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Re: Some freight car images for your enjoyment

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"PRR steel boxcar (maybe class X25) receiving patch panels...
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3958
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3957

Obviously Class X25. The ends, end sills, and jacking pads at the bolsters are the dead giveaways that this isn't an X29.

"I'm not sure what this is...
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/2224

Caption's a howler. NOT A BOXCAR at all, but a Class H30 covered hopper. Car number should have made it obvious.


Ben Hom


Some freight car images for your enjoyment

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Some freight car images for your enjoyment. Something here for everyone, I would suspect...


PRR USRA (X26) single sheathed boxcar undergoing refurbishment...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3959
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3409
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3415
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3416


Fleischmann wood tank car - is this car 36ft long?

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/4506


PRR steel boxcar (maybe class X25) receiving patch panels...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3958
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/3957


Paired PRR class GRa gondolas with shifted load of channel stock

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/391
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/392
http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/393


PRR turn-of-the-century (no not the recent one) gondola...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/25



I'm not sure what this is...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/2224


PRR class X23 boxcar receiving 'boots'...

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/1154


Image of truck

http://cdm16038.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15017coll8/id/1104



Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: very early UP steel gondola

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This is a very interesting photo, and there is lots of great stuff. Of particular interest to me is the UP caboose with the wood-beam passenger-type trucks. I actually saw this car, or one much like it, on my second train trip across country as a lad around 1962 on the City of San Francisco. I have a photo of it, but the image is badly blurred and very small. Wasn't this car, or one like it, held for preservation? I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of these with the passenger trucks was used on a Wyoming branch line mixed train, and might have been unique.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/10/14 5:58 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

It is a very unusual design and the lack of lettering suggests that it is in company service:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock




Re: Carmer Cut Levers (was: Intermountain USRA Gondola)

arved_grass
 

Thank you!

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 12/10/14, Bbear746@aol.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Carmer Cut Levers (was: Intermountain USRA Gondola)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 1:15 PM

Here is the last email
address he posted

freestatesystems1@comcast.net



Jeff Coleman


Re: Prototoype Rails clinics

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Jeff and in my case you can drop the O as a first name for me...please, it is so formal.  Yes it is officially my first name but I go by Fenton.  Remember you can't pick your parents.
Thanks

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:54 AM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

For those of you who were wondering what clinics would be presented at Prototype Rails 2015 in Cocoa Beach, FL: wonder no more!

 

See http://prototyperails.com/Clinic%20Descriptions%20r02.pdf .

 

And for overall info about Prototype Rails, see www.prototyperails.com .

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:31 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

Fenton,

 

               I really believe that you MUST attend the clinics on “SRR Early Pulpwood Cars”.  The clinic is a brief history of the pulpwood industry (1930's through the 1950's), the cars used to transport it, and how to model them.  It even includes a section on operations - how a modeler might model the pick-up and loading of the cars and the industries that they were delivered to.  Photos and drawings of the prototype and finished models are shown as well.

 

               In fact, I think you must attend both showings of this clinic – you’re the presenter!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

P.S. I’ll try to get the descriptions of ALL of the clinics to our webmaster so everyone can see what we have lined up.  Keep an eye on www.prototyperails.com for updates.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

More shameless promotion, can it get any better?  Now 2 must see clinics

 

--

Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...




--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: Carmer Cut Levers (was: Intermountain USRA Gondola)

Jeff Coleman
 

Here is the last email address he posted
freestatesystems1@...

Jeff Coleman


-----Original Message-----
From: Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 1:08 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Carmer Cut Levers (was: Intermountain USRA Gondola)

 
That reminds me...

Free State Systems used to produce Carmer cut levers, but I can't find them on the web anymore. Are they still in business, and if so, how would I order them?. Otherwise, I may have to ask Keith at Plano if he'll produce them, and if not, sigh... etch them myself.

