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Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Eric Hansmann
 

Now that Ben has offered a nice overview of HO scale USRA hoppers that can be purchased, here are a couple of links for detail upgrade ideas.

I model 1926 and am happy to use the Accurail models in the as-built paint and lettering. I described backdating the brakes to a KD system and installing wire grabs only for the freestanding details on this blog post. 


I upgraded a six pack of B&O hoppers to reflect details noted in a prototype photo of some late 1940s rebuilds. These were done for a club and minimal extra detail was installed.


I hope these blog posts inspire a few upgrades.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

Re: WTB PRR 500 Ton Concrete Coal Tower 112'6" tall OMI #3126

Rich Yoder
 

What Scale?

Rich



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: [STMFC] WTB PRR 500 Ton Concrete Coal Tower 112'6" tall OMI #3126








WTB PRR 500 Ton Concrete Coal Tower 112'6" tall OMI #3126 for a fair price. I will pay shipping and insurance.

Please contact me off list at: pennsy6200@... .

Thanks, Dennis Williams














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Re: 3-D printed boxcar ends

Robert kirkham
 

I’ve done it for S scale – a 7/8 murphy end.  Not hard.
 
Rob Kirkham
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] 3-D printed boxcar ends
 


I think there has been comment here in the past about folk printing 3-D boxcar ends. 


As things like Murphy and Dreadnaught ends seem to be fiendishly hard to make by hand, I'm wondering whether anyone who has drawn one in HO for sale would consider a 73% of size reduction of a drawing for TT scale? Simple parts like ends and roofs, and doors, with a lot of repetition of shapes, that can be sanded easily, seem an ideal application of that technology.


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London, England

Re: CCB room share with CPAP user

Jared Harper
 

Chuck,

I have a CPAP too.  Mine sounds like gently blowing air and helps cover up any distractions that might interfere with sleep.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


---In STMFC@..., <lnnrr152@...> wrote :

I have a reservation at the Cocoa Beach Hilton for a double room Jan. 7,8,9 and 10.  You do not need to be

a CPAP user but be aware that I sound like Darth Vader.  If you only need three nights that is OK too.

Please contact me OFF LIST at LNNRR152  at GMAIL  dot COM.

Chuck Peck

Re: SHAKE N TAKE Sign up sheet ~ FULL ~ First Alternate List

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
Here is the roster of those that made the sign up for 2015 SHAKE N TAKE presentation. Remember this list is for those that intend to make the event and are willing to build the model. If for any reason things change and you wish to deleted form this list email me separately. If you want to be considered as an alternate email me directly.

 
  1. Craig Zeni
  2. Scott Dam
  3. John Greedy
  4. Richard Berry
  5. John Cantlay
  6. Gene Semon
  7. Ted Culotta
  8. Al Brown
  9. Ross Dando
  10. Paul Bizier
  11. Schuyler Larrabee
  12. Arved Grass
  13. George Corral
  14. Gary Laakso
  15. Armend Premo
  16. Mike Brock
  17. Steve Orth
  18. Andy Carlson
  19. John Barry
  20. Tony Thompson
  21. Larry Sexton
  22. Roger Hinman
I will now entertain the list for...
 
First Alternate:
 
  1. Dave Sieber
  2. Bill Welch
  3. Tom Dill
  4. Mike Smeltzer
  5. Jeff Aley
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

Re: Thinning the herd

Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...>
 

What's your eBay seller ID?

Jeff
jppellas@...


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Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 6:30 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Thinning the herd



Guys, I have decided to considerably thin the modeling herd.  To that end I have been putting stuff on eBay.  I just like about 26 new items up there.  Search for user name blakforr to find them.  Please check them out.

Thanks,

Denis Blake
2015 Central Ohio RPM
April 23 thru April 25
Marion Union Station


Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:



"I saw a new ad from Accurail for some Pennsy cars and lacking all my books (here) this three pack looked good."
http://accurail.com/accurail/CATALOG/2014/2014_December.pdf

Jon, if time stopped for you in 1941, these won't do. This black hopper car scheme wasn't adopted by the Pennsy until 1957 for new cars. Also, as I mentioned in the rundown, I don't like PRR USRA twin hoppers (Class GLD) in the later paint schemes as they were pretty rare by the time these were adopted - 30 cars in 1955 (Freight Car Color/Shadow Keystone); 4 cars in 1958, gone by 1960.

