupaint/Star/TruColor -- These paints never polymerize. The colors
are more or less deposited and adhere to whatever they are on. The molecules of color
just sit on the surface. If you dip the model in thinner, even years later, you can
recover the molecules of pigment and use them all over again, if you wanted to.
This is why Accupaint lasts forever -- The thinner (carrier) may evaporate, but if
you pour some fresh thinner in a dry bottle, the paint comes right back like new.

I haven't fully decided about Star actually -- One bottle actually turned to gel on
me, just like Scalecoat or Floquil will do if air gets into the bottle. But I've been
told it's the same as Accupaint and TruColor, and it does use the same thinner...

Tim O'




Re: an excellent book on weathering

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Thanks for the tip. I have a British book on tree making and another on scenery that have been terrific additions to my library. I have only one quibble. The freight and passenger car weathering book is out of stock today.  Hopefully it will be re-run or restocked soon.

Dave


On Nov 10, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

When I was in England in September, I discovered an exceptional book on weathering rolling stock, written by Tim Shackleton and published by Ian Allen. I have written a few comments, including photos, along with information on ordering, and posted them to my blog. If you're interested, here is a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2014/11/an-excellent-book-on-weathering.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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