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Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

Tony Thompson
 

Beautiful photos! Who brought all the awesome tank car models?? Is that
resin dome casting one of Frank Hodina's?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lhs65/15649510214/in/set-72157649858738599


Bill Darnaby. And yes, they are Hodina's parts.


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Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

Tim O'Connor
 


Beautiful photos! Who brought all the awesome tank car models?? Is that
resin dome casting one of Frank Hodina's?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lhs65/15649510214/in/set-72157649858738599

Tim O'Connor



Some photos from Prototype Rails 2015 last week end in Cocoa Beach are now available for viewing on my Flickr site:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lhs65/sets/72157649858738599/show

As always, any additions or corrections to my descriptions will be greatly appreciated.

Gary Bechdol

Stone Mountain, GA


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

genegreen1942@...
 

Apropos lifting lugs; doesn't that imply that the containers would be removed from the gondolas for loading or unloading or both?  Wouldn't that further imply that dedicated facilities for loading and unloading would be needed at each end?  Doesn't that get one into an industry large enough to warrant special cars that can't be loaded in both directions, with some sort of crane at each end, a significant amount of traffic and, in general, something on the large size for a small model railroad.

Gene Green
Out in the Badlands of New Mexico


Re: Ye Old X29

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the carbody styles and
they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version with dreadnaught
ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

Tim O'Connor

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

genegreen1942@...
 

This container business seems to be more eastern than Midwestern.  (For those of us from Iowa, Indiana and Ohio are eastern states.)  I'm trying to discover a use for a container load on what I am modeling but until I do . . .

My C&NW loop from a hidden yard through Marshalltown and back to the hidden yard is intended for a passenger train and a freight train in each direction more as part of the scenery.  The 4 tracks in the hidden yard will end up having about 20 feet of parking space each which means the freight trains will be rather short.  Those two freights should probably not have any unusual cars - depressed-center flat with transformer, container gondola, poultry car, etc. - that would attract undue attention.

Yes, I noticed - too late - that I posted a message on containers on the wrong thread.  Thanks for fixing that, Clark.  Cement is going to have to move in box cars.

Gene Green
Out in the Badlands of New Mexico


Re: Ye Old X29

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

Seriously?? That's news to me... how thick are these etchings? They'd have to
be almost all thin as foil wouldn't they, like .003 or less?

Tim O'

Arved, Folks,

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliver’s Yarmouth Model Works. They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce


Re: Bobs photos

Tim O'Connor
 

??? copy and paste of a directory is a major effort?

i just zipped up 2 GB of photos to share with someone and uploaded it to a web site for him.
took all of 30 seconds.

Tim

At 1/15/2015 02:38 AM Thursday, you wrote:
At 02:26 AM 1/15/2015 -0500, you wrote:
Fortunately it's no longer necessary to make lists. Simply dump the
entire photo collection (assuming you scan everything you buy) onto a
pad computer and carry that computer with you. When you find a print,
search the index... voila! The pad will pay for itself in prevented
duplicates, and foobie-prevention.
That would require major effort and organization. Well actually not that
much. The total number of bought prints I have is in the low
hundreds. Maybe 200, 250. Not a really huge number.

Andy


Re: Klein Modellbahn 2-dome tank car

genegreen1942@...
 

The Fleischmann models pictured on page 41 were created by the US military after World War Two when the planners "knew" the next big war would be in Europe.  There were 5 kit cars in the series.  In addition to the low- and high-side gondolas and box car shown there was a flat car and a tank car.  The flat car was merely the floor of the gondolas or box car without any sides, ends, etc.  The design was such that the cars could be assembled in-theater with troop or indigenous (unskilled) labor.  The expectation was that trucks and couplers would be scrounged in-theater.   I have an Army manual with plans and assembly instructions.

I submitted an article to RMC on the tank car kit but it was never published.  My material is being returned to me.  The point of the article was mainly that flat cars (the P2K model) were loaded in 1953, moved hither, thither and yon but not unloaded until the early 1980s.  Sort of solves the empty/load in open top cars conundrum in at least one instance.

I was stationed in Germany for 3 tours and spent every off-duty chance I could photographing railroad subjects.  I came across former US freight cars occasionally but never any of the kit cars nor the 2-dome tank car to the best of my recollection.

Gene Green
Out in the Badlands of New Mexico


Re: Athearn container gondolas

caboose9792@...
 

The IC server the calcium carbide plant at Calvert city KY. As late as the mid 2000's the PAL handed off carbide containers to the BNSF on an equipped car for containers.  The metal alloy plant next to the carbide plant got foundry sand from nearby Murray KY in containers. Routing was by way of the Paducah KY to the L&N and the waybills I have indicate a few L&N cars were in assigned service.

IC lettering diagrams should still be available for the IC gons via the Illinois railway museum's Pullman library. The reference number is IC-H740 when ordering.
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 1/15/2015 1:13:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
The 1955 IC Freight Car Diagram book shows 24 low side (3 1/2' sides)
steel gons modified for containers.

The 1960 Equipment List shows 37 steel gons with 5 foot sides equipped
to carry calcium carbide in containers. AAR designation LG inside length
37'8" capacity 1672 cu ft, 140,000 pounds.

Somewhere I have a photo of one of the low side gons.

Jeff White
Alma, IL


Re: Ye Old X29

naptownprr
 

Arved,

 

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

 

Jim Hunter


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

 

Arved, Folks,


Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliver’s Yarmouth Model Works.  They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are available in etched brass now.

