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3-D printed boxcar ends

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I think there has been comment here in the past about folk printing 3-D boxcar ends. 


As things like Murphy and Dreadnaught ends seem to be fiendishly hard to make by hand, I'm wondering whether anyone who has drawn one in HO for sale would consider a 73% of size reduction of a drawing for TT scale? Simple parts like ends and roofs, and doors, with a lot of repetition of shapes, that can be sanded easily, seem an ideal application of that technology. 


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London, England

Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon,

I'm not sure what you need to know. It's definitely the best plastic
HO model of the USRA twin hopper. The Tichy model has better detail,
but the panels are incorrectly spaced.

Tim O'

Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?

Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions

Cyril Durrenberger
 

How far underground are the deposits?

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Tue, 12/2/14, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014, 12:38 PM


 









There's still high-quality iron ore
under the mountains of northern New Jersey and southern New
York: there's a book about it called "Vanishing
Iron Works of the Ramapos". A little railroad called
the Sterling Mountain RR came down to meet the Erie at
Sterlington, NY (between Suffern and Harriman). Extraction
became un-economic in the 20th century because (1) the ore
is deep underground and must be shaft-mined, and (2) the
land is more valuable as suburbs. Al Brown,
Melbourne, Fla.










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Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller asked:
"Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?"

What specific questions do you have?


Ben Hom

Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions

al_brown03
 

There's still high-quality iron ore under the mountains of northern New Jersey and southern New York: there's a book about it called "Vanishing Iron Works of the Ramapos". A little railroad called the Sterling Mountain RR came down to meet the Erie at Sterlington, NY (between Suffern and Harriman). Extraction became un-economic in the 20th century because (1) the ore is deep underground and must be shaft-mined, and (2) the land is more valuable as suburbs.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Accurail USRA hopper

Jon Miller
 

Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Harvesting Rivets vs. Decaling Rivets

Bill Welch
 

I used the subject line "Harvesting Rivets vs. Decaling Rivets" to get attention but because for me I am think this is an apples and oranges think more properly it should be "Harvesting Rivets and Decaling Rivets."


If I was making a steel side, or embellishing an existing steel side with rivets down the middle of a panel, I would absolutely use Archer Rivets. Same holds true for a course of rivets on a tank car. I have all of Archer's appropriate 1/87 offerings and some for other scales for potential adapting here at my "Mini Hobby Shop" a.k.a. my stash.


However, most of what I am doing is laying down rivets on gussets, fishplates, and braces I have scratch built from styrene or placing rivets (in reality probably bolt heads) on a side sill or some other component. I believe in this case that I can do this faster one-at-a-time harvesting rivets instead of decaling them. I do this with styrene and now resin too since my experiment to see it they with adhere to resin when I flood the Testors on with a brush. On the car I did this with the rivets survived media blasting w/baking soda and washing/scrubbing with a Tooth Brush.


Case Closed IMO


Bill Welch

Re: the riddel of the rivets, was MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

tyesac@aol.com
 

I don't remember if was Charlie Slater or Frank Hodina that was telling me about that rivet harvesting process at a Naperville RPM years ago, but based on thier work, they've mastered the technique.     So I tried it: 
    It helps if you're either seriously near-sighted and have a reallly good magnifier lamp.
     
        A clean, light colored, work surface also helps   (not that green cutting pad thing)
        A sharp chisel blade to cleave off the rivits and a sharp (brand new) #11 blade to stab & place the rivet is needed
        Picking them up and placing them round side up is the tricky part.
        It's a good technique to place a few rivets in irregular places, not so good for long lines of very fine rivets
            (like the side seams on a  car side)
 
I used it first on scratch built Santa Fe Sk-3 sides to simulate the carraige bolt heads on the wood to steel intersections.
 
I've since modified my NWSL riveter to have and adjustable depth stop and jigs to run rivets consistently along an edge & true 90 to an edge.
 
That leaves us with the options of cut & glue, die pressed rivets, Tichy molded rivets, Archer decals & 3D printing.  Based on the skillset of the pattern maker it seems that the ability to "hand craft" a master to the equal of injected molded has arrived.
 
Tom Casey  
Tim wrote:
"Bill Welch is one of the best modelers I know, so if harvesting rivets
from blue box cars works for him, then I say leave well enough alone. :-)"

I have a car side pattern Bill did using harvested rivets, and it's spectacular. Castings from it can't be marketed because of dimensional variations in the resin kit it was intended to upgrade, but it's still a treat to work with such jewels. I have trouble maneuvering individual Archer rivets into position, and they ride on little squares of decal film. I can't imagine positioning and bonding individual harvested styrene rivets. I am in awe of those who can.

