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Re: {Disarmed} North American Railcar air hoses?

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

There have been a couple of threads on the MRH forums about them: 



Seems like the only real complaint I've seen is that the magnets are strong enough they might not disconnect when you uncouple the cars - resulting in a car being dragged by it's air hose. 



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:35 AM, spottab@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have experience with these flexible, magnetic air hoses?

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Seems like a trick option for those inclined to get rid of the hooks on their Kadees (or those migrating to Sergent).  Thoughts?

(apologies in advance for redundancy, but I could not find anything in past Conversations).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



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North American Railcar air hoses?

Dave Parker
 

Does anyone have experience with these flexible, magnetic air hoses?

PWRS Pacific Western Rail Systems PWRS

 

Seems like a trick option for those inclined to get rid of the hooks on their Kadees (or those migrating to Sergent).  Thoughts?

(apologies in advance for redundancy, but I could not find anything in past Conversations).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



Sale of some of Richard Hendrickson's brass frieght cars

Tony Thompson
 

Just a reminder, bids for the sale of part of Richard Hendrickson's HO scale brass freight cars are due at noon today.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

markstation01 <markstation01@...>
 

And I think a MDT milk flat with trailers would sell but I don't expect a RTR model anytime soon


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-------- Original message --------
From: "jon miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date:11/25/2014 12:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

 

On 11/25/2014 8:47 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
This brings me back to what cars a manufacturer has the best chance of selling. {hand me my crystal ball please} I feel the Milwaukee Ribside box car is one car that would sell on and on, maybe?

    Santa Fe has a couple of niche cars that might sell as well as or better than the Milwaukee.  I've always wanted a Tk-L tank with the bottom done correctly.  There are boxcars that were seen over the entire country and on all RR's.  Again maybe?

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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/25/2014 8:47 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
This brings me back to what cars a manufacturer has the best chance of selling. {hand me my crystal ball please} I feel the Milwaukee Ribside box car is one car that would sell on and on, maybe?

    Santa Fe has a couple of niche cars that might sell as well as or better than the Milwaukee.  I've always wanted a Tk-L tank with the bottom done correctly.  There are boxcars that were seen over the entire country and on all RR's.  Again maybe?

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Articles

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Loss of control is exactly right. Quite some years ago now I published two articles on the Railroad.net website about railroad work equipment. The pictures I used to illustrate the articles have since been reproduced on other sites as far away as  the Netherlands, sometimes with my permission and sometimes without, and have also appeared on the cover of a CD made for charity.
 
Normally I will grant permission when asked. The one exception was when I was asked for permission by a notorious cult to use a picture in one of their "study guides". I simply did not respond to the request. I have little doubt they used the picture anyway.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Bott dbott@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 25, 2014 9:43 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Articles

 
True, although historical societies can (and have in my case) found additional photos originally unknown to the author. It works both ways. What is important is trying and asking with open minds. I got more permissions to use photos for an article in an historical publication than I did for my web site. More people fear loss of control with info on the web versus in a formally published medium like a magazine.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
But a good modeler may not be in a position to grant you rights to publish the images he referred to.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 11/24/14, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Prototype Fidelity - Part 2 (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 9:16 PM
Guys,
 
I should also add that I want pictures of the prototype
as well.  Not just written history.  A good modeler will
be able to supply something like that, because he/she
probably uses photos as reference material when building the
model.  There have been a
few who asked whether we have a library of photos.  We
don't.  I'm not sitting in the middle of an archive
when editing; I'm at home sitting with my own PC.
 
Jim Hunter
 




Re: Stock car question

Jared Harper
 

Ditto from me.  I have two to sell also.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


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If any of you wish to build the car, I have a CV kit with the NP resin ends
available - OFF LINE. I think I have ends for another car as well.



__________________________________________________

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Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society



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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stock car question





Thank you, Steve. That's a nice comparison photo. Very helpful.



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Sergent Couplers on new Tangent Chemical Tank Car

twinstarcars
 

I wanted to sound off on the challenge of putting Sergent couplers on the AWESOME new Tangent cars.

