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Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

Thomas Baker
 

Thorston,

 

The two-dome tank car I saw was near Frankfurt, and it was black and mounted, lying, or positioned closer to the ground.  Thank you for the photo.

 

Tom Baker

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Thorsten Petschallies t.petschallies@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: AW: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car
 


Tom,

a number of these cars were modified in the 1950s as a kind of presurised hopper cars for cement service.

(a search for KKd 49 in google pictures, reveals a glimpse of them)

After this use had ended, a number of them were in engine terminals for sand service, sometimes just the tank, see here

http://www.doku-des-alltags.de/BDMuenchen/Augsburg/AugsburgData/Bw%20Augsburg%207.jpg

That’s what I would think you saw.

Thorsten

 

 

 

Von: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Januar 2015 01:34
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Thorsten's explanation clarifies something that has mystified me for several years.  In 2000 I was leaving the Frankfurt-Bahnhof railway station enroute to Rothenburg ob der Tauber.  On the way out of the station I caught a glimpse of a two-dome tankcar.  The train was moving fast, so that I did not get a long enough look to determine whether the car still had its trucks, but seeing an American tankcar while riding the Deutsche Bahn threw me.  It didn't make sense.  So thanks for the clarification, Thorsten.

 

Tom Baker

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of Thorsten Petschallies t.petschallies@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: AW: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

Hello Richard,

the prototype cars were built for the USTC during WW2.

AFAIK, they were shipped as kits to Great Britain, assembled there and then brought over to Europe after D day.

They were taken over by a number of European railroads and private owners after the end of WW2, though I don’t have exact information.

Also the USTC used them for supply during the cold war.

 

Roco has taken over the Klein molds.

They have announced USTC and DB version as 2015 releases.

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?10,7246461

See pages 123 and 139.

 

Thorsten Petschallies

Hamburg, Germany

 

 

Von: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2015 22:51
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

I can only suggest you keep checking European ebay.

Paul Doggett UK

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung mobile


"richtownsend@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?

 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

 
Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

Thorsten Petschallies
 

Tom,

a number of these cars were modified in the 1950s as a kind of presurised hopper cars for cement service.

(a search for KKd 49 in google pictures, reveals a glimpse of them)

After this use had ended, a number of them were in engine terminals for sand service, sometimes just the tank, see here

http://www.doku-des-alltags.de/BDMuenchen/Augsburg/AugsburgData/Bw%20Augsburg%207.jpg

That’s what I would think you saw.

Thorsten

 

 

 

Von: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Januar 2015 01:34
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

Thorsten's explanation clarifies something that has mystified me for several years.  In 2000 I was leaving the Frankfurt-Bahnhof railway station enroute to Rothenburg ob der Tauber.  On the way out of the station I caught a glimpse of a two-dome tankcar.  The train was moving fast, so that I did not get a long enough look to determine whether the car still had its trucks, but seeing an American tankcar while riding the Deutsche Bahn threw me.  It didn't make sense.  So thanks for the clarification, Thorsten.

 

Tom Baker

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of Thorsten Petschallies t.petschallies@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: AW: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

Hello Richard,

the prototype cars were built for the USTC during WW2.

AFAIK, they were shipped as kits to Great Britain, assembled there and then brought over to Europe after D day.

They were taken over by a number of European railroads and private owners after the end of WW2, though I don’t have exact information.

Also the USTC used them for supply during the cold war.

 

Roco has taken over the Klein molds.

They have announced USTC and DB version as 2015 releases.

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?10,7246461

See pages 123 and 139.

 

Thorsten Petschallies

Hamburg, Germany

 

 

Von: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2015 22:51
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

I can only suggest you keep checking European ebay.

Paul Doggett UK

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung mobile


"richtownsend@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?

 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

 
Re: prototype for MDC truss-rod caboose?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Scott,

The MDC three-window caboose is fairly close to a common design built for/by the Gould-owned railroads: D&RG, WP, MP and possibly others. Many of these were sold off to shortlines including California's Sacramento Northern, Tidewater Southern, and Central California Traction Co.