I need the cut levers for my SP G-50-9 and G-50-12 (Ulrich GS drop bottom gondolas) and C-30-1 cabooses.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Tue, 12/9/14, 'Nelson Moyer' ku0a@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain USRA Gondola
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 4:13 PM

I was glad to see
Intermountain offer gondolas in CB&Q lettering until I
did a little research. CB&Q Class GA-15 USRA composite
gondolas in series 188750-188999 were first built in 1919,
and for the next twenty years they were used extensively in
coal service. They were built with KD brakes, Miner
staff-type hand brake, Carmer uncoupling levers, eight drop
bottom doors, and Andrews trucks. 528 cars were rebuilt in
1927-28 by installing new wood floors and reducing the
number of drop bottom doors from eight to four, and the cars
that were not rebuilt were renumbered in the 164500-164999
series. All cars were rebuilt again in 1935-36 by removing
15 in. from the bottom of the sides, with the result that
the capacity went from 50 tons to 40 tons, and the diagonal
braces no longer met the vertical braces along the bottom of
the cars. Rebuilt cars had solid wood floors. The original
Murphy ends were replaced with Dreadnaught ends on some of
these cars. These cars were renumbered in the 88310-88311
and 88350-88949 series by dropping the 1 from the original
number series. None of these cars appear in the 1953 ORER.
Six car numbers from the original 1919 number series are
available from Intermountain, but unless you model earlier
than 1936, these cars lettered CB&Q are foobies.  The need is for credible
GS-6/7/8 composite gondolas and GS-1/2 steel rebuilds, now
that these cars are no longer available from Sunshine.  Nelson Moyer  
















Posted by: "Nelson Moyer"
<ku0a@...>



Re: very early UP steel gondola

Tony Thompson
 

Is that a Hart gondola? It appears to have a hopper-style drop bottom.


    Not THAT early, delivered in 1913. And not a Hart car; it's a Bettendorf design, SP Class W-50-4 (not sure if UP used the same class number, though their CS system was the same). It's a ballast car, and never did have much lettering.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Carmer Cut Levers (was: Intermountain USRA Gondola)

arved_grass
 

That reminds me...

Free State Systems used to produce Carmer cut levers, but I can't find them on the web anymore. Are they still in business, and if so, how would I order them?. Otherwise, I may have to ask Keith at Plano if he'll produce them, and if not, sigh... etch them myself.

I need the cut levers for my SP G-50-9 and G-50-12 (Ulrich GS drop bottom gondolas) and C-30-1 cabooses.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Tue, 12/9/14, 'Nelson Moyer' ku0a@mchsi.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain USRA Gondola
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 4:13 PM

I was glad to see
Intermountain offer gondolas in CB&Q lettering until I
did a little research. CB&Q Class GA-15 USRA composite
gondolas in series 188750-188999 were first built in 1919,
and for the next twenty years they were used extensively in
coal service. They were built with KD brakes, Miner
staff-type hand brake, Carmer uncoupling levers, eight drop
bottom doors, and Andrews trucks. 528 cars were rebuilt in
1927-28 by installing new wood floors and reducing the
number of drop bottom doors from eight to four, and the cars
that were not rebuilt were renumbered in the 164500-164999
series. All cars were rebuilt again in 1935-36 by removing
15 in. from the bottom of the sides, with the result that
the capacity went from 50 tons to 40 tons, and the diagonal
braces no longer met the vertical braces along the bottom of
the cars. Rebuilt cars had solid wood floors. The original
Murphy ends were replaced with Dreadnaught ends on some of
these cars. These cars were renumbered in the 88310-88311
and 88350-88949 series by dropping the 1 from the original
number series. None of these cars appear in the 1953 ORER.
Six car numbers from the original 1919 number series are
available from Intermountain, but unless you model earlier
than 1936, these cars lettered CB&Q are foobies.  The need is for credible
GS-6/7/8 composite gondolas and GS-1/2 steel rebuilds, now
that these cars are no longer available from Sunshine.  Nelson Moyer  
















Posted by: "Nelson Moyer"
<ku0a@mchsi.com>


Re: M-K-T SS double-door box car

arved_grass
 

Don't hold your breath. Nearly two years ago, Steve told at least a few of us that a Harriman baggage car was going to follow the B&O C-15 baggage car. It has yet to be formally announced, let alone produced.