I started by thinking it was like any other. Nope! The coupler box cover has a frame that the coupler shank fits through and the Kadee whisker couplers don't just come out. I found that a very smooth bourbon helped steady my hands and I used a method of holding my tongue just right. 

After removing the Kadee coupler I found a way to prop up the car at an angle.  i had to thin the coupler shank somthe coupler can piviot.  Next I positioned the spring against the center post in the coupler box. Then I put the coupler through the frame on the coupler cover and held the cover and shank so there was an angle and the ability to see the hole in the shank. I set the coupler so that the narrow area toward the knuckle engaged the spring, then gently push to compress the spring and engage the round opening of the shank on the pin in the coupler box. Finally the coupler cover can be snapped on. 

It all sounds easy but patience was critical. I didn't launch any springs and the couplers make the car look even more accurate!

Thanks,

Ross Dando


Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Clark Propst
 

If we look at Tangent and ExactRail’s latest offerings for this group’s era I feel they are very much niche models. An acid tank car and a UP GSC flat. A longer car is now available and I guess a bulkhead version is in the works.
 
I have a friend that collects. Meaning he buys RTR stuff and has no layout to run them on. He will buy better versions of cars he already has when they hit the market, then sells off the ‘obsolete’ models. Thus keeping his inventory up to date.
 
I recently built a small switching layout based on an industry located on the Milwaukee here. I wanted my roster to be heavy with ribsided box cars. I was able to fill out the roster in minimal time do to great pickings at the trains shows this fall. I ended up with mostly Rib Side Cars models with one Intermountain and one ExactRail. I prefer the looks of the IM and ER cars, but, especially, the ER cars are hard to find. [The the one I bought had the wrong door]
 
This brings me back to what cars a manufacturer has the best chance of selling. {hand me my crystal ball please} I feel the Milwaukee Ribside box car is one car that would sell on and on, maybe? I passed on the acid car and was thankful it wasn’t a radial course GATC tank car because I still have a SC&F model to build. After it’s done, bring on the plastic model :  )) I would buy a few and I think they would sell on and on also. I’m also looking forward to the ER bulkhead flat. I would buy one of those. Hey, one’s all I need!
 
The bulkhead flat has been made by Walthers in the past. I’m sure my friend will update his models. If I had any Walthers car would I update? It depends. Only needing one, sure. I have a half dozen 1958 Bowser covered hoppers. When IM came out with their version of the car in my road’s lettering did I replace them? No. Half my models have had the hatches re-arranged and I didn’t want to go through that again. Now that I’ve checked out the IM cars against the newer RP Cycs I’m glad I didn’t, because I’d end up replacing the entire roof.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Prototype fidelity

Clark Propst
 

One last email...
I was talking to a fella on the phone yesterday that has been involved with society model projects. He said their most successful model might have been the one developed by Gene Green. Mainly because it crossed over to the modeling community as a whole rather than to just the guys within the society that would buy a block of wood with the railroad’s logo stamped on it. His words not mine.
 
Not sure if I was mistaken in my original remarks or not, but to clarify. I was not bashing Accurail. If a society has their heart set on a PS1 than they should probably look elsewhere. (unless they want one with an 8’ Youngstown door) If they like working with Accurail they should choose paint scheme that more closely matches something from their catalog.
 
I’m done now  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Articles

A&Y Dave in MD
 

True, although historical societies can (and have in my case) found additional photos originally unknown to the author. It works both ways. What is important is trying and asking with open minds. I got more permissions to use photos for an article in an historical publication than I did for my web site. More people fear loss of control with info on the web versus in a formally published medium like a magazine.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

But a good modeler may not be in a position to grant you rights to publish the images he referred to.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 11/24/14, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Prototype Fidelity - Part 2 (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 9:16 PM
Guys,
 
I should also add that I want pictures of the prototype
as well.  Not just written history.  A good modeler will
be able to supply something like that, because he/she
probably uses photos as reference material when building the
model.  There have been a
few who asked whether we have a library of photos.  We
don't.  I'm not sitting in the middle of an archive
when editing; I'm at home sitting with my own PC.
 