The body casting is fairly close to photos in my collection, and to plans in the Gregg TRAINSHED CYCLOPEDIAS.  That said, the underframe/floor rides way too high (or the body rides too high on the underframe) throwing off the car's proportions, to clear the truck centers are set too far from the ends, the end platforms should be full width with tender-type steps, the cupola is too narrow for most prototype examples (but not all), and the detail parts are pretty crude. For most of the Gould-era cars, or their successors built to this design, the round roof casting and the standard cupola with the simple arched roof are the closest to prototype.

As has been pointed out, the "Bombay" cupola is similar to a CM car, and IIRC the Wabash had cars with this type of cupola.

I have two of these cars from the bad old days before we knew better, and a couple more in my unbuilt pile (I used to model the WP and SN). Someday I may build new underframes for these and see if I can get closer to the prototype. Finding the proper step castings was always the problem. I also shortened one into a Pere Marquette prototype when I did Nickle Plate. Now it is lettered for my Virginia Midland.

You can read about the SN cars purchased from the WP at http://www.wplives.org/sn/caboose.html . There are two photos of these cars in the "Post-merger section".

And by the way, these cabooses were NEVER known "Gould standard" cars. Unlike "Harriman standard", there is no corresponding term for the Gould common designs. I coined this term many years ago and used it in correspondence. Somehow it caught on and been used in various otherwise reputable books (Jim Eager's WP Color Guide page 120, for example). Inventing this term is not one of my prouder moments.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 1/10/15 7:33 PM, blindog@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Is there a prototype for MDC/Roundhouse's 30-odd foot truss-rod wood caboose?
I've got one here that has a cupola whose roof has a bell-curve shape, which
I've seen on their drovers caboose, but not on this 3-window cab. Perhaps
the original owner swapped cupolas? Anyhow, it has a slightly NYC look, but
I wonder if there was a better match.

This is the caboose with the double-sheathed sides, not the single-sheathed
truss-sided version. Here's an example with the regular cupola:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-Chicago-North-Western-Old-Time-Caboose-Kit-NIB-/281557124238?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item418e1cc48e

Here's a drover caboose with the funky cupola that my model has:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-John-Allen-Tribute-G-D-Old-Time-Dovers-Caboose-Upgraded-Exc-/271734056486?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f449ca626

My thinking if it is close to a New York Central caboose a friend's railroad
can use it, since NYC steam-era cabooses are hard to come by. I know that
many NYC cabooses had very low cupolas.

Thanks
Scott Chatfield
Re: Westinghouse flat car load for sale

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Scale?
Dimensions?
Photos?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: [STMFC] Westinghouse flat car load for sale

I am offering the attached urethane casting for sale as a flat car or
gondola load. It was modeled after a large steel casting for steam
generating turbines. My Pop worked for Westinghouse Electric in Lester PA as
a steel pattern maker for large steam turbine castings. The Wabash flat car
hung on the wall in my room for many years. I think there was a blade
spindle in these castings.



The master pattern was 3D printed and cast by my urethane caster. They will
arrive + - as you see ready to use with no clean up needed. The items in the
photos are production samples.



I should have the production run within a month tops. They are cast in gray
as shown but you will likely want to paint them because there are usually
some minor color variations. In the urethane.



This is a onetime project. I am not stocking them for sale at a later date.


While I made them for S Scale they are really not scale specific. They are
2.37 long x .90 high x 1 .50 wide. You can scale convert from there.



I am selling them in sets of 3 castings for $40.00 + $3.00 shipping, or 4
castings for $50.00 + $3.00 for shipping via USPS without insurance or
tracking.



I would much prefer to ship to the US only but email me if you are outside
of the US and really want them. I will see what I can do.



Payment in full is due upon placing the order.



Send payment to:

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305 Dubois Ave

West Deptford NJ 08096



Please send me an email to confirm your order. Any questions please reply
directly.





Thank You,
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Re: Pennsy H32 - why?

Todd Horton
 

I think some of these cars may have been in service hauling sand. Probably limestone as well, for cement.

Todd Horton


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On Sat, 1/10/15, blindog@mindspring.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy H32 - why?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 7:10 PM


 









I picked up one of Broadway's Pennsy H32
covered hoppers recently. These are the long, low 5-bay
covered hoppers that were slightly over 3,000 cubic feet,
which was very large for a covered hopper in those days. My
question is _why_ were these built? Being 70-ton cars,
they'd be about the right size for grain, but grain
wasn't shipped in covered hoppers back then (1950-ish).
So what was the Pennsy carrying that was relatively
lightweight and was moving in quantities that required three
hundred cars? Were they an early malt hopper?



