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Third Attempt to Upload photos failed

Bill Welch
 

Just tried to use Firefox to upload photos with same failed result. I know that photos are held until approved by Mike or Jeff. I that what is actually going on and that the photos will be the Scratch Built Ladder folder at some point?!

Bill Welch

Re: Another UTLX Tank

al.kresse
 


Could it be 40K pounds capacity?
 
Al Kresse


From: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
To: "Steam Era Frt Car Group"
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:21:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another UTLX Tank

 

Bruce,

O.K. I screwed up. In Henderson's book he said 57801 was a 4,000 gallon tank. Had I dug out my ORER before posting, I would have discovered that there were no 4,000 gallon cars in this series, at least when this photo or the Jim Sands photo were taken. There were six 6,000 gallon cars in this series, mixed with 8,000 and 10,000 gallon cars. I can't see any clear gallonage on the car in the Sands photo, and it looks like there is a single safety valve (wrapped in plastic?). Therefore, it appears to be a 6,000 gallon car.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/7/14 8:07 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Garth,

4K? I'm trying to figure out what this is in reference to? It isn't a 4K gallon car, it isn't in 4xxx number series... were there 4,000 of them built?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:11 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Another UTLX Tank

Friends,

I just ran across another photo of one of those 4K UTLX tank cars in the
Jim Sands collection:
http://jimsands2.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72875 . The
photo is dated 1969, and as a bonus, there is a readable number of
another of these in the photo.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

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Re: Lancaster and Chester 829

O Fenton Wells
 

William, ThankY'all

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:13 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Boxcar Red/Brown preceded this scheme. The L&C also own ten Southern 36' SU boxcars and this is offered in the Westerfield line. The L&C Herald is curiously way oversized. They also owned some 1937 steel cars, my guess ex-Southern.


Let's hear it for the "Ya'll Roads!"

Bill Welch




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: Car weight question

Pierre Oliver
 

Or just a little too quick with snappy responses? :-)
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 07/12/2014 1:40 PM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:

 

I understand way you wanted to know Pierre. Guess I was taken to literally?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Car weight question

Clark Propst
 

I understand way you wanted to know Pierre. Guess I was taken to literally?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Another UTLX Tank

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bruce,

O.K. I screwed up. In Henderson's book he said 57801 was a 4,000 gallon tank. Had I dug out my ORER before posting, I would have discovered that there were no 4,000 gallon cars in this series, at least when this photo or the Jim Sands photo were taken. There were six 6,000 gallon cars in this series, mixed with 8,000 and 10,000 gallon cars. I can't see any clear gallonage on the car in the Sands photo, and it looks like there is a single safety valve (wrapped in plastic?). Therefore, it appears to be a 6,000 gallon car.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/7/14 8:07 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Garth,

4K? I'm trying to figure out what this is in reference to? It isn't a 4K gallon car, it isn't in 4xxx number series... were there 4,000 of them built?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
________________________________________
From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:11 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Another UTLX Tank

Friends,

I just ran across another photo of one of those 4K UTLX tank cars in the
Jim Sands collection:
http://jimsands2.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72875 . The
photo is dated 1969, and as a bonus, there is a readable number of
another of these in the photo.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

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Re: Lancaster and Chester 829

Bill Welch
 

Boxcar Red/Brown preceded this scheme. The L&C also own ten Southern 36' SU boxcars and this is offered in the Westerfield line. The L&C Herald is curiously way oversized. They also owned some 1937 steel cars, my guess ex-Southern.

Let's hear it for the "Ya'll Roads!"

Bill Welch

Re: Lancaster and Chester 829

O Fenton Wells
 

I would love to know when this paint scheme was implemented.  Was the first paint scheme these cars saw?  Was there another scheme before this one?
--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: Car weight question

Pierre Oliver
 

As odd as the question may appear to you, Clark. The responses have been very informative, at least to me.
A variation of upwards of 100 lbs in the cast weight of a production run of trucks is intriguing.
As a kit manufacturer, the information gleaned tells me that I have to think very hard about how I will deal with decals for the 3 variations a certain boxcar we're looking at.
Always learning on this Group, always learning.
Pierre Oliver

Re: Another UTLX Tank

Jon Miller
 

On 12/7/2014 5:20 AM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
UTLX 58041
    What I find interesting is that the car is so clean, you can read most everything.  Did it have enough years of rain, after steam, to wash all the soot, etc. away?

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Lancaster and Chester 829

al_brown03
 

What an interesting car. Ex-DD hence the long top door guide and side-sill brace.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: Really thick tack boards

al_brown03
 

Funny how the prototype sometimes looks like sloppy modelling. And are my eyes fooling me, or is the bottom one (the route-card board) just a tad askew?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

diagonal panel roof drawing?