Jim Hunter
 




Articles

arved_grass
 

But a good modeler may not be in a position to grant you rights to publish the images he referred to.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 11/24/14, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Prototype Fidelity - Part 2 (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 9:16 PM
Guys,
 
I should also add that I want pictures of the prototype
as well.  Not just written history.  A good modeler will
be able to supply something like that, because he/she
probably uses photos as reference material when building the
model.  There have been a
few who asked whether we have a library of photos.  We
don't.  I'm not sitting in the middle of an archive
when editing; I'm at home sitting with my own PC.
 
Jim Hunter


Re: SP F-70-7 Flat with 22" PMT Trailers

arved_grass
 

Wouldn't something like Cyanopoxy or one of Microscale's Micro Bond products work as well? I hate cleaning plastic off my soldering tips.

So, for clarification - the F-70-7 flats come with the proper trucks, just that their design (sideframe pivots at the bolster) results in less than stellar tracking.

So while I have your attention on this matter, what are the appropriate Reboxx wheels for this truck?

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 11/24/14, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP F-70-7 Flat with 22" PMT Trailers
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 7:04 PM


 









I may
have mentioned this before, but the current owner of this
tooling for the truck is Jimmy Booth. He recommends using a
pencil tip soldering iron to fuse the bolster to the
sideframes. If you have the assembled truck on a fat surface
plate, then the fused truck will be in good alignment, and
the criticisms of poor tracking is addressed. As always,
start easy, and then progress more aggressively, as Celcon
plastic can disappear like a magician's magic paper when
overheated.-Andy
CarlsonOjai
CA


From:
"Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
<STMFC@...>
To:
STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, November
24, 2014
3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP
F-70-7 Flat with 22" PMT Trailers



 









Tim O'Connor wrote:















 



George and Tony --
Red Caboose tooled the correct 70 ton Barber trucks
for

these cars. I'm guessing the SPH&TS didn't
acquire the truck tooling
along with

the flat car?
     
You are entirely right, Tim, that the kit trucks are the
correct 70-ton Barbers. I assumed he wanted to change them
out. I am personally not enamored with the operation of the
Red Caboose truck design, so could understand that thought.
To my knowledge, the SPH&TS has not contemplated
separate sale of trucks, but Dan Smith still has them for
sale.


Tony Thompson          
  Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA
94705         www.signaturepress.com(510) 540-6538; fax, (510)
540-1937; e-mail, tony@... of books on railroad
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Re: SP F-70-7 Flat with 22" PMT Trailers

arved_grass
 

The trucks are no longer in production?

OMG! "I better get them before the hoarders grab them all." (paraphrasing Dave Hussey)

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 11/24/14, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP F-70-7 Flat with 22" PMT Trailers
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Cc: "Dan Smith" <espeefan@...>
Date: Monday, November 24, 2014, 6:49 PM


 









Or, if
you want the HO specifically designed truck which came with
these kits the first couple of years after the release from
red Caboose (The original company offering these flats), go
to Dan Smith as he has several dozen of these trucks left.
They have the correct spring pack. I am sending a CC to Dan,
so expect him to contact you.-Andy
CarlsonOjai
CA

From: "Tony
Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
<STMFC@...>


 









George
Toman wrote:















 



Hello group, I
purchased a SP F-70-7 Flat and the 22Foot PMT Trailers from
the SPH&TS. Looks like nice kits, but I would like to
improve the detail. I was wondering if someone could tell me
the type of trucks these used (I think the included ones in
the kit are 50 ton AAR) and if any online photos are
available. Looking for both the Flat and Trailers Photos. 
I was thinking that the Tahoe Double Truss AAR 50 Ton Part
#TMW-107 might be what I
need.
     George, the cars were delivered
with Barber S-2-A0 trucks, built under license by three
manufacturers (Scullin, Buckeye and Symington) and were of
course 70-ton trucks, as indicated by the class number,
F-70-7. I am not aware of any 70-ton Barber trucks out there
in HO scale, so you have two choices. The Tahoe 113 (or 213)
Barber S2 trucks, though of 50-ton capacity, would at least
have the right overall look. Most 70-ton trucks, though,
are visibly bigger, especially with bigger journal boxes in
most cases, and Tahoe does make a very nice 70-ton truck,
the ASF A-3 (TMW 110 or 210), a truck SP used on many of its
cars and might well have used to replace a damaged S2 truck.
That would be your call.





