Tom Madden



-----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

 
Tim wrote:
"Bill Welch is one of the best modelers I know, so if harvesting rivets
from blue box cars works for him, then I say leave well enough alone. :-)"

I have a car side pattern Bill did using harvested rivets, and it's spectacular. Castings from it can't be marketed because of dimensional variations in the resin kit it was intended to upgrade, but it's still a treat to work with such jewels. I have trouble maneuvering individual Archer rivets into position, and they ride on little squares of decal film. I can't imagine positioning and bonding individual harvested styrene rivets. I am in awe of those who can.

Tom Madden

What is Chad up Kit-Wise

Bill Welch
 

Chad was not at Lisle this year, or last either I don't think. Clark's message about door leads me to ask if there a comprehensive list somewhere of his offerings?


Bill Welch

Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Clark Propst
 

While operating on a friends layout last night I noticed a “Remember the Rock” magazine open to a review of the Roundhouse 40’ DD car lettered for Rock Island.  At a glance I saw the reviewer did point out the discrepancies in the ends and side sill. There was also a nice side view in original paint from Bob’s photos.
It was a coincidence the article was out. My friend had built a model of the car, but had put the wrong doors on it. He had just received, correct/more correct? doors from Chad Boas. Chad made the 7’ pre-war doors for his latest model.
 
Quite possible the two of us will be interested in the after market parts?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions

markstation01 <markstation01@...>
 

Thanks for all the info, I guess my private road will be hauling the obscure quantity of ore out of the suburbs of NY City


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger durrecj@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date:12/01/2014 5:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions

 

There was also some limited movement of NP and GN ore cars to the DM&IR docks at Duluth and DM&IR ore cars to the NP docks at Superior or GN docks at Superior to balance the ore content for the boat loads, but all of these transfers stayed in the Duluth Superior area. The DM&IR had docks at Duluth and Two Harbors. Beginning with some of the older wood ore cars, sometimes older D&IR/DM&N/DM&IR (D&IR and DM&N merged into the DM&IR in 1937) ore cars were used to move coal on the DM&IR. I do not have any information that indicates that cars in this service moved off line.

Cyril Durrenberger

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 12/1/14, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, December 1, 2014, 12:45 PM


 












---In STMFC@...,
<jimbetz@...> wrote :

Mark,



The typical/most common use of the Minnesota

ore cars was to use them to haul ore from the mines

to the Great Lakes (usually Duluth), transfer the ore

to ships, run them to ports, transfer the ore back

into ore cars to haul them to the steel mills. The

second loadings were done to cars lettered for

whatever RR was doing that work.

In fact the GN cars stayed on the GN, NP on the NP,

DM&IR on their rails, etc., etc., etc. And it was
quite

rare to ever see an ore train that wasn't "all one
RR".

(Significantly different than coal - but even coal was

often "one road".)

- Jim Betz

===========

With a couple exceptions...

NP and SOO pooled the traffic
off the Cuyuna Range in Minnesota. The ore was shipped over
the NP dock in Superior, WI (Duluth harbor).

The CNW and SOO pooled the
traffic off the Gogebic Range in Wisconsin and far
northwestenr Michigan. The traffic was shipped out over the
Soo dock in Ashland, WI.

The "Minnesota" ore cars were a
design constrained by the pocket spacing of the docks on the
upper Great Lakes. As time went on, the cars grew in
capacity from twenty tons to seventy tons, but couldn't
get any longer, due to the desire to have all cars centered
over the pockets so all could be dumped at once. The result
was a very compact car with the trucks at the extreme ends,
to the point it was difficult for a man to couple air hoses
between cars, and at least one road, DM&IR, went to an
arrangement with the air hoses higher on the car ends. These
constraints did not apply to the cars that loaded ore at
ports on the lower lakes and hauled it to the mills, so cars
in use down there developed differently.

In later years (past the era covered by this
list) as the iron ranges played out, some of the
"Minnesota" cars found a second life in aggregate
service in semi permanently coupled unit trains,  but that
was a rare exception.

Dennis Storzek










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Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Gary Roe
 


 

Mike Brock writes:

"BTW, while completely out of scope [ but, remember, I have the key to the
jail, heh, heh ] and, what the heck it's late...I don't know what the
correct term is, perhaps, Gotcha!"

