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SHAKE N TAKE Sign up sheet ~ FULL ~ First Alternate List

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
Here is the roster of those that made the sign up for 2015 SHAKE N TAKE presentation. Remember this list is for those that intend to make the event and are willing to build the model. If for any reason things change and you wish to deleted form this list email me separately. If you want to be considered as an alternate email me directly.
 
  1. Craig Zeni
  2. Scott Dam
  3. John Greedy
  4. Richard Berry
  5. John Cantlay
  6. Gene Semon
  7. Ted Culotta
  8. Al Brown
  9. Ross Dando
  10. Paul Bizier
  11. Schuyler Larrabee
  12. Mark Morgan
  13. Arved Grass
  14. George Corral
  15. Gary Laakso
  16. Armend Premo
  17. Mike Brock
  18. Steve Orth
  19. Andy Carlson
  20. John Barry
  21. Tony Thompson
  22. Larry Sexton
I will now entertain the list for...
 
First Alternate:
 
  1. Dave Sieber
  2. Bill Welch
  3. Tom Dill
  4. Roger Hinman
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: T&NO box car 55505 & C&BT Shops kit HO-1301

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Gene,

You bought a pig in a poke. Like nearly all SP-family cars of this time, these were 10' IH. The C&BT shops 12-panel cars are 10' 6". These kits are generally correct for ATSF (with a Duryea underfame) and Rock Island, but I don't know of others (D&RGW 12-panel cars were 10' 4" IH with solid side sills and  Duryea underframes, so you could do one of these with a bit of fudging). Yes C&BT shops detail parts are pretty dodgy, but you can usually substitute Intermountain parts.

Intermountain offers/offered a more or less correct SP 12-panel 10' IH boxcar with 4/5 ends. I don't know if it was ever lettered in T&NO. I have one, but it is no longer in the original box, so I can't tell you what the stock number was. Intermountain also made 10' 3/4 IDE ends (with a very small rib at the top) which could be substituted for the kit ends to do what you want. I have a pair of these and planned to use them on a 10-panel kit 40798. Someday.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 11/30/14 11:13 AM, genegreen1942@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

On January 7, 1950, T&NO box car 55505 was southbound (timetable east) on the M&StL near Searsboro, Iowa, loaded with corn.   

If my information is correct, this car was part of Class B-50-25, series 54850-55199, built August 1946, Pullman-Standard lot 5838.  Further notes indicate 12-panel sides, rectangular panel roof, "interim" Youngstown doors, 3/4 IDE ends, 8-rung ladders, ASF A-3 trucks.

I recently bought a C&BT Shops HO-1301 kit for T&NO 54861 which I hope to use as a stand-in.  If the information cited above is correct then there are a couple of problems.  The ends, doors and roof are correct or at least close.  The sides are 10-panel and the ladders have seven rungs.

Some questions.

Are my notes correct for T&NO 55505 and stand-in 54861?

What is the correct hand brake?

Will the Detail Associates 6241 ladders come reasonably close to fitting the C&BT car?

The parts sprues with the C&BT Shops kit seem awfully brittle.  Is that typical?

The underframe/cast-in-one-lump foundation brake rigging and AB brake compontents is simply hopeless and will need a complete rebuilding.  Would the cross-bearers have had the 1937 or 1944 profile?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice anyone can offer.

Gene Green




Re: consider the lovely mail and express train shown here

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote :

Claus Schlund wrote:
"Agreed, but I'm still working on figuring out which holiday rush might have occured on August 21, 1937, the date of the photo."

Doesn't have to be during the holidays - this could happen any time the railroad was short express cars, or if the cargo was time-sensitive enough to warrant inclusion in a mail/express train.

Ben Hom

===============

Yeah, the August date of the photo proves one thing... the passenger car at the end does not need steam, so no reason to require a continuous steam line. If this would have been Christmastime, we could try to determine if the rider coach had either Baker heaters or coal stoves, otherwise the intermediate cars would have to be steam line equipped. Summertime, mox nix.

