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Re: foreign road stock cars

SUVCWORR@...
 


In 1952 the PRR was carrying live poultry on train FW-8 in block 5 as it was reclassed at Enola destined for the Live Poultry Terminal in Long Island City.  Which specific cars I cannot verify.

FW-8 originated in Chicago added additional livestock in Fort Wayne and Crestline as well as deliver liverstock to both locations.  Another block of livestock was dropped at Canton Ohio.  Remaining livestock was fed and watered at Pittsburgh Joint Stock Yards.  Train was reclassed when leaving Pittsburgh and reclassed again in Enola where cars for the Reading and local locations were cut out.

Leaving Enola block 5 contained live poultry.  From the make-up of trains I cannot determine where the live poultry originated.  It is only specifically mentioned in the make-up leaving Enola.

The November 26, 1954 revision of the make-up of FW-8 shows the live poultry as part of block 9 leaving Herr's Island (Pittsburgh Joint Stock Yards) with a destination of the live poultry terminal in Long Island. Again the origin cannot be determined as cars in the train originate in several locations and there were connections with trains from Columbus and St Louis in Pittsburgh.

Rich Orr


Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

Benjamin Hom
 

"lajrmdlr@..." wrote:
"Got #9 buckshot at a local gun shop about 15 years ago. Back then it cost $25.00 for 25 lb. Wonder if it can still be purchased given all the hoopla about lead these days."

You can get it from McMaster-Carr.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#lead-balls/=v51cyk


Ben Hom


Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

Is there any chance you can get the weights as s[are parts from Red Caboose? If not the sheet lead makes the most sense.
 
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On Monday, December 22, 2014 4:56 PM, "lajrmdlr@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Got #9 buckshot at a local gun shop about 15 years ago. Back then it cost $25.00 for 25 lb. Wonder if it can still be purchased given all the hoopla about lead these days. Have foung all kinds f lead tire weights jus walking around town.. But Lead being so pliable, just about any shape can be pounded flat.



Re: Poultry Palace Car on film

Douglas Harding
 


Re: SR pulpwood car

water.kresse@...
 

The C&O later purchased some of them from SR.
Al Kresse


From: "dssa1051@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:43:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SR pulpwood car

 

Thanks, for the very prompt answer.


Robert Oom



Re: GN 50' SS box cars

Staffan Ehnbom
 

The Howe truss cars were built in 1924-1926. Later cars built in 1926-1929 were Pratt truss.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:29 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Several of these cars appear in an episode of the 1950s TV show "Highway Patrol". I noticed they have the less common Pratt trusses (diagonals are at the car bottom adjacent to the door{s}). I see the same thing on the models offered by Westerfield.


On page 193 of Ted Cullotta's plastic cover, spiral bound box car book it shows a similar car with the more common Howe trusses (diagonal braces at the top of the car adjacent to the door).


Were the diagonals changed?


Comments?


Ed Mines



Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

destorzek@...
 

Sounds too narrow to me for cars built that late.. USRA single sheathed cars were 8'-9" wide over the sills, and 9'-4" over the eaves. The double sheathed cars were onlt 8'-6" wide over the sills, but the wall system was thicker and were 9'-3 1/4" over the siding. Both were 8'-6" wide inside. Other cars of the era were similar.

Ben, you keep talking about designing patterns for cars in TT scale, but you don't have squat for reference material. At least buy the 1922 Car Builder'[s Cyclopedia reprint available on CD from Rail Driver.

RailDriver | Historic Cyclopedias

 


It will give you a lot of background if nothing else.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

 

Got #9 buckshot at a local gun shop about 15 years ago. Back then it cost $25.00 for 25 lb. Wonder if it can still be purchased given all the hoopla about lead these days. Have foung all kinds f lead tire weights jus walking around town.. But Lead being so pliable, just about any shape can be pounded flat.


Re: SR pulpwood car

dssa1051
 

Thanks, for the very prompt answer.

Robert Oom


Re: foreign road stock cars

dssa1051
 

Looking at photos in various books it's easy to find NYC stock cars on the B&O on Sand Patch and ATSF stock cars on the PRR on Horseshoe Curve.  I think stock cars may have roamed nearly as much as boxcars did.

Robert Oom


Re: SR pulpwood car

O Fenton Wells
 

Robert,  In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER. I can find no correlation between the MR article and an actual SR rack.  My guess is that this was based off the 116xxx and 117xxx cars that SR rebuilt from flat cars.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced? It is a nice model but it tells you how far we have come in prototype modeling.

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends. Yes these were built in 1951 from the 148xxx series 40 foot double door boxcars from 1924 for the SR (Sunshine did the boxcar in HO a few years back).  WrighTrak does the pulpwood rack today in HO).
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:25 PM, dssa1051@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced?

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends.

Robert Oom




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SR pulpwood car

dssa1051
 

In the February 1956 Model Railroader there is an O scale construction article for a Southern pulpwood car that appears to be a 10 stake pocket flat car with bulkhead ends and low wooden sides attached.  The number used on the model does not match any Southern flat cars or LP cars in the January 1952 ORER or January 1957 ORER.

Is the car accurate and numbered incorrectly or actually a model of a car from another road?  The modeling is very nice even by today's standards but is the car freelanced?

Speaking of reversed dreadnaught ends the Southern made pulpwood cars from boxcars with reversed dreadnaught ends.

Robert Oom


Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <vasa0vasa@...> wrote :

Some interesting car ends:
 
Erie:
 
 
These ends are illustrated in the 1922 CBC on the Chicago-Cleveland pages as the "Indestructible Car End". It's not clear if they were marketed as replacements, or for new construction, probably both. While a pair of heavy structural steel Zees was a pretty common arrangement, the Chicago-Cleveland design included an extra heavy end top plate with diagonal tie bars under the roof in an attmept to provide a better anchorage for the top of these posts, and transfer the load further back along the car side. In reality, they were likely only marginally better than other vertical post designs, and were soon eclipsed by the various pressed steel ends.

Dennis Storzek


Ben Hom

Richard Townsend
 

Ben Hom please contact me off list.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
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Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Thanks Bill and Eric


Bill, yes, I  believe modellers have used the Accurail version of that car as a stand-in for the CN&L car.  I'm wondering what you think the width of the car would be if it conformed more to the 1916 Canadian car design. Mr Hendrickson's article in the Feb 1993 RMJ mentioned inside widths of 9' and 8'6" so I suppose I might conclude that an outer width of 8'9" is reasonable?


Regards,


Ben Scanlon

London


Poultry Palace Car on film

gary laakso
 

Vintage Video;s Western Pacific, 1910-1960 includes a scene with a Poultry Palace car placed in mid street for unloading in Oakland, California.  The year is not specified, however, the autos suggest that it could be the late 1920s or early 1930s.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] foreign road stock cars
 
 

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

     I have a photo of one from Arnold Menke, PPWX 100, lettered "Pacific Wholesale Poultry Co., Petaluma, Calif."
 
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Re: foreign road stock cars

Tony Thompson
 

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

     I have a photo of one from Arnold Menke, PPWX 100, lettered "Pacific Wholesale Poultry Co., Petaluma, Calif."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: foreign road stock cars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas

If anyone can add info on Poultry Car movements it would be grand.    I have learned these cars ran in California as well as out of the Midwest to East Coast markets.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian


On Monday, December 22, 2014 12:24 PM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 


Ed Mines wrote:
"I would think most livestock would be slaughtered before being shipped east. Apparently not."

No, and eastbound stock traffic actually increased on the PRR and other eastern roads during the late 1950s and early 1960s as trains were run on fast schedules to eliminate the need for feed and watering stops. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue or Railroad Model Craftsman.

Ben Hom




GN 50' SS box cars

ed_mines
 

Several of these cars appear in an episode of the 1950s TV show "Highway Patrol". I noticed they have the less common Pratt trusses (diagonals are at the car bottom adjacent to the door{s}). I see the same thing on the models offered by Westerfield.


On page 193 of Ted Cullotta's plastic cover, spiral bound box car book it shows a similar car with the more common Howe trusses (diagonal braces at the top of the car adjacent to the door).


Were the diagonals changed?


Comments?


Ed Mines


Re: foreign road stock cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"I would think most livestock would be slaughtered before being shipped east. Apparently not."

No, and eastbound stock traffic actually increased on the PRR and other eastern roads during the late 1950s and early 1960s as trains were run on fast schedules to eliminate the need for feed and watering stops. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue or Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom

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