Scott Chatfield











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Re: Pennsy H32 - why?

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Scott--From The Keystone, December 1982: "Many of the less dense commodities shipped in H30 covered hoppers such as pulverized coal, soda ash, and even cement would completely fill the car's cubic capacity before reaching its load weight limit. With this fact in mind, the Pennsylvania's car designers decided to build an enlarged version of the H30 having two more compartments, and four more loading hatches. These cars, class H32, could be considered the forerunners of today's jumbo covered hoppers."

Hope this helps.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
Re: Pennsy H32 - why?

David
 

Malt, along with lots of other bulk commodities that were less dense than cement. See below:
Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.

 



David Thompson
Re: prototype for MDC truss-rod caboose?

Adrian Hundhausen
 

Scott,

The MDC caboose is a model of a Colorado Midland way car, built 1886 based on an AT&SF design from the early 1880s, but with wider side doors installed ca. 1890. The CM only had one car with those exact doors; the others had double rather than triple windows. The kit came with that cupola roof. That style of roof was relatively common and was usually referred to as a Bombay roof.

Adrian Hundhausen


---In STMFC@..., <blindog@...> wrote :

Is there a prototype for MDC/Roundhouse's 30-odd foot truss-rod wood caboose?
I've got one here that has a cupola whose roof has a bell-curve shape, which
I've seen on their drovers caboose, but not on this 3-window cab. Perhaps
the original owner swapped cupolas? Anyhow, it has a slightly NYC look, but
I wonder if there was a better match.

This is the caboose with the double-sheathed sides, not the single-sheathed
truss-sided version. Here's an example with the regular cupola:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-Chicago-North-Western-Old-Time-Caboose-Kit-NIB-/281557124238?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item418e1cc48e


Here's a drover caboose with the funky cupola that my model has:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-John-Allen-Tribute-G-D-Old-Time-Dovers-Caboose-Upgraded-Exc-/271734056486?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f449ca626


My thinking if it is close to a New York Central caboose a friend's railroad
can use it, since NYC steam-era cabooses are hard to come by. I know that
many NYC cabooses had very low cupolas.

Thanks
Scott Chatfield
Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

Thomas Baker
 

Thorsten's explanation clarifies something that has mystified me for several years.  In 2000 I was leaving the Frankfurt-Bahnhof railway station enroute to Rothenburg ob der Tauber.  On the way out of the station I caught a glimpse of a two-dome tankcar.  The train was moving fast, so that I did not get a long enough look to determine whether the car still had its trucks, but seeing an American tankcar while riding the Deutsche Bahn threw me.  It didn't make sense.  So thanks for the clarification, Thorsten.

 

Tom Baker

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Thorsten Petschallies t.petschallies@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:08 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: AW: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car
 


Hello Richard,

the prototype cars were built for the USTC during WW2.

AFAIK, they were shipped as kits to Great Britain, assembled there and then brought over to Europe after D day.

They were taken over by a number of European railroads and private owners after the end of WW2, though I don’t have exact information.

Also the USTC used them for supply during the cold war.

 

Roco has taken over the Klein molds.

They have announced USTC and DB version as 2015 releases.

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?10,7246461

See pages 123 and 139.

 

Thorsten Petschallies

Hamburg, Germany

 

 

Von: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2015 22:51
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

 

 

I can only suggest you keep checking European ebay.

Paul Doggett UK

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung mobile


"richtownsend@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?

 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
prototype for MDC truss-rod caboose?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Is there a prototype for MDC/Roundhouse's 30-odd foot truss-rod wood caboose?
I've got one here that has a cupola whose roof has a bell-curve shape, which
I've seen on their drovers caboose, but not on this 3-window cab. Perhaps
the original owner swapped cupolas? Anyhow, it has a slightly NYC look, but
I wonder if there was a better match.