Dennis


Re: T&NO box car 55505 & C&BT Shops kit HO-1301

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Gene

I think the car is the later series: T&NO 55200~55699, built in 1947.

Did you see the photo of earlier 1946-built T&NO 55150 on p297 of Tony Thompson's
Southern Pacific Freight Cars Vol 4 - Box Cars ?
Table 12-3 seems to imply Equipco (Uarco) handbrakes for the 55200~55699 series...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 08:13 AM 11/30/2014, genegreen1942@... [STMFC] wrote:
On January 7, 1950, T&NO box car 55505 was southbound (timetable east) on the M&StL near Searsboro, Iowa, loaded with corn.

If my information is correct, this car was part of Class B-50-25, series 54850-55199, built August 1946, Pullman-Standard lot 5838. Further notes indicate 12-panel sides, rectangular panel roof, "interim" Youngstown doors, 3/4 IDE ends, 8-rung ladders, ASF A-3 trucks.

I recently bought a C&BT Shops HO-1301 kit for T&NO 54861 which I hope to use as a stand-in. If the information cited above is correct then there are a couple of problems. The ends, doors and roof are correct or at least close. The sides are 10-panel and the ladders have seven rungs.

Some questions.

Are my notes correct for T&NO 55505 and stand-in 54861?

What is the correct hand brake?

Will the Detail Associates 6241 ladders come reasonably close to fitting the C&BT car?

The parts sprues with the C&BT Shops kit seem awfully brittle. Is that typical?

The underframe/cast-in-one-lump foundation brake rigging and AB brake compontents is simply hopeless and will need a complete rebuilding. Would the cross-bearers have had the 1937 or 1944 profile?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice anyone can offer.


Contact Jared Harper

genegreen1942@...
 

Could Jared Harper please contact Gene Green off-list at genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com?  Thanks.

Gene Green


T&NO box car 55505 & C&BT Shops kit HO-1301

genegreen1942@...
 

On January 7, 1950, T&NO box car 55505 was southbound (timetable east) on the M&StL near Searsboro, Iowa, loaded with corn.   

If my information is correct, this car was part of Class B-50-25, series 54850-55199, built August 1946, Pullman-Standard lot 5838.  Further notes indicate 12-panel sides, rectangular panel roof, "interim" Youngstown doors, 3/4 IDE ends, 8-rung ladders, ASF A-3 trucks.

I recently bought a C&BT Shops HO-1301 kit for T&NO 54861 which I hope to use as a stand-in.  If the information cited above is correct then there are a couple of problems.  The ends, doors and roof are correct or at least close.  The sides are 10-panel and the ladders have seven rungs.

Some questions.

Are my notes correct for T&NO 55505 and stand-in 54861?

What is the correct hand brake?

Will the Detail Associates 6241 ladders come reasonably close to fitting the C&BT car?

The parts sprues with the C&BT Shops kit seem awfully brittle.  Is that typical?

The underframe/cast-in-one-lump foundation brake rigging and AB brake compontents is simply hopeless and will need a complete rebuilding.  Would the cross-bearers have had the 1937 or 1944 profile?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice anyone can offer.

Gene Green



SHAKE N TAKE Scope of Project

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have not yet found an on-line source for a picture of the subject Rock Island car. Can someone post a link?

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Choice of doors for NKP 1937 boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 


On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:29 AM, 'Alex Schneider' aschneiderjr@... [STMFC] wrote:

I am assembling an IMWX 1937 box car lettered for NKP 15362. The kit includes both Superior and Youngstown doors (in other words, ribbed and flat panel). I would appreciate any information documenting which door design is appropriate for these cars.


Alex,
NKP 15000-15499 were 500 cars built by General American Transportation Corp. in Aug. to Oct. 1936. They came with Youngstown doors. 

The cars also had square-corner Dreadnaught ends, Viking roofs, Ajax hand brakes, wood running boards, 8-rung side & end ladders, and double truss trucks with chilled (cast iron) wheels. 