I don't mean this to be a criticism. Just that we all need to be realistic about things. I'm not ready to call his announcement "vaporware." I'm not even ready to ask him about it next month. Just take what he and others say with a grain of salt. Owl Mountain Models has also announced a very ambitious line of Southern Pacific models that hasn't seen the light of day for quite some time. In my experience, shaming a manufacturer, especially a cottage industry manufacturer like F&C or Owl Mountain Models, doesn't do the hobby any good.

Patience isn't just a virtue - it's a way of life as a modeler.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 12/9/14, Bill Keene wakeene@cox.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] M-K-T SS double-door box car
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 3:04 PM

Bill & Group,
There is a Santa Claus!  Or at
least a Santa Steve!  Thanks for the good news.
Cheers & Happy
Modeling,Bill
KeeneIrvine,
CA

On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:18 AM,
'pardiew001@hawaii.rr.com'
PARDIEW001@HAWAII.RR.COM
[STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Brad:
There are excellent photos in
Richard's Focus On Freight Cars as noted.  Also Steve
Funaro told me that he will do this car as a kit next year.
  This came out in a discussion at Naperville this year
when I was buying another of his kits in order to get the
ends fot the M-K-T
car.  This miggt move along faster if others interested
would contact him.
Bill Pardie

Sent from my
Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


Prototoype Rails clinics

Aley, Jeff A
 

For those of you who were wondering what clinics would be presented at Prototype Rails 2015 in Cocoa Beach, FL: wonder no more!

 

See http://prototyperails.com/Clinic%20Descriptions%20r02.pdf .

 

And for overall info about Prototype Rails, see www.prototyperails.com .

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:31 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

Fenton,

 

               I really believe that you MUST attend the clinics on “SRR Early Pulpwood Cars”.  The clinic is a brief history of the pulpwood industry (1930's through the 1950's), the cars used to transport it, and how to model them.  It even includes a section on operations - how a modeler might model the pick-up and loading of the cars and the industries that they were delivered to.  Photos and drawings of the prototype and finished models are shown as well.

 

               In fact, I think you must attend both showings of this clinic – you’re the presenter!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’15

 

P.S. I’ll try to get the descriptions of ALL of the clinics to our webmaster so everyone can see what we have lined up.  Keep an eye on www.prototyperails.com for updates.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 7:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xxtreme Modeling presentation

 

 

More shameless promotion, can it get any better?  Now 2 must see clinics

 

--

Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Cocoa roommate wanted

Jared Harper
 

My friend Sandy Bridges wants a roommate for Cocoa Beach.  Since I already have a roommate I thought I would post Sandy's request to this list.  Sandy is a great guy, a lawyer from South Carolina, with whom I have roomed before.  If you want to share a room contact Sandy directly.  His e-mail is smb@....

Thanks.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: very early UP steel gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

Gary

Is that a Hart gondola? It appears to have a hopper-style drop bottom.

Tim O'Connor
somewhat north of Mike Brock


   It is a very unusual design and the lack of lettering suggests that it is in company service:
   http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1950-Jun-Cache-Jct-and/i-bbZ5VHd/A
   gary laakso


very early UP steel gondola

gary laakso
 

It is a very unusual design and the lack of lettering suggests that it is in company service:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: M-K-T SS double-door box car

Thomas Baker
 

​Al,


Yes, it is exactly what I have been seeking.  Thank you very much.   I still do not know what the lettering just to the left of the left door says, but other than that this is what I need.


