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Re: SR pulpwood car

O Fenton Wells
 

Robert,  In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER. I can find no correlation between the MR article and an actual SR rack.  My guess is that this was based off the 116xxx and 117xxx cars that SR rebuilt from flat cars.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced? It is a nice model but it tells you how far we have come in prototype modeling.

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends. Yes these were built in 1951 from the 148xxx series 40 foot double door boxcars from 1924 for the SR (Sunshine did the boxcar in HO a few years back).  WrighTrak does the pulpwood rack today in HO).
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:25 PM, dssa1051@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced?

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends.

Robert Oom




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SR pulpwood car

dssa1051
 

In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced?

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends.

Robert Oom


Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <vasa0vasa@...> wrote :

Some interesting car ends:
 
Erie:
 
 
These ends are illustrated in the 1922 CBC on the Chicago-Cleveland pages as the "Indestructible Car End". It's not clear if they were marketed as replacements, or for new construction, probably both. While a pair of heavy structural steel Zees was a pretty common arrangement, the Chicago-Cleveland design included an extra heavy end top plate with diagonal tie bars under the roof in an attmept to provide a better anchorage for the top of these posts, and transfer the load further back along the car side. In reality, they were likely only marginally better than other vertical post designs, and were soon eclipsed by the various pressed steel ends.

Dennis Storzek


Ben Hom

Richard Townsend
 

Ben Hom please contact me off list.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
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Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Thanks Bill and Eric


Bill, yes, I  believe modellers have used the Accurail version of that car as a stand-in for the CN&L car.  I'm wondering what you think the width of the car would be if it conformed more to the 1916 Canadian car design. Mr Hendrickson's article in the Feb 1993 RMJ mentioned inside widths of 9' and 8'6" so I suppose I might conclude that an outer width of 8'9" is reasonable?


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

London


Poultry Palace Car on film

gary laakso
 

Vintage Video;s Western Pacific, 1910-1960 includes a scene with a Poultry Palace car placed in mid street for unloading in Oakland, California.  The year is not specified, however, the autos suggest that it could be the late 1920s or early 1930s.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] foreign road stock cars
 
 

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

     I have a photo of one from Arnold Menke, PPWX 100, lettered "Pacific Wholesale Poultry Co., Petaluma, Calif."
 
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Re: foreign road stock cars

Tony Thompson
 

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

     I have a photo of one from Arnold Menke, PPWX 100, lettered "Pacific Wholesale Poultry Co., Petaluma, Calif."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: foreign road stock cars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian


On Monday, December 22, 2014 12:24 PM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 


Ed Mines wrote:
"I would think most livestock would be slaughtered before being shipped east. Apparently not."

No, and eastbound stock traffic actually increased on the PRR and other eastern roads during the late 1950s and early 1960s as trains were run on fast schedules to eliminate the need for feed and watering stops. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue or Railroad Model Craftsman.

Ben Hom




GN 50' SS box cars

ed_mines
 

Several of these cars appear in an episode of the 1950s TV show "Highway Patrol". I noticed they have the less common Pratt trusses (diagonals are at the car bottom adjacent to the door{s}). I see the same thing on the models offered by Westerfield.


On page 193 of Ted Cullotta's plastic cover, spiral bound box car book it shows a similar car with the more common Howe trusses (diagonal braces at the top of the car adjacent to the door).


Were the diagonals changed?


Comments?


Ed Mines


Re: foreign road stock cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"I would think most livestock would be slaughtered before being shipped east. Apparently not."

No, and eastbound stock traffic actually increased on the PRR and other eastern roads during the late 1950s and early 1960s as trains were run on fast schedules to eliminate the need for feed and watering stops. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue or Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


Re: foreign road stock cars

ed_mines
 

I would think most livestock would be slaughtered before being shipped east.  Apparently not.


Ed


Allen Flush Car Door

Rhbale@...
 