A GATC builder photo of NKP 15000 was published in the Car Builders' Cyclopedia (1937 p. 128, and 1940 p. 131). Two published in-service photos are NKP 15380 taken in March 1956 (May 1993 Mainline Modeler on p. 40) and NKP 15330 in the Wabash-NKP-DT&I Color Guide on p. 64. The 15330 was taken in April 1962 and shows a replacement Improved Youngstown door. 

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: consider the lovely mail and express train shown here

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"Agreed, but I'm still working on figuring out which holiday rush might have occured on August 21, 1937, the date of the photo."

Doesn't have to be during the holidays - this could happen any time the railroad was short express cars, or if the cargo was time-sensitive enough to warrant inclusion in a mail/express train.




Ben Hom


Re: Choice of doors for NKP 1937 boxcar

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Alex--At Steam Era Freight Cars - 1937 AAR Box Cars - As Built

NKP 15362 as built by GATC in 8/1936 was part of the 15000-15499 series with Ajax brake wheel and wood running board. It also had square corners and a Viking roof. Cars in this file have the doors cited in the notes column whenever Superior doors are installed. Lacking any note, by default cars in this NKP series had Younstown doors when built.


We are much in debt to Ed Hawkins for compiling that info.


Steve Hoxie

Pensacola FL


Re: Choice of doors for NKP 1937 boxcar

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Alex
ln Nickel Plate color photography Vol 2 there is a photo of 17212 taken after 1959 no date on photo the car has a Youngstown door. Hope this is of some help to you.

Paul Doggett UK
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On Sun, 30/11/14, 'Alex Schneider' @AlexSchneider [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Choice of doors for NKP 1937 boxcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2014, 14:29
















 









I am assembling an IMWX 1937
box car lettered for NKP 15362. The kit includes both
Superior and Youngstown doors (in other words, ribbed and
flat panel). I would appreciate any information documenting
which door design is appropriate for these cars.  The closest photo I can find
is in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, vol. 1, p
156, car 17514, but this was supposedly one of the last
order of cars built in 1944 and has Superior doors. However
two other NKP boxcars of different styles, built by Pullman
in 1944 and 1940 have Youngstown doors so it doesn’t
seem that NKP had a clear preference.  An N&W boxcar, ex NKP
15979, is shown in https://www.flickr.com/photos/vxla/4594825449/
and has Superior doors.  Alex Schneider


Re: SHAKE N TAKE Scope of Project and Sign UP Begins.

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"I can’t remember ever seeing an Athearn 40’ DD box car? Please help me out."


Ex-MDC tooling released shortly before they were bought out by Horizon, and it's actually not bad.
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH74936

Horizon's practice of repackaging ex-MDC tooling under "Roundhouse" ("early") and "Athearn" ("later") lines is the source of the confusion.


Ben Hom


Re: SHAKE N TAKE Scope of Project and Sign UP Begins.

Clark Propst
 

I can’t remember ever seeing an Athrean 40’ DD box car? Please help me out.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Choice of doors for NKP 1937 boxcar

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

I am assembling an IMWX 1937 box car lettered for NKP 15362. The kit includes both Superior and Youngstown doors (in other words, ribbed and flat panel). I would appreciate any information documenting which door design is appropriate for these cars.

 

The closest photo I can find is in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, vol. 1, p 156, car 17514, but this was supposedly one of the last order of cars built in 1944 and has Superior doors. However two other NKP boxcars of different styles, built by Pullman in 1944 and 1940 have Youngstown doors so it doesn’t seem that NKP had a clear preference.

 

An N&W boxcar, ex NKP 15979, is shown in https://www.flickr.com/photos/vxla/4594825449/ and has Superior doors.

 

Alex Schneider


SHAKE N TAKE Sign up sheet. FULL

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
Here is the roster of those that made the sign up for 2015 SHAKE N TAKE presentation. Remember this list is for those that intend to make the event and are willing to build the model. If for any reason things change and you wish to deleted form this list email me separately. If you want to be considered as an alternate email me directly.
 