Thanks,
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

ed_mines
 

Thanks Gary and thanks to all who showed their models. Inspirational!!


Ed Mines


Re: Digest Number 9245

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Gene Green wrote:

Athearn is currently offering at least two gondolas with loads of small containers.
Athearn literature labels these as appropriate for 1980 to the present and, based on
the paint schemes alone, that is likely correct.
Is the Athearn gondola model at least representative of a gondola built and in use
before 1950? Before 1960? I assume it is not actually a model of any specific car.

The Athearn "50-foot gondola" is _based_ on a Bethlehem design built in the early to
mid 1960s for several customers, and copied by N&W's Roanoke Shops, and perhaps C&O's
Raceland Shops as well. Specifically it a version with coil cradles inside, as betrayed
by the line of rivets a third of the way up the sides from the floor. That said, Irv
shortened the model to fit in his standard kit box and/or use an existing underframe,
and in doing so screwed up the post spacing. Indeed, it is tough to lengthen the model
and get the correct spacing for the Bethlehem prototype.

And yes, it should have a straight centersill, not the fishbelly centersill from his
50-foot flatcar (another "what's the prototype" subject, I guess). But Athearn's
standard 50-foot boxcar underframe fits just fine, so that's an easy swap. I've done
it on the couple I have.

As Tony Thompson pointed out, you can kitbash the Athearn 50-foot gon into several
steam era prototypes, but one common change you will have to make is change the ends
to drop ends.

A handful of these cars still run today, and the Norfolk Southern-painted ones are
still fairly common on NS freights, because they were rebuilt with plate steel floors
and repainted around 1990 for shredded scrap service. Some were later repainted MofW
orange to haul scrap ties, and those are also common sights on today's freights.

Scott Chatfield


Photos from Prototype Rails 2015

garyeb@...
 

Some photos from Prototype Rails 2015 last week end in Cocoa Beach are now available for viewing on my Flickr site:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lhs65/sets/72157649858738599/show

 

As always, any additions or corrections to my descriptions will be greatly appreciated.

 

Gary Bechdol

Stone Mountain, GA


Re: NYC box car photo

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
"Lot 765-B built 1948. NOT an early PS-1. Will check my references tonight for a photo."

My bad. It IS an early PS-1 per Ed's post. Apologies for any confusion.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC box car photo

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"I bought the NYC decal set from Ted at CCB. It wasn’t till I got home that I could look up the number of the car I wish to model. NYC 167138 series 167000-167999. Therefore I missed out on looking through Bob’s NYC binders. I did find a photo of a tank car I’m modeling and two other photos from his ‘new’ binders.

I believe this car is an early PS1. I would like a photo so I can check out details that may or may not have been on these cars. Like, corner sill tabs, straight stiles on the end ladders, etc."

Lot 765-B built 1948. NOT an early PS-1. Will check my references tonight for a photo.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn container gondolas

dahminator68
 

Hello:
 
The Westerfield Models Containers are still available, as are the decals for them.
 
Please see our #1200 Series Kits for the HB1A & H4 PRR Containers and decals.
 
Please see our #8100 Series Kits for the LCL Containers, for NYC, B&O & Reading.
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm



From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas

 

I vaguely recall that the origin of those containers were the massive
construction projects in New York by Robert Moses, which used an ocean
of cement. So it makes sense that all of the "anthracite" railroads
that served the New York City area, and upstate, had them.

The PRR also had containers but theirs was a boxy design, which is still
available I think from Westerfield. I've seen 1960's photos of the PRR
containers still in use -- but not in Iowa, Gene! :-)

Tim O'Connor


Plus Lackawanna and D&H.
Schuyler
I�e wondered if the cylindrical contains were built by one company and several railroads purchased them for use in cement service?   I know the NYC and the LV had them, I seem to recall CNJ as well?  Todd Horton
 
From: STMFC@... [ mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas
 
 


If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now. The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor



Re: NYC box car photo

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:57 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:

I bought the NYC decal set from Ted at CCB. It wasn’t till I got home
that I could look up the number of the car I wish to model. NYC 167138
series 167000-167999. Therefore I missed out on looking through Bob’s
NYC binders.
I did find a photo of a tank car I’ modeling and two other photos from
his ‘new’ binders.
 
I believe this car is an early PS1. I would like a photo so I can
check out details that may or may not have been on these cars. Like,
corner sill tabs, straight stiles on the end ladders, etc.
 
Clark,
You are correct that it's an early PS-1, built ca. 3-48,
Pullman-Standard lot 5904. The only two photos I've found from NYC
167000-167999 are on page 99 of the 1949/1951 Car Builders' Cyclopedia
and a 1960 repaint of 167210 (Paul Dunn photo, Bob Lorenz collection).

This series was one of 9 series of PS-1s built in 1947-1948 having a
Pullman-Standard welded roof (same type roof as on CGW 93001-93500
built in 1947 among others).

This roof is quite different than the common P-S riveted roofs found on
PS-1s built in 1947-1949 (lacking the corrugation on the far end panels) or the more common P-S riveted roofs found on PS-1s built in
1950 and after (like the roof on the Kadee model).

If this early P-S welded roof has been offered in HO scale, I'm not
aware of it.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (was Athearn) container gondolas (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

The area of container gons has not been fully explored. There is very poor resolution on many of them, even though most of them appear in ORERs.

In addition to the cylindrical cement containers, and oddball insulated (refrigerated?) containers, there were