Mike,
I believe the correct expression is "Bazinga!"
gary roe
quincy, illinois



Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

arved_grass
 

On page 36 of the "Rock Island Guide To Freight and Passenger Equipment" by Steve Hile et al, there is a broadside photo of RI 195560. The caption reads:

"The first new all-steel boxcars were delivered to the Rock Island in 1937. Built by ACF the cars had auto loaders and were identified y a large herald stating 'Rock Island Lines.' Their inside height was 10'-6" with a 14'-6" door opening..."

My notes say the SP A-50-16 class were delivered in November and December of 1947.

I'm sure "more will be revealed" at Cocoa Beach, along with publishing of the handout on the Yahoo! Shake N Take group's file area.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 12/2/14, Robert rdkirkham@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014, 12:27 AM


Hi Greg – sound like an interesting model, and I am
interested in the
aftermarket opportunity. 
 
But I have not see built dates for the Rock Island or
the SP car.  I
model 1946 .   Do either of the cars work for my
era?
 
Rob Kirkham

From: mailto:STMFC@...

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:03 PM
To: STMFC@...

Subject: Re: [STMFC] MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel

boxcar
 



Boy you guys are making it tough on me
tonight...
 
So if you put a micrometer to the car you'll find
that the doors out to out
measure 15.08 mm divided by .2917 mm (per scale inch) =
178.54 scale inches
divided by 12"= 14'10½"±, which is what it
takes to cover a 14'6" clear door
opening IIRC.
 
This is why this car was so tough to seek out. Lots of
cars with narrower
openings the IC had a car similar with a 12-foot opening...
Change the ends and
there are more cars but again with narrower openings.
 
This car has a 5/5 dreadnaught end with square corner
post and the SP
A-50-16 of course has W corner post.  The Rock Island car
has an inset side
sill and the SP car has a flush side sill.
 
We can go into detail a bit more at Cocoa Beach , but
again the focus of
the presentation will be on the Rock Island car. It is very
unique in it's own
right. (note to self call Bob and make sure he has plenty
photos...)
 
The SP car will be a Spring build on the Shake N Take
list as I am planning
on doing those ends as well at the same time and should have
the sample there
just as Richard had me do for the Santa Fe ends at SNT
2015.
 
Much to do...
 
If you plan on doing the Rock Island build as
an AFTER MARKET
member, and some have already spoken up,
please email me 
OFF LIST  so we can make sure that there are
enough resin sets and
decals ahead of time.
 
As Craig Zeni has said, "this is a very sexy
40-foot double door car..."

 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and
a river runs through
it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 11/30/2014 9:28:37 P.M. Pacific
Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
Nope.
As Greg Martin says: "The most difficult issue with
for me with this
car
as a core was finding a car that has early Youngstown
Steel Doors and ~

14'6" ~ clear opening. For
Richard that was easy. Others have helped with

this project and they will be
remembered."

The doors
of the model
are about 7 ft wide. Just for the record, the UP
A-50-16 [ 500 cars built
in 1940 and not the same car as the SP A-50-16
built in 1947 ], has a 12
foot door opening. How does this equate to a door
size [ 2 doors ]?. The
UP A-50-19 has a 4/4 end and a 14' door opening, 500

cars built in 1947.
Just referring to the car's end, a 4/4 configuration,

the SP A-50-16 is a
closer match to the UP A-50-19 which also has a 4/4 end.

The SP A-50-13
more closely matches a UP A-50-16. Now, obviously there
are
differences
that I don't address [ for example the UP cars have
the
alternate center
rivets ].

Mike Brock












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Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Greg Martin
 

Rob,
 
The built dates for the Rock Island car is April 1939 and the Cotton Belt car (now the cat is really out of the bag) is April of 1944.  Again other than the samples the SSW car parts will not be available until some time in the Spring of 2015. We want to make sure that the Rock Island build is well underway before we start that build on SHAKE N TAKE list. The parts will work for the SP car as well.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/1/2014 9:27:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Rob writes:
 

Hi Greg – sound like an interesting model, and I am interested in the aftermarket opportunity. 
 
But I have not see built dates for the Rock Island or the SP car.  I model 1946 .   Do either of the cars work for my era?
 
Rob Kirkham
 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar
 


Boy you guys are making it tough on me tonight...
 
So if you put a micrometer to the car you'll find that the doors out to out measure 15.08 mm divided by .2917 mm (per scale inch) = 178.54 scale inches divided by 12"= 14'10½"±, which is what it takes to cover a 14'6" clear door opening IIRC.
 