  1. Craig Zeni
  2. Scott Dam
  3. John Greedy
  4. Richard Berry
  5. John Cantlay
  6. Gene Semon
  7. Dave Sieber
  8. Al Brown
  9. Ross Dando
  10. Paul Bizier
  11. Schuyler Larrabee
  12. Mark Morgan
  13. Arved Grass
  14. George Corral
  15. Gary Laakso
  16. Armend Premo
  17. Mike Brock
  18. Steve Orth
  19. Andy Carlson
  20. John Barry
  21. Tony Thompson
  22. Larry Sexton
I will now entertain the list for...
 
First Alternate:
 
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: SHAKE N TAKE Scope of Project and Sign UP Begins.

Tim O'Connor
 


Greg ( or Steve Hile or anyone else! )

I have the Sunshine kit for this car, but I've been wondering if there was ever an intermediate
repaint scheme applied to any of the cars between 1937 and 1963, which are the dates of the
two images in the Sunshine data sheet. I like to use mid to late 50's repaints as much as possible.

Tim O'Connor


Hey Yuze Gize,
This year with the help from Athearn Trains our project will be an AC&F ~ built Rock Island 40-foot
Double Door boxcar in series 161000-161349.
Thank You,
Greg Martin


Re: embossed aluminium foil boxcar ends

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes that has about the hardness that makes it easy to form, but I don't think you
would saving any money using it.

Tim O'


How about wine cork foil, twice the fun
Chuck Hladik


Re: PFE wood reefers (was Re: No more transition cars to do?)

Tim O'Connor
 

lol... all that turkey meat and stuffing have clouded my mind ...

T

"So it looks like the -20 is the only significant (1,000 or more) late wood car that no one has done in HO, and because of the door height can't be trivially bashed from other parts."

Tim, you need to get some sleep. :-) The PFE -20 is a steel car.

Also, as I state on my SmugMug site, the whole -20 car is 1-1/2" taller than a -10 or -14, so the taller door is not easily discernible because the relationship of the door to the top and bottom plates is essentially identical. The most significant exterior visual difference between a -14 and a -20 is at the bottom of the ends, which is were the end height was increased.

Is a PFE R-40-20 ever going to be accurately tooled in HO? Don't hold your breath.
It's way down my list of cars I'd like to see tooled in plastic.

Time for my nap,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


SHAKE N TAKE Scope of Project and Sign UP Begins.

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
READ and PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND ON LIST OR TO MIKE BROCK DIRECT.
 
PLEASE CONTATCT ME OFF-LIST AT:  tgregmrtn@...
 
This is the official announcement for the 2015 Prototype Rails SHAKE N TAKE for our 15th annual event and it promises to be a "Bash at the Beach".
 
Space is limited to thirty (30)  members, twenty (22) spots via the Internet and eight (8) at the registration table as you walk in.    There are no provisions for sign up with registration. We will take 10 spots for alternates as things can change. There will also be plenty of handouts available for those that wish to follow along and perhaps model this at home as we have done in the past.
 
 
This year with the help from Athearn Trains our project will be an AC&F ~ built Rock Island 40-foot Double Door boxcar in series 161000-161349. The ends will be a composite (resin) and reproduced by Aaron Gjermundson as well  a fishbelly side sill. 
 
The donated kits comes from Athearn and will include RTR 40-foot double door boxcar that will need to be disassembled and stripped before the conversion.  
 
Steve Hile is working on the Rock Island white decals and Black and White herald. 
 
Steve Hile has also agreed to open with the documentation of this series car and this is the last project that Richard Hendrickson had ask me to research and consider, there are other that were on our bucket list.  
 
If there is enough appeal we will consider Aftermarket parts that will be a separate sign up sheet.
 
I will post the SIGN UP Sheet and AFTERMARKET Sheet separately once the spots are full on the SHAKE N TAKE list and the STEAM ERA FREIGHT  CAR LIST only.

Thank You,
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: consider the lovely mail and express train shown here

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Happy Labor Day! ??

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:16 PM, 'Claus Schlund HGM' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Agreed, but I'm still working on figuring out which holiday rush might have occured on August 21, 1937, the date of the photo.

- Claus Schlund