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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Prototype Fidelity - Part 2 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Dave;

RE: "starts out with a brief history of the prototype so modelers can get their bearings on the particular prototype. Key features of the prototype, improvements over previous cars of similar types, dates and fleet size, and other historical information so a modeler could assess the need for making a comparable model."

These were all things we talked about beforehand. Some are features of talks I admired from RPMs, others were things we just considered important. Fleet size by date was for those that were constantly asking, "how do I know if I need that car? How important (numerous) a car was it?"

Very useful information, and not being a contributor to TKM, it would be interesting to know who did that part of the research and writing - the modeler, or the editorial staff. Perhaps Bruce, Ben or Elden (all significant contributors to the TKM), could chime in.
As Jim stated, we mostly do our own research, but rely on the editors to review, and conceivably correct inaccuracies. There have been cases where I did the prototype research for someone who had zero interest.

And was the process easier because it was being accomplished using the resources of a historical society, or was it more the case where the historical society was providing more of an " ;incubator" environment for the editorial/publication team?
Like Jim also said, we don't have a big pile of research/photos to share out to potential authors. But, we also dig on our own to find things that are pertinent.

Description of this process may help others assess the viability to other societies (although Bruce and Elden have offered to provide advice off line.)
I would also note that many of the articles would quickly summarize the models available at the time the article was written, which would help future modelers quickly assess if a newer product was not included because it was released after the article.

We have tried to do exactly that, by stating what the basis for the build was; an example is the modeling of the X29B, which went from Sunshine kit based on the C&BT kit (Uni-body?), then another article on the kit-bash from a Branchline Blueprint car, then finally an F&C resin kit. It is important that folks know what their options are...

I am still waiting to see what the results are going to be on the "Challenge" Box Car, a very old X29B in Merchandise Service P&L. I am very open to having a discussion with whoever is brave enough to take this one on. Anyone up to the challenge should ask me to send a photo off-line!

Elden Gatwood




---In STMFC@..., <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote :


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Folks;

A very challenging thread...

I would add that, having feet on both sides (prototype pubs and modeling pubs), there was a lot of thought that went into the decision on The Keystone and (versus) TKM. I think it paid off rather well.

Many PRRT&HS members were anxious about putting modeling info into the Key, and while I cared at the time, I no longer care. TKM proved to be a good forum. But it didn't just happen.

When Al asked me what I wanted from the Society, and I told him, "a digital modeling magazine", there was an even larger dialog going on, on how we could get info on the PRR "out there". We all recognized that the problem wasn't just the problem with putting it into the Key, it was also a problem with every other existing printed publication:

1) Limited text;

2) Limited room for the prototype context;

3) and especially, limited space for photos, particularly color photos.

4) Crappy editing.

Digital magazines have room for ALL of 1 through 3, and you can always come back and update it with new techniques, new models, etc.

The real issue, however, in standing all this up is that SOMEONE has to want it, and then make it happen. I have been lucky to be part of a core group in the PRRT&HS that WANTS it bad enough to populate it.

For those that are interested in doing something like this for their HS, feel free to ask us for some help. We'd be happy to tell you what worked, and we can even give you an article format, if you like.

Elden Gatwood







Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Prototype fidelity

Ian Cranstone
 

Before this thread is completely closed, I'll put on my hat as a director in the Canadian National Railway Historical Association (formerly the CN SIG) and offer a few thoughts about our experience.

One of the challenges that CNR modellers faced was that Canadian railways tended to buy equipment that was unique to Canada.  Even the standard 40' boxcar had unusual ladders, and one manufacturer (National Steel Car) that had its own unique ends. Until recent years, most model prototypes were of American origin, which were not generally found on Canadian roads.  The manufacturers have generally been quite happy to put Canadian schemes on their cars, whether appropriate or not.  As a result, we weren't even tempted.  This has changed in a big way, with the change in manufacturing favouring more and more specific prototypes.