Tom Baker


From: STMFC@... on behalf of Allan Smith smithal9@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 9:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: M-K-T SS double-door box car
 


The photo is in Train Shed Cyclopedia No.3 page 139.
As close as I can read the lettering to the right is EW 9FT 7IN
                                                                              EH 13FT 8IN
                                                                              IL 40FT 6IN
                                                                              IW 9FT 0IN
                                                                              IH 10FT 0IN
                                                                              CUFT3682
                                                                             BRADFORD GEAR
                                                                             CLASS XA
To the left reads CAPA CITY 100000
                            LOAD LIMIT 117300
                            LT. WT. 51700
                            NEW 3-27
BLT AT MKT SHOPS ????? TEX

I can't read or don't know where the MKT shops were in Texas. If someone has that info you can fill in that town name.

The doors are 12' staggered.

Hope this helps

Al Smith Sonora CA



Re: What class of FGEX reefers had the curved grabs instead of ladders?

Bill Welch
 

By curved Gary, do you mean Drop Grabs. If so these are AC&F built cars, what Al Westerfield calls the Type I. FGE was their third owner, coming from NYO&W. I don't know who the original owner was. I am building one using AW's kit with a scratch-built Hutchins roof and new ends, and a batten strip along the bottom of the sides.

Bill Welch


Re: questions regarding late PFE R-70-2 cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Tony -- the photo shows the roof edge-on so it's not at all
obvious what style that hatch cover was.

Tim O'

I'd like to know as well, since my first R-70-2 was built with the hatch platforms. But whether the replacement "integral ice hatches" were the Equipco style used on R-40-23 and subsequent classes or were more like the R-40-10 hatches, I do not know -- and Tony's PFE book doesn't say. I've never seen a good photo of the roof of one of the late R-70-2 cars.

       The book does show a photo of an R-70-2 car with hatch platforms removed (page 125) and the photo caption mentions the integral hatches, which were indeed of the Equipco style. Several parts makers, including InterMountain, have produced this hatch cover, and you could even clean up an Athearn hatch cover to use.

Tony Thompson  


Re: M-K-T SS double-door box car

Allan Smith
 

The photo is in Train Shed Cyclopedia No.3 page 139.
As close as I can read the lettering to the right is EW 9FT 7IN
                                                                              EH 13FT 8IN
                                                                              IL 40FT 6IN
                                                                              IW 9FT 0IN
                                                                              IH 10FT 0IN
                                                                              CUFT3682
                                                                             BRADFORD GEAR
                                                                             CLASS XA
To the left reads CAPA CITY 100000
                            LOAD LIMIT 117300
                            LT. WT. 51700
                            NEW 3-27
BLT AT MKT SHOPS ????? TEX

I can't read or don't know where the MKT shops were in Texas. If someone has that info you can fill in that town name.

The doors are 12' staggered.

Hope this helps

Al Smith Sonora CA


Re: another y'all (L&C) box car

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Rich and Tim,

Walthers set 126-10 was all-white for L&C BCR cars. I have one still sealed in its envelope, but my experience with old Walthers decals has not been exactly stunning.  Herald King also did B-640, with much better quality. I still have the remnants of that set. I was planning on doing one of the L&C's ex-BS PS-1s with the drop sill and 9' door, if I can find a photo of such a car in BCR. I don't know if anyone ever did the two-color scheme.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/9/14 7:06 PM, Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Tim, I believe Walthers did a decal set many moons ago.

Rich Christie


On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:46 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Like their Ten Su's, likely ex-Southern Railway. I have photos of the in BCR.

Bill Welch




Re: another y'all (L&C) box car

Rich C
 

Tim, I believe Walthers did a decal set many moons ago.

Rich Christie


On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:46 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Like their Ten Su's, likely ex-Southern Railway. I have photos of the in BCR.

Bill Welch



What class of FGEX reefers had the curved grabs instead of ladders?

gary laakso
 

Herron’s PRR Glory Vol 3 features some very early, circa 1937, color film and one sequence has a wood sided FGEX reefer with curved grab irons instead of ladders but I cannot make out the car number.  If It was mentioned in Bill Welsh’s “The Wooden Sheathed Cars of the FGEX/WFEX?BREX Freight Refrigerator Fleet: 1940-1953”, I missed it. 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock

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