This is why this car was so tough to seek out. Lots of cars with narrower openings the IC had a car similar with a 12-foot opening... Change the ends and there are more cars but again with narrower openings.
 
This car has a 5/5 dreadnaught end with square corner post and the SP A-50-16 of course has W corner post.  The Rock Island car has an inset side sill and the SP car has a flush side sill.
 
We can go into detail a bit more at Cocoa Beach , but again the focus of the presentation will be on the Rock Island car. It is very unique in it's own right. (note to self call Bob and make sure he has plenty photos...)
 
The SP car will be a Spring build on the Shake N Take list as I am planning on doing those ends as well at the same time and should have the sample there just as Richard had me do for the Santa Fe ends at SNT 2015.
 
Much to do...
 
If you plan on doing the Rock Island build as an AFTER MARKET member, and some have already spoken up, please email me  OFF LIST  so we can make sure that there are enough resin sets and decals ahead of time.
 
As Craig Zeni has said, "this is a very sexy 40-foot double door car..."
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 11/30/2014 9:28:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
Nope. As Greg Martin says: "The most difficult issue with for me with this
car as a core was finding a car that has early Youngstown Steel Doors and ~
14'6" ~ clear opening. For Richard that was easy. Others have helped with
this project and they will be remembered."

The doors of the model are about 7 ft wide. Just for the record, the UP
A-50-16 [ 500 cars built in 1940 and not the same car as the SP A-50-16
built in 1947 ], has a 12 foot door opening. How does this equate to a door
size [ 2 doors ]?. The UP A-50-19 has a 4/4 end and a 14' door opening, 500
cars built in 1947. Just referring to the car's end, a 4/4 configuration,
the SP A-50-16 is a closer match to the UP A-50-19 which also has a 4/4 end.
The SP A-50-13 more closely matches a UP A-50-16. Now, obviously there are
differences that I don't address [ for example the UP cars have the
alternate center rivets ].

Mike Brock

Good news and Orion

Mikebrock
 

Guys, two announcements regarding Prototype Rails 2015.

First, I am pleased to announce that Ted Culotta, as Speedwitch, will be attending Prototype Rails. We haven't seen Ted for some time and his coming is a real plus. I might note also that Bill Schneider, long time Prototype Rails regular will be here after missing last year, again representing Rapido.

There is one potential problem that I will mention. It may seem
unlikely but I will mention it as a precaution. On Dec 4, the first flight [ unmanned ] of
the Orion spacecraft is scheduled. This is the new NASA space vehicle
planned in the future to venture to an asteroid and Mars. Cocoa Beach hotels
are booked up for this flight. As an old rocket scientist I can tell you
that my rule was to never schedule a trip after a planned flight because it
would slip into my trip's schedule. The point is, if that launch [ and, this is the
first one ] slips into early Jan, I'm not going to be able to add to the
room count and will probably lose rooms in our block not reserved. Yes, it
would be neat and all that but if you already have an airline flight and no room...not nice. So, if the Orion flight is delayed, please make haste in reserving your room. Remember, if you have a problem, you can always cancel.

Mike Br

Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Greg Martin wrote:

 This car has a 5/5 dreadnaught end with square corner post and the SP A-50-16 of course has W corner post.  The Rock Island car has an inset side sill and the SP car has a flush side sill
 
The SP car will be a Spring build on the Shake N Take list as I am planning on doing those ends as well at the same time and should have the sample there just as Richard had me do for the Santa Fe ends at SNT 2015.

       Not sure if Greg is mixing up two different SP cars. The A-50-16 he references was built in 1947 with early Improved Dreadnaught ends, not W-corner post, and has a somewhat complex side sill shape. The SP prewar cars were Class A-50-13, built in 1936 and '37, and they had sharp-corner Dreadnaught ends and a pretty straight side sill (with a barely visible extension under the doors). I would have thought Greg means to describe the -13 cars in his message above.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Robert kirkham
 

Hi Greg – sound like an interesting model, and I am interested in the aftermarket opportunity. 
 
But I have not see built dates for the Rock Island or the SP car.  I model 1946 .   Do either of the cars work for my era?
 
Rob Kirkham
 

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar
 


Boy you guys are making it tough on me tonight...
 
So if you put a micrometer to the car you'll find that the doors out to out measure 15.08 mm divided by .2917 mm (per scale inch) = 178.54 scale inches divided by 12"= 14'10½"±, which is what it takes to cover a 14'6" clear door opening IIRC.
 