This is the caboose with the double-sheathed sides, not the single-sheathed
truss-sided version. Here's an example with the regular cupola:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-Chicago-North-Western-Old-Time-Caboose-Kit-NIB-/281557124238?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item418e1cc48e


Here's a drover caboose with the funky cupola that my model has:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roundhouse-MDC-HO-John-Allen-Tribute-G-D-Old-Time-Dovers-Caboose-Upgraded-Exc-/271734056486?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item3f449ca626


My thinking if it is close to a New York Central caboose a friend's railroad
can use it, since NYC steam-era cabooses are hard to come by. I know that
many NYC cabooses had very low cupolas.

Thanks
Scott Chatfield
Re: ACF reefer question

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Given my quick judgments and unerringly wrong guesses, I cannot wait to see how this kit turns out...lol

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:28 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Dave the Branchline kits are not RTR. Atlas is now offering the former Branchline kits as RTR, but I don’t believe they are offering the same billboard paint schemes. The Heileman Beer will be a kit.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Pennsy H32 - why?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I picked up one of Broadway's Pennsy H32 covered hoppers recently. These are the long, low 5-bay covered hoppers that were slightly over 3,000 cubic feet, which was very large for a covered hopper in those days. My question is _why_ were these built? Being 70-ton cars, they'd be about the right size for grain, but grain wasn't shipped in covered hoppers back then (1950-ish). So what was the Pennsy carrying that was relatively lightweight and was moving in quantities that required three hundred cars? Were they an early malt hopper?

Scott Chatfield
Re: ACF reefer question

Douglas Harding
 

Dave the Branchline kits are not RTR. Atlas is now offering the former Branchline kits as RTR, but I don’t believe they are offering the same billboard paint schemes. The Heileman Beer will be a kit.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: ACF reefer question

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Bott wrote:
"Sometimes RTR is a boon!"



Sorry to bust your bubble, Dave, but this isn't RTR.  It's a kit.
Ben Hom 
Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

JoelDee
 

Have you tried EBAY

Open up Google Translator and head to Austria EBAY

http://www.ebay.at/sch/allcategories/all-categories
under modellbau--Modelleisenbahn

EBAY Germany has a lot of Austrian's selling US stuff here as it is a bigger market

www.ebay.de

Also, Walters has a good worldwide dealer network as does MTH who manufactures European locomotives and wagons in Europe.  Their are three Americanish USA dealers in Germany, so I would expect the same in Austria

Last resort is to run a small ad in one or more German Modelleisenbahn magazines which have a large following and collectors still run this stuff at shows--especially the AC/DC era of their youth.

Joel Dethlefs/Berlin
geridee1@...
   

 
Re: ACF reefer question

Allan Smith
 

There is a car now up for bid on E Bay now.

Al Smith Sonora


On Saturday, January 10, 2015 1:07 PM, "jaydeet2001@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
 


David Thompson


Re: ACF reefer question

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Well, that removes a lot of work!  I can get back to my current resin kits... Let me know if they start offering a RTR Southern SU DS 36 footer! 😉

Thank you. I'll have this running before my Dad passes (he's in hospice). Sometimes RTR is a boon!

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jan 10, 2015, at 4:07 PM, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Or you could buy this:

Branchline Blueprint HO ACF/URTX Beer Reefer Heileman's Brewing Kit #1335

 



David Thompson
Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

Thorsten Petschallies
 

Hello Richard,

the prototype cars were built for the USTC during WW2.

AFAIK, they were shipped as kits to Great Britain, assembled there and then brought over to Europe after D day.

They were taken over by a number of European railroads and private owners after the end of WW2, though I don’t have exact information.

Also the USTC used them for supply during the cold war.

 

Roco has taken over the Klein molds.

They have announced USTC and DB version as 2015 releases.

http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?10,7246461

See pages 123 and 139.

 

Thorsten Petschallies

Hamburg, Germany

 

 

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I can only suggest you keep checking European ebay.

Paul Doggett UK

 

 

 

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"richtownsend@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?

 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

I can only suggest you keep checking European ebay.
Paul Doggett UK



Sent from Samsung mobile

"richtownsend@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

Since many of our US and Canadian modelers are distracted right now, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question of the European contingent. Klein Modellbahn of Austria used to offer a two-dome tank car that as I understand it was based on a US export from the years following WWII. Does anyone know of a source for one of these cars?
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
52901 - 52920 of 183656