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Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Armand Premo
 

Tim,I was actually referring to the earlier wooden cars.Armand Premo

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Armand, I think those were the same as MDT or NYRX cars. The NYRX P-S built insulated box cars
can be kitbashed from PS-1 kits and the Athearn NACC PS overhanging roof.

Tim


Tim,What about an ERDX? Armand Premo


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Tim O'Connor
 


Armand, I think those were the same as MDT or NYRX cars. The NYRX P-S built insulated box cars
can be kitbashed from PS-1 kits and the Athearn NACC PS overhanging roof.

Tim


Tim,What about an ERDX? Armand Premo


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Tim O'Connor
 


Dick Harley pointed out to me that the Trix reefer is an R-40-14, but
something must be done about the roof. (Specifically, the hatches.)

Dick also wrote:

   The door height of the R-40-14 was 7'-0" (same as the R-40-10);
   the R-40-20 door height was 7'-2" and the R-40-23 was 7'-6".

So the easiest way to get an R-40-14 would seem to be a new end on the
Intermountain R-40-10. The R-40-20 is a real problem.

Tim O'Connor



I can't quite agree. We are missing the 1000 members of the R-40-14 class.

      And the equally 1000-car Class R-40-20.

Does this mean I'm  willing to provide the $$ to do the tooling and/or commit $$ to buy 500 cars...probably not. Would be nice to have a few, however.

It only takes a W-corner post end on the R-40-10. Maybe we can find the bux to make that one part. OTOH, I already kitbashed same with the ends which Richard made to do this task. AFAIK Jon Cagle now has the molds; if he does not, Greg Martin does. We can always make resin ones. This kitbash was originally intended to be done with Athearn steel refrigerator car bodies, which is what I did, to use Richard's ends.

My posts about doing this with Athearn reefer bodies are here:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/upgrading-old-models-athearn-reefers.html
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/upgrading-old-models-athearn-reefers.html
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/upgrading-old-models-athearn-reefers_9.html

Tony Thompson  


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Armand Premo
 

Tim,What about an ERDX? Armand Premo

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The PFE market is saturated?

 

Mike

I don't have Stan's list of kits -- does he make a -14 end ?

Or would one of the old Details West ends (made for the Athearn R-40-23)
do the job?

"Saturation" by the way does not imply "complete". I once sat down and
calculated that over 90% of the ice reefer fleet from 1940 onwards can
be easily modeled in HO scale using the numerous available kits in resin
and plastic -- not to mention many wonderful decal sets. I don't think
there are many other large freight car fleets that are so well represented
as PFE. Some others are very under-represented, especially MDT!

Tim

>Tony Thompson writes regarding a PFE R-40-14:
>
>"It only takes a W-corner post end on the R-40-10. Maybe we can find the bux
>to make that one part. OTOH, I already kitbashed same with the ends which
>Richard made to do this task. AFAIK Jon Cagle now has the molds; if he does
>not, Greg Martin does. We can always make resin ones."
>
>Food for discussion during Prototype Rails 2015 in Jan.
>
>Mike Brock


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

I don't have Stan's list of kits -- does he make a -14 end ?

Or would one of the old Details West ends (made for the Athearn R-40-23)
do the job?

"Saturation" by the way does not imply "complete". I once sat down and
calculated that over 90% of the ice reefer fleet from 1940 onwards can
be easily modeled in HO scale using the numerous available kits in resin
and plastic -- not to mention many wonderful decal sets. I don't think
there are many other large freight car fleets that are so well represented
as PFE. Some others are very under-represented, especially MDT!

Tim

Tony Thompson writes regarding a PFE R-40-14:

"It only takes a W-corner post end on the R-40-10. Maybe we can find the bux
to make that one part. OTOH, I already kitbashed same with the ends which
Richard made to do this task. AFAIK Jon Cagle now has the molds; if he does
not, Greg Martin does. We can always make resin ones."

Food for discussion during Prototype Rails 2015 in Jan.