This is why this car was so tough to seek out. Lots of cars with narrower openings the IC had a car similar with a 12-foot opening... Change the ends and there are more cars but again with narrower openings.
 
This car has a 5/5 dreadnaught end with square corner post and the SP A-50-16 of course has W corner post.  The Rock Island car has an inset side sill and the SP car has a flush side sill.
 
We can go into detail a bit more at Cocoa Beach , but again the focus of the presentation will be on the Rock Island car. It is very unique in it's own right. (note to self call Bob and make sure he has plenty photos...)
 
The SP car will be a Spring build on the Shake N Take list as I am planning on doing those ends as well at the same time and should have the sample there just as Richard had me do for the Santa Fe ends at SNT 2015.
 
Much to do...
 
If you plan on doing the Rock Island build as an AFTER MARKET member, and some have already spoken up, please email me  OFF LIST  so we can make sure that there are enough resin sets and decals ahead of time.
 
As Craig Zeni has said, "this is a very sexy 40-foot double door car..."
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 11/30/2014 9:28:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
Nope. As Greg Martin says: "The most difficult issue with for me with this
car as a core was finding a car that has early Youngstown Steel Doors and ~
14'6" ~ clear opening. For Richard that was easy. Others have helped with
this project and they will be remembered."

The doors of the model are about 7 ft wide. Just for the record, the UP
A-50-16 [ 500 cars built in 1940 and not the same car as the SP A-50-16
built in 1947 ], has a 12 foot door opening. How does this equate to a door
size [ 2 doors ]?. The UP A-50-19 has a 4/4 end and a 14' door opening, 500
cars built in 1947. Just referring to the car's end, a 4/4 configuration,
the SP A-50-16 is a closer match to the UP A-50-19 which also has a 4/4 end.
The SP A-50-13 more closely matches a UP A-50-16. Now, obviously there are
differences that I don't address [ for example the UP cars have the
alternate center rivets ].

Mike Brock

Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Mike Brock wrote:

Damn! I really like a challenge. Think I'll come up with something to put rivets on. Hmmm. Alternate Center Rivets? Hmmm. A quick study reveals 318 Athearn kits in storage down here in my bunker. Wonder what Bill scrapes the little basta...uh...jewels off with. Fortunately I have extremely good closeup vision...


       Not sure if this is a serious comment, Mike, but there does exist an Archer Transfers set of ACR rivet rows, which as it happens I researched for them to make, because I wanted it for one of my own projects.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Mikebrock
 

Tom Madden writes:

"I have a car side pattern Bill did using harvested rivets, and it's spectacular. Castings from it can't be marketed because of dimensional variations in the resin kit it was intended to upgrade, but it's still a treat to work with such jewels. I have trouble maneuvering individual Archer rivets into position, and they ride on little squares of decal film. I can't imagine positioning and bonding individual harvested styrene rivets. I am in awe of those who can."

Damn! I really like a challenge. Think I'll come up with something to put rivets on. Hmmm. Alternate Center Rivets? Hmmm. A quick study reveals 318 Athearn kits in storage down here in my bunker. Wonder what Bill scrapes the little basta...uh...jewels off with. Fortunately I have extremely good closeup vision...from time to time I model bolts on my turnouts...but no comparison, they are larger than rivets.

BTW, while completely out of scope [ but, remember, I have the key to the jail, heh, heh ] and, what the heck it's late...I don't know what the correct term is, perhaps, Gotcha! The best that I've received was by a very dear friend, the late Ruben Aversa. Ruben was a narrow gauger [ who frequented Prototype Rails many times ] and built a beautiful HOn3 layout down in Miami depicting Colorado scenes. He included a town and in it was a hotel [ I believe ]. On one visit he told me to take a look inside through a window. Leaning over, I peered intently in and on the far wall was a nicely framed photo of...yep...Ruben. I never did match his effort but I did try.

Mike Brock...and, now, back to frt cars...and rivets.

Re: MDC 40-ft SD & DD steel boxcar

Tom Madden
 

Tim wrote:

"Bill Welch is one of the best modelers I know, so if harvesting rivets
from blue box cars works for him, then I say leave well enough alone. :-)"


I have a car side pattern Bill did using harvested rivets, and it's spectacular. Castings from it can't be marketed because of dimensional variations in the resin kit it was intended to upgrade, but it's still a treat to work with such jewels. I have trouble maneuvering individual Archer rivets into position, and they ride on little squares of decal film. I can't imagine positioning and bonding individual harvested styrene rivets. I am in awe of those who can.


Tom Madden