Manufacturers love the USRA twin because you can issue them in a lot of legitimate paint schemes, but model railroaders are fooled into thinking these cars were the most numerous on a given road's roster. This is far from the truth - the PRR only had 300 of these cars. To put this in context, there were over 30,000 Class GLA twins (Bowser).


Ben Hom

CCB room share with CPAP user

Charles Peck
 

I have a reservation at the Cocoa Beach Hilton for a double room Jan. 7,8,9 and 10.  You do not need to be

a CPAP user but be aware that I sound like Darth Vader.  If you only need three nights that is OK too.

Please contact me OFF LIST at LNNRR152  at GMAIL  dot COM.

Chuck Peck

Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Jon Miller
 

On 12/2/2014 12:23 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
True - the Accurail model is probably the best compromise between accuracy and price.


Thanks Ben, for that complete rundown.  I saw a new ad from Accurail for some Pennsy cars and lacking all my books (here) this three pack looked good.

http://accurail.com/accurail/CATALOG/2014/2014_December.pdf

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Arved Grass contact me with no encrptying

Mikebrock
 

Arved Grass, please contact me OFF GROUP with no encrpting.

Mike Brock
brockmATcfl.rr.com

Re: FLOQUIL PAINT MIX

Doug Pillow
 

They'll pry my Scalecoat II from my cold dead hands. I've tried acrylics with no luck. Doug Pillow

Thinning the herd

seaboard_1966
 

Guys, I have decided to considerably thin the modeling herd.  To that end I have been putting stuff on eBay.  I just like about 26 new items up there.  Search for user name blakforr to find them.  Please check them out.


Thanks,


Denis Blake

2015 Central Ohio RPM

April 23 thru April 25

Marion Union Station

Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:
"I think Tim answered my question, if most agree with that comment!
'It's definitely the best plastic HO model of the USRA twin hopper.'
I understand the typical Accurail items like molded grab iron, etc."

True - the Accurail model is probably the best compromise between accuracy and price. For USRA twin hoppers in HO scale, it's definitely a question of what bothers you more - incorrect panel spacing, molded on details, incorrect paint schemes, high MSRP, or generally poor execution. Here's a rundown of what's out there in descending order of price (general comments only - you're on your own for specific analysis for given prototypes):

Bachmann (RTR, MSRP $32.00): For $32.00, you get a model with molded on grabs, chunky details, and paint schemes that could have been executed better.
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=258_324_325_326

MTH (RTR, MSRP $29.99): Actually, it's pretty good, nicely detailed with separate grabs and detailed brake system. The main problem with this model is the lack of accurate paint schemes - this release contains questionable (ex: PRR Shadow Keystone for a 300-car class largely retired by the adoption of this paint scheme) or completely bogus (WM, CN, VGN, UP) paint schemes. At least they got the correct car class this time for the B&O cars, and the P&LE cars do have the correct scheme for panel-side cars rebuilt back to flat sides. YMMV - it's a bit much for me to spend $30 on a model to have to dump it in stripper to get it right.
http://www.mthtrains.com/ho/spotlight/02_2014/a

Tichy (Undecorated kit, MSRP $14.50, sometimes available RTR and decorated from Intermountain): Exquisitely detailed, but flawed - the two center panels are wider than that of the prototype (see a side-by-side comparison with the prototype in the files section). You have to decide if this bothers you or not.
https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4027/Default.aspx

Accurail (Kit, MSRP $15.98): As previously noted, molded-on details but not grossly oversized; wide variety of paint schemes (some not for USRA cars); 2400-series (as built paint schemes) cars will need to have brake details backdated; some 2500-series cars will need Andrews trucks. Best compromise between price and accuracy.
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2400.htm
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2500.htm

Varney/Life-Like ("RTR", can't throw a rock at a train show without hitting one): Included as someone will invariably bring it up. Half-century old tooling; undersized. Dirt cheap, though, and may be valuable for kitbashing Bob Karig's early common standard hopper. (However, once I get this project done, [fill in the blank] company will issue the model that Bob championed.]

Walthers also offered a USRA twin a few years back - no idea where they got their tooling. Photos of the model looked a lot like the Accurail model.




Ben Hom

Re: 24' Minnesota Ore Car questions

al_brown03
 

When I get home I'll look to see if I have the book. It was my Dad's copy, and my brother may have it.