Our general approach has been to provide information in an effort to encourage manufacturers to offer CN-related products.  In fact, if a manufacturer expresses interest in a product, the SIG prefers to get out of their way, so we can find something else that we think should be done (this has already happened a number of times with book projects).  Over the years we have been very successful in this regard — Rapido and True Line Trains have been the most prolific in terms of offering CN-related product -- thanks largely to the efforts of Stafford Swain, a number of resin models and parts were also offered -- from Sylvan and Westerfield amongst others.

We (OK, again Stafford) have generated paint chips of the standard CN colours, which have been provided to manufacturers. Fonts have been generated from CN drawings, and also offered to decal and model manufacturers for a token dollar (and we often didn't bother to collect the dollar).  In fact, some of these fonts have been available for years on the CNRHA website.

There were however, a number of cases where manufacturers were not interested for one reason or another.  The CN Scalecoat paint line was generated when paint manufacturers declined to offer colours based upon Stafford's colour study -- fortunately, since then, some of the non-solvent based suppliers have started to stock some of the major colours, with most subsequently made available by True Line Trains.  This is a good thing, as the SIG has been experiencing increasing problems with importing solvent-based paints -- our government has decided that we must conform with increasingly strict rules, that are very different than the U.S.  And don't ask us about the problems we're experiencing in shipping paint (both importing, and then to the customers).

Some years back Stafford explored the option of commissioning a resin model of the unique CN F9B -- I remember viewing a lovely test casting.  Ultimately this model never reached the market, due to the interest of Rapido, who has subsequently offered a stellar model of CN F9B's (not to mention FP9A's).  As far as I know, this was the only time we actually thought about offering an actual model commissioned by the SIG.

Al Lill, longtime editor of CN Lines, played point on a truly amazing CN passenger car decal set, which Microscale declined to add to their line, but happily contract-printed for the SIG.  There were a number of other decals generated for the SIG as well over the years, most of which have subsequently been transferred to Black Cat decals.

For us the answer has always to be as accurate, probably because most of the editorial/association board are modellers as much as historians.


Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada



Re: New TOFC Items

Greg Martin
 

Tim  writes in part in a response to a post by Bill Welch:

But improvements to the PRR F39 (75' TOFC flat) are very welcome and long overdue.

Tim O'Connor"
 
Metal underframe on the F39 is a nice improvement; however a real improvement to make the car worthy would be the correct 12-inch side sill, that is the biggest error on the car. Look for my article coming in TKM for the real "improved version".
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: Prototype fidelity

Robert kirkham
 

I’m more of the point of view that societies should go for accurate or not bother with realistic paint and lettering.  
 
On the topic of relying on societies, I am with others who do.  I don’t have the breadth of knowledge to chase every prototype, but when I see an offering by a society I am more willing to ante up.  In the hobby shop I’m often scuppered by foobie paint schemes (to the point of walking out empty handed), so any help is appreciated. 
 
In fact, it occurs to me in this era of advance orders and limited production runs that the best way to gather crowds around specific models is for societies (or others with credibility for seriousness and accuracy) to do the research, get the community interested and on board, and then bring that to the manufacturer.   Societies wanting to make $$ should try that out – it is more likely I’ll purchase a model for a road I know little about where the research is already done and presented with the model.  Otherwise I stick to the little I know, and broaden my purchases very slowly.
 
But I’ve no problem if a society fundraiser does a foobie so long as they put a great big “2014 fund raiser” on the side – that tells me enough.   (sort of like NMRA national meet cars)   And frankly if they stuck to Athearn blue box, I’d feel the same.   To me I think the issue partly arises from the fact that Accurail car bodies look like the real thing, so make the potential for mistakes real.   
 
Rob Kirkham


Re: Prototype fidelity

Douglas Harding
 

Noel it came through with your signature in my inbox.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Prototype fidelity

Noel Widdifield
 

That wasn't how I signed it, but not sure what happened.
Noel Widdifield
NYCSHS Director

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