Mike Brock


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Mikebrock
 

Tony Thompson writes regarding a PFE R-40-14:

"It only takes a W-corner post end on the R-40-10. Maybe we can find the bux to make that one part. OTOH, I already kitbashed same with the ends which Richard made to do this task. AFAIK Jon Cagle now has the molds; if he does not, Greg Martin does. We can always make resin ones."

Food for discussion during Prototype Rails 2015 in Jan.

Mike Brock


Re: The PFE market is saturated?

Tony Thompson
 

Mike Brock wrote:

 

I can't quite agree. We are missing the 1000 members of the R-40-14 class.


      And the equally 1000-car Class R-40-20.

Does this mean I'm  willing to provide the $$ to do the tooling and/or commit $$ to buy 500 cars...probably not. Would be nice to have a few, however.

       It only takes a W-corner post end on the R-40-10. Maybe we can find the bux to make that one part. OTOH, I already kitbashed same with the ends which Richard made to do this task. AFAIK Jon Cagle now has the molds; if he does not, Greg Martin does. We can always make resin ones. This kitbash was originally intended to be done with Athearn steel refrigerator car bodies, which is what I did, to use Richard's ends.
        My posts about doing this with Athearn reefer bodies are here:





Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: SOU PS-5 gon

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

Sorry, you are correct. You have been in and out of producing HO model kits so many times I forget.


Re: FRISCO Herald Help Needed

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

Bill 

The company was run as a trusteeship between 1933 -1946 with new management led by Hungerford taking over in Jan 1947, but suspect that the paint shops might have taken a little while to adjust to the new regime.

Aidrian



To: STMFC@...
From: STMFC@...
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:53:38 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] FRISCO Herald Help Needed

 
I am not sure if the SL-SF "Koonskin" is considered a Herald or Badge or whatever but one of the photos  I have for the article I am writing on their 50-footers has "Lines" under "SL-SF" while another photo does not. I would like to mention when the change was made and the "Lines" dropped. Can someone help me please?



The PFE market is saturated?

Mikebrock
 

Tim O'Connor weites:

"The only numerous PFE ice reefers missing are the later ones -- 26/27/28/30. But Stan
has those available in resin. IMO the PFE ice reefer market is saturated."

I can't quite agree. We are missing the 1000 members of the R-40-14 class. The R-40-23 class is apparently the largest class with 5000 cars. The R-40-10 has 4700. The R-40-14 has 1000 cars, about a fifth of either 10 or 23 class. Is this a numerous class? Good question but to have several reefer blocks running with no R-40-14's in sight? Not good. Does this mean I'm willing to provide the $$ to do the tooling and/or commit $$ to buy 500 cars...probably not. Would be nice to have a few, however.

Mike Brock


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Tim O'Connor
 


Brian I can tell you there's a boatload of HO envy when it comes to the Trainworx
drop-frame piggyback trailers!!

Tim O'Connor


There has been quite a few decent cars come out in N .... Trainworx ...
Brian R. Termunde


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Brian Termunde
 

A lot in HO yes, and even more in N Scale too!

There has been quite a few decent cars come out in N, Atlas, Bluford Shops, Eastern Seaboard, ExactRail, Fox Valley, InterMountain, MicroTrains, Red Caboose, Trainworx, and I should also include American Model Builders, and I'm sure I'm missing some, but not deliberately. I'm not ungrateful for their offerings, and I do try to support them (it's hard with ExactRail as their cars are great, but for some reason, I can't seem to figure out what their products are, none of them are in my latest ORER (I'm modeling 1953) ; >) If we N Scalers could only get half of what you HO scale folks have, it'd be amazing! Yes, I know we have some stuff that you HOer's envy, but it would be nice for both of our wish lists to filled.

So hats off to our N Scale manufacturers, but please keep the good stuff coming!


Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT
 
"My Train of Thought left the station without me!"

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1b. Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity
    Posted by: "Pierre Oliver" pierre.oliver@... pierreoliver2003
    Date: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:58 am ((PST))

Tim,
 From where I sit, there are plenty of prototype cars that have yet to be /accurately/ modeled in HO scale.



Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Clark Propst
 

Years ago I wound electric motors. My fingers work like a machine  ;  )) ...Arthritis says different...
 
Seriously, I’m thankful for being able to do just what I wanted this past year. I didn’t get to a couple home improvement projects I was planning on doing because of modeling projects having priority. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Tim O'Connor
 

Arved

Those are excellent models too, but not in the same category. The R-70-20
has many etched metal details and brake rigging with wire instead of plastic.
If you haven't seen one, you ought to get a close look at it.

Tim O'Connor

The R-70-20 might be too new for this bunch, but the IM R-40-10 and R-40-23 are, IMHO, just as good. And I'm sure there are more, but I just haven't gotten around to them yet.

Arved Grass


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

arved_grass
 

The R-70-20 might be too new for this bunch, but the IM R-40-10 and R-40-23 are, IMHO, just as good. And I'm sure there are more, but I just haven't gotten around to them yet.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 11/26/14, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 2:33 PM


Jon


I agree, some Intermountain models are exceptional, without
peer.
The

PFE R-70-20 is an example, although it is too modern for
this group.
And

I second that emotion for the Caswell gon. Of course I think
all of
us

would agree the ACF 1958 and the AMC hopper would fit into
this
category.


Tim O'Connor


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Tony Thompson
 

Arved Grass wrote:

IIRC, Owl Mountain Models has announced an SP 40' Flat. It's not currently on their web site (no future announcements are, anymore) due to the site having been hacked.
Tony (Thompson) - can you corroborate?


        Several people over the years have "contemplated" the Harriman flat car (including Al Westerfield and Martin Lofton). As we all know, nothing came of it. There are other resin folks "contemplating" it today, but whether anything will materialize remains to be seen. And no, I am not in a position to divulge any names at this point.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

arved_grass
 

IIRC, Owl Mountain Models has announced an SP 40' Flat. It's not currently on their web site (no future announcements are, anymore) due to the site having been hacked.

Tony (Thompson) - can you corroborate?

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 11/26/14, ceth512@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2014, 12:03 PM


 









I'm glad someone spoke up about an
accurate SP 40 fr. flat car.  I have bugged several people
about this and really get no answers.  ( flats don't
sell, etc. etc.)   I personally need at least15 or more
good Harriman flats.  At one time the SP society was
suppose to be considering one but it has dropped out of
sight. Whats the feeling out there? Charles
EtheredgeTNO- 1948


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <atsfus@...> wrote :


"Frank I'm pretty sure is working with Tom M (maybe not, just don't know).  The newer designed resin kits are almost like styrene kits, easy to assemble.  Only difference is you need ACC instead of MEK.  Frank's site says he wants to sell kits that people actually build instead of putting in the closet.  This is the next step up for resin..."

The "next step up" for resin is pre-decorated one piece bodies. I contemplated doing this with my old Soo Line boxcar kit when the SLH&TS acquired the rights, but stopped when I realized that pad printing was simply not going to squish the lettering in between the posts and braces where needed. The first problem was the monogram, which is a very tight fit between the post over the bolster and the ladder stile. OK, so give the folks a decal for the monogram. The next problem was the car number; there is always a digit in the tight space between a post and brace. At this point, I gave up, and just let Ted do the re-release.

But it should be possible on other selected prototypes.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Up dating a roster was: Prototype fidelity

jorgec@...
 

Garth Groff wrote:

"
I like the idea of a UTLX X-3, but would also love plastic kit or RTR
for an early ACF type 7 or 11...
As for one-offs, how about Harriman flat cars such as SP F-40-2 (fishbelly) or F-40-4 (straight sills)? ...I would like to have an SP F-50-16 40' flat car."


I agree with Garth.  Would love all of these.

George Corral


a brief history of chickens

Tim O'Connor
 

yes there is some STMFC content !

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/opinion/how-the-chicken-built-america.html

Happy Thanksgiving

Tim O'Connor

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