 

AL B.


 

Re: MIA AT NAPERVILLE

Clark Propst
 

I’m told Chad has a new job and can’t get much time off. He was at St Louis, selling on the Saturday of that meet.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: embossed aluminium foil boxcar ends

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Hi Rob


Sorry to take time in replying; owing to Yahoo's conversation format, I 'lost' your email for a couple of days.


I have no dimensions of the reverse Murphy end.  I know of no plan for the Georgia 'homebuilt' caboose that used it, my data is limited to only a couple of pictures.  There is a GA-WPR Yahoo group of course, but knowledge of these and other vehicles does not seem to exist in the group, and perhaps the blueprints were lost long ago. 


In this case, Justin May has told me that it is possible that the original boxcars built into these cabooses were GF&A cars.  (I had thought they might be GaRR 17000 series cars.) 


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London, England

Re: What is Chad up Kit-Wise

golden1014
 

Chad got a job at the Subaru plant in Lafayette (IN) and doesn't have a lot of time off yet.  He came to StL RPM but was only here on Saturday.  He's still got a lot of models for sale and is still making new ones (latest I saw is a C&WC DD auto box) but I don't recall ever seeing a list.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: Accurail USRA hopper

Aley, Jeff A
 

Trying to “teach a man to fish” :

 

1) I only use Google Chrome as a browser.  That doesn’t mean that other browsers don’t work; it only means I haven’t tried them.

2) I find that Yahoo!Groups gave me a lot of problems when I blocked the ads that show up in the middle of all the messages.  When I unblocked those ads, things worked properly.

3) In this particular example, I went to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo .

4) Then I clicked on STMFC, which took me to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages .

5) The search box at the top says, “Search Conversations” in grey.  In that search box, I typed “Accurail USRA Hopper” and pressed

6) The search returned 421 results, including this thread.  I scrolled down to find messages that were relevant.  For example, there’s a thread called “Magazine needed” that indicates that Richard Hendrickson did an article in the May 1995 RMJ on upgrading the Accurail USRA hopper.  I bet that article has some really good info.  There are also threads on “new HO scale USRA hopper” that compare the MTH to the Accurail, and a thread on “ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs” that might have useful info.

7) There are ony 16 results when I search for Accurail USRA hopper review, but perhaps these are more interesting to you.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Accurail USRA hopper

 

 

Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

MIA AT NAPERVILLE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

As was mentioned this morning Chad Boas was not at Naperville this year.
Another SUPER modeler (who was mentioned in a post earlier this week)
that I really missed was John Spencer. Are his models extreme? Maby, however,
they are what we all should strive for.

Bill Pardie

Re: Accurail USRA hopper

np328
 


Jon, here is something I had copied off the STMFC some time ago, and then trimmed it further to reflect my area and era of modeling.

     I am sorry not to know who Mark's full name is who had posted this or when he posted this.

Is the following what you are looking in some part for?

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I've tried to round up a list of prototypes (or near matches) of  current Accurail models,  Here is my list: any improvements, are appreciated -- especially for those models appropriate for discussion on the STMFC list.

#2300 Canton Car Co. Great Northern Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2300.htm   GN 73000-73099 built 1929 and GN 73100-73199 built 1930 by Canton Car Co, Canton, OH

#2400 USRA Coal Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2400.htm
Original USRA design (year?).

#2700 55-Ton Wood Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2700.htm            NKP 30000-30749, built 1918

#2800 55-Ton Panel Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2800.htm
USRA rebuilds by Union Metal Products. SLSF , RI , others.

#3700 41' AAR Steel Gondola
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3700.htm    1941 AAR design built for ACL and GM&O.

#4100 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and wood ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4100.htm            CN 500500-503499 cars built 1923, also AC and GTW.

#4300 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and metal ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4300.htm
GTW 1 1/2 door auto cars rebuilt with single doors after reassignment  to CN.

#4600 USRA Double Sheath Wood Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4600.htm
USRA double sheathed

#4800 40' Wood Refrigerator Car
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm     BREX 75000-75999 built 1926, rebuilt without ice hatch platforms c. 1950.

#7500 70-Ton Offset-Side Triple Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7500.htm
AAR standard of 1935. Production of the prototype cars began in the late 1930s and continued until at least 1960.
____
Mark

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Jim Dick - St. Paul , Mn