I'm searching for information, including an image, of an Allen Flush Door as applied to boxcars in the early 1900s.
 
Thanks,
 
Richard Bale


Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

David
 

There are a few more shots showing that NS flat in the background.

Is this one of those flat-end URTX steel reefers?

A Great Image

 



David Thompson


Re: Digest Number 9193

Brian Termunde
 



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Actually that's an early Salt Lake Utah Transit Authority attempt at heavy rail transit! Sending the buses via freight railroads between Ogden, Salt Lake City and Provo. It actually proved to be faster then the current Front Runner service! And more dependable too! ; )

However, I probably should wait until April 1st, 2015 to send this...

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT
 
"My Train of Thought left the station without me!"



Some (early) Steam Era freight cars

Brian Termunde
 

These photos were posted on the Los Angeles Junction Railway list by Bob Chaparro and I hoped that they might be of some interest to this group... 

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT
 
"My Train of Thought left the station without me!"


-----Original Message-----
From: thecitrusbelt@... [LAJRy]
To: LAJRy
Sent: Mon, Dec 22, 2014 12:23 am
Subject: [LAJRy] Illinois Pacific Glass Company

 
Was Illinois Pacific Glass Company served by the LAJ?  
 
It appears this is not an earlier name for the Owens-Illinois Glass Company, which was served by the LAJ. 

The earliest Kerr Jars were made for Kerr by Illinois Pacific Glass Company.
 
These two photos, dated 1927 and circa 1930, show the Pacific Glass Company plant located somewhere in Los Angeles.
 
 
 
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Bill Welch
 

I have a photo of 2530 in my collection so it must have been a larger group although I have not checked my ORER. I would argue that the cars are more derivative of the CN cars built circa 1916 from which the USRA 50-ton car was arguably derived.  CN&L cars were 6-inches shorter than USRA cars.

Bill Welch


Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Eric Lombard
 

Ben, if no one can come up with an equipment diagram or drawing with definitive dimensions you might consider the following.

ACL 49700-50199, and C&WC 8596-8695, class O-16, were built by TCI in 1925  (a known stencil date of 6-1925) as was CN&L 2500-2524 (a known stencil date of 7-1925). Pho,tos of all these cars show the same construction detail. On single-sheathed cars, the outer surface of the wood sheathing is in the same plane as the outer surface of the side sill. See:
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/c-n-and-l-columbia-newberry-and-laurens-box-car-2501;rad

The O-16 cars were rebuilt with steel sheathing to classes O-16-A through F. Equipment diagrams for these rebuilt cars indicate a dimension of 8'-8 1/2" over the (presumably original) side sills.

If one is comfortable with the logic train here then the base plane width of the CN&L cars is 8'-8 1/2" to which, on each side, the posts and braces, door, ladders, and grabs would be added.

Eric L
Homewood, IL

Photos

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:35 AM, benjaminscanlon@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hi all

I think the series ran from 2500-2524. I am trying to establish the overall width of these cars which were similar in some respects to USRA s/s cars, but had rather different pattern bracing and 7/8 Murphy ends. Thanks to Rob K, we now have some appropriate ends in TT.

Regards

Ben Scanlon
London



CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Hi all

I think the series ran from 2500-2524. I am trying to establish the overall width of these cars which were similar in some respects to USRA s/s cars, but had rather different pattern bracing and 7/8 Murphy ends. Thanks to Rob K, we now have some appropriate ends in TT.

Regards

Ben Scanlon
London


reefer vs reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

Tim O'Connor
 

And a whole freight train, model layout sized, in one shot! :-)
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1949-Apr-Salt-Lake-City/i-bPNDV9T/X3

Tim O'

That web site can be addicting -- and it's fun to look for interesting stuff
that is not the main subject of the photo.

For example, a Norfolk Southern flat car loaded with a municipal electric bus!!
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1949-Apr-Salt-Lake-City/i-xjKmGxp/X3

Tim O'Connor

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