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Hi


I am wondering if anyone has a diagram with a top view, of a diagonal panel 40' boxcar roof, that they could share. I wanted something to do a master from, for TT scale. 


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London, England 

Re: Another UTLX Tank

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I sent a private reply to Charlie yesterday with this information.  From my UTLX research –

 

UTLX added heaters to 425 - 6500 gallon Type X cars in the 1930’s, renumbering them:  58100 – 58249 authorized in 1932 and 57800 – 58074 authorized in 1936. 

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Another UTLX Tank

 

 

I have the original slide from the Jim Sands collection and 4000 dpi scan of UTLX 58041. I have created a new photo album “Sands Photos” in the group photos and posted the image. Now we will see if Yahoo cooperates and the moderators approve.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Car weight question

Guy Wilber
 

Bruce F. Smith'wrote:

"However, one of two things usually happened with such a car. Either the shipper refused it..."

The shipper would have gladly taken advantage of the car's (likely) lesser tare weight often gaining a free ride on a portion of their load.

"...or the interchanging railroad recognized the out-of-date reweigh and reweighed the car, charging the owner. Rumor has it that some railroads viewed this as "easy money".

Rumor? It was proven factually and encouraged by the ARA and AAR's Car Service Division for well over forty years.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: Northwestern Refrigerator Line reefers

Walter Cox
 

Thanks to those who supplied information on my questions. I have a copy of the Morning Sun Refrigerator Car Color Guide but it was packed pending a move to Tennessee. I thought it had already been moved down but after posting my question last night I found it this morning looking for something else. There is also a photo on page 80 of an NWX reefer in gray paint taken in August 1960 so I now have a double confirmation on that issue. 
I still have to do some research on the numbers of the various body styles of MDT refers and determine what bodies can be used to model them. So far I have not seen photos of any cars in the red white and blue paint scheme and am wondering when this scheme was discontinued.
Thanks again ,Walt



Re: Another UTLX Tank

Douglas Harding
 

I have the original slide from the Jim Sands collection and 4000 dpi scan of UTLX 58041. I have created a new photo album “Sands Photos” in the group photos and posted the image. Now we will see if Yahoo cooperates and the moderators approve.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Another UTLX Tank

Bruce Smith
 

Garth,

4K? I'm trying to figure out what this is in reference to? It isn't a 4K gallon car, it isn't in 4xxx number series... were there 4,000 of them built?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:11 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Another UTLX Tank

Friends,

I just ran across another photo of one of those 4K UTLX tank cars in the
Jim Sands collection:
http://jimsands2.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72875 . The
photo is dated 1969, and as a bonus, there is a readable number of
another of these in the photo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


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Re: Car weight question

Bruce Smith
 

Tom,

I'm trying to figure out the genesis of your comment, made as it were in a thread on box car weighing.  Your AOX comment is a hint that you are thinking about tankcars, which as Tony points out, are a special case and were not based on private vs RR ownership, but on the measure used in the tariff.  AFAIK private owner boxcars, refrigerators, flats, etc... were reweighed on the regular schedule that applied to cars of their specific type of manufacture.  There was no distinction between privately owned and railroad owned cars in this case.  

We tend to  be pretty dogmatic about the time frames allowed for this, but there are examples of cars that did escape reweighing for some time after they were due.  However, one of two things usually happened with such a car.  Either the shipper refused it, or the interchanging railroad recognized the out-of-date reweigh and reweighed the car, charging the owner.  Rumor has it that some railroads viewed this as "easy money".  

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 11:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Car weight question



Private owner cars are relightweighed at the owner’s discretion, not on a schedule. The AOX car in Bartlesville apparently was never relightweighed from building in 1914 to end of life sometime in or after 1969.

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 8:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car weight question

 

 

I'm looking at a certain class of boxcar that was built with 3 different
styles of trucks through it's series. ASF A-3, Sullin and Buckeye trucks.
Would there have been enough difference in the weight of the different
trucks to have the different build orders show different "Light weight"
stencils on the cars? Pierre Oliver

 

To me, Pierre wins the rivet counting award of the month  ;  )) The Brass Rivet trophy.

I have copies of car cards with their reweighs, places and dates. Don’t think I’ve ever matched them where going a model. Never even thought of it, but Pierre did!

 

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



Another UTLX Tank

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I just ran across another photo of one of those 4K UTLX tank cars in the Jim Sands collection: http://jimsands2.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=72875 . The photo is dated 1969, and as a bonus, there is a readable number of another of these in the photo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff