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Re: Poultry Palace Car on film

earlyrail
 

Even the railroads had poultry cars.
At least the Southern and either the Lackawana or Erie that I know of.

Howard Garner
Re: Poultry Palace Car on film

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Doug,

This was a very interesting story. Thanks much.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/22/14 8:35 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Garth if you read the history of Poultry cars at http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/  you will learn that by 1950 only 15 poultry cars existed and the last shipment of poultry by rail was in 1956. No doubt it took the AAR a while to update their listings. After all the AAR was a committee and you know how quickly committees work. And I am sure you know ORER listings are only as good as what was provided by car owners, and some citations are known to be well out of date.

The history also covers the consolidations of the various Poultry transit companies into North American Car Co. by 1930. In 1944 North American sold their poultry cars to Poultry Transit Co.

 

Seems to me a few years ago someone did a clinic on Poultry Cars at Naperville. Unfortunately I did not get to see it, just saw it listed on the schedule.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

Benjamin Hom
 

Brad Andonian asked:
"Is this a wood 36' car?"
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1269496

No. It is clearly a 40 ft car - compare its proportions with the express X29 on the next track.


Ben Hom
Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I will buy that Cyclopedia, Dennis.  I was not aware of it, and you may not believe it but that's the first time any one has suggested it.


Ben Scanlon

London
Re: Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Greg Martin
 

Nelson,
 
The original thread was an issue over mixing Krylon with other brands of paints with dissimilar vehicles. This is dicey regardless. Moral of the story don't mix them with Krylon.   
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/22/2014 9:05:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
Not yet. I painted a CB&Q SSS baggage car with Krylon Flat Aluminum and sealed the custom inkjet printed shadowline decals with Krylon Crystal Clear. Three years later, all is well.

Nelson Moyer
Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

Dennis Storzek
 

You're kidding. In this day and age, if you walk in through the front door, the suits are going to want to charge you an hour at shop rate to even write up an order, and that's $60-$70 right there.

Find a sheet metal fabricating shop, hopefully one that does electrical enclosures, and walk in the back and ask for the foreman. If he's a nice guy, and they use suitable material, maybe he'll send the apprentice scrounging through the scrap bin for a "drop", and have him cut your weights on the power shear for a couple bucks to put in the coffee kitty.

But it's really easier to order some sheet lead and do them yourself with a scissors.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Not yet. I painted a CB&Q SSS baggage car with Krylon Flat Aluminum and sealed the custom inkjet printed shadowline decals with Krylon Crystal Clear. Three years later, all is well.



Nelson Moyer



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint





I have a can of Krylon solely for use for "fixing" home-made decals after they come out of the laser printer. This is what MicroMark recommends with their decal paper.

Has anyone had a problem with this application of Krylon?

Thanks.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





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Re: foreign road stock cars

Jonathan Pansius
 

Don Ball in Kansas City has extensive information about live poultry cars and their operation, which he kindly sent me some time ago, and which is on my old computer.  It might be best to contact him directly if you can though I could transfer the data if that fails.  I don't know what Don's plans for publication might be.

Jon Pansius, Tulsa
Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

Ken Braden
 

You can also try a local machine shop. They can order the correct size and cut it to length for you.

 

Ken Braden

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose flat car weights

 

 

Got lead shot in California recently for about the same price.

 

Bill Vaughn

 

On Monday, December 22, 2014 3:35 PM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 



"lajrmdlr@..." wrote:
"Got #9 buckshot at a local gun shop about 15 years ago. Back then it cost $25.00 for 25 lb. Wonder if it can still be purchased given all the hoopla about lead these days."

You can get it from McMaster-Carr.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#lead-balls/=v51cyk

Ben Hom

 
Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

Is this a wood 36' car?

At Dec 22, 2014, 6:01:46 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]<'STMFC@...'> wrote:












Dennis, this is an even better photo of that type of Erie box car

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1269496



Tim O'Connor
Re: car end Sunday plus some other pictures of interest

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis, this is an even better photo of that type of Erie box car
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1269496

Tim O'Connor
Re: Poultry Palace Car on film

Douglas Harding
 

Garth if you read the history of Poultry cars at http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/  you will learn that by 1950 only 15 poultry cars existed and the last shipment of poultry by rail was in 1956. No doubt it took the AAR a while to update their listings. After all the AAR was a committee and you know how quickly committees work. And I am sure you know ORER listings are only as good as what was provided by car owners, and some citations are known to be well out of date.

The history also covers the consolidations of the various Poultry transit companies into North American Car Co. by 1930. In 1944 North American sold their poultry cars to Poultry Transit Co.

 

Seems to me a few years ago someone did a clinic on Poultry Cars at Naperville. Unfortunately I did not get to see it, just saw it listed on the schedule.

 
Re: Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Dave Parker
 

 I have a can of Krylon solely for use for "fixing" home-made decals after they come out of the laser printer. This is what MicroMark recommends with their decal paper.

Has anyone had a problem with this application of Krylon?

Thanks.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
Re: Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee] wrote:

 
I will NEVER use Krylon on a model again.

Decades ago, I superdetailed an ABBA set of Athearn F7 units . . .

 I painted them with Floquil, and used Accucals and Accupaint for the yellow nose.  Lots of drying time between the two, and there wasn’t any reaction between the two paints or the decals and the Floquil black.  I overcoated them with Krylon, on the recommendation of a fellow club member.

 So after about two years or so, one day I took them out of the box and they felt a little “sticky.”  And then I noticed the fingerprints in the decals.  And the wrinkles in the stripes.  And then the fellow club member said “Oh, yeah, I’ve seen something like that on some of my models . . .”


   I'm happy to say I never had a tragedy like Schuyler describes, but I too have had problems in past years with Krylon. I too would recommend that it NOT be used for anything.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I will NEVER use Krylon on a model again.

 

Decades ago, I superdetailed an ABBA set of Athearn F7 units that I converted into the ERIE’s F5, 710 ABCD.  I really pulled out all the stops and they were really impressive, Protopowered, all four units and they could pull over 60 cars on the North Shore layout.  They have, of course, now been superseded by Genesis and other newer units.  I even got a large blue box that had foam in it, and they could be carried around in that box, just like a brass set.

 

I painted them with Floquil, and used Accucals and Accupaint for the yellow nose.  Lots of drying time between the two, and there wasn’t any reaction between the two paints or the decals and the Floquil black.  I overcoated them with Krylon, on the recommendation of a fellow club member.

 

So after about two years or so, one day I took them out of the box and they felt a little “sticky.”  And then I noticed the fingerprints in the decals.  And the wrinkles in the stripes.  And then the fellow club member said “Oh, yeah, I’ve seen something like that on some of my models . . .”

 

Hope someone can learn from my bitter experience.

 

Schuyler

 

 

I've been using Krylon clear flat finish in lieu of Testors Dull Coat
for awhile now with no problems. Saturday I prayed a Red Caboose 10,000
gallon tank car kit with it as part of the weathering process.

The Krylon reacted with the silver paint and "crinkled" it. The black
paint on the bottom of the tank and the frame along with the "Rustall" I
used on parts of the frame was fine.

I can't explain it, I had not had that trouble before, Just a heads up
to anyone looking to save a few bucks by using the Krylon.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
Re: Poultry Palace Car on film

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Doug,

You weren't kidding. I just rambled through the whole private owner section of my 1958 ORER, and found not one poultry car. Curiously, they were still listed among the descriptions of stock cars, and were classed by the AAR as "SP". I guess the AAR was slow to notice their disappearance. :~)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 12/22/14 6:07 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Brad here are some websites to check out. Poultry cars ran pretty much anywhere people raised or consumed poultry. Most of the cars were no longer in use by the 40’s.
Re: CN&L 2500 series s/s boxcar width

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I've been sent an ORER page indicating that the CN&L 2500-2524 and the later series 2525-2549 (which 2530 was part of) were 8'6" IH by 8'6" inner width ... so I'm assuming the outside width of the cars was probably more like 8'8 1/2" over the sheathing.  Same ORER gives a overall width over eaves of 9'3 1/2" which sounds sufficient for the bracing etc.   


Thanks to all


Ben Scanlon

London
Krylon clear flat v. Red Caboose silver paint

Jeffrey White
 

I've been using Krylon clear flat finish in lieu of Testors Dull Coat for awhile now with no problems. Saturday I prayed a Red Caboose 10,000 gallon tank car kit with it as part of the weathering process.

The Krylon reacted with the silver paint and "crinkled" it. The black paint on the bottom of the tank and the frame along with the "Rustall" I used on parts of the frame was fine.

I can't explain it, I had not had that trouble before, Just a heads up to anyone looking to save a few bucks by using the Krylon.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
Re: Red Caboose flat car weights

Bill Vaughn
 

Got lead shot in California recently for about the same price.

Bill Vaughn


On Monday, December 22, 2014 3:35 PM, "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 


"lajrmdlr@..." wrote:
"Got #9 buckshot at a local gun shop about 15 years ago. Back then it cost $25.00 for 25 lb. Wonder if it can still be purchased given all the hoopla about lead these days."

You can get it from McMaster-Carr.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#lead-balls/=v51cyk

Ben Hom
Re: foreign road stock cars

SUVCWORR@...
 


In 1952 the PRR was carrying live poultry on train FW-8 in block 5 as it was reclassed at Enola destined for the Live Poultry Terminal in Long Island City.  Which specific cars I cannot verify.

FW-8 originated in Chicago added additional livestock in Fort Wayne and Crestline as well as deliver liverstock to both locations.  Another block of livestock was dropped at Canton Ohio.  Remaining livestock was fed and watered at Pittsburgh Joint Stock Yards.  Train was reclassed when leaving Pittsburgh and reclassed again in Enola where cars for the Reading and local locations were cut out.

Leaving Enola block 5 contained live poultry.  From the make-up of trains I cannot determine where the live poultry originated.  It is only specifically mentioned in the make-up leaving Enola.

The November 26, 1954 revision of the make-up of FW-8 shows the live poultry as part of block 9 leaving Herr's Island (Pittsburgh Joint Stock Yards) with a destination of the live poultry terminal in Long Island. Again the origin cannot be determined as cars in the train originate in several locations and there were connections with trains from Columbus and St Louis in Pittsburgh.

Rich Orr
63241 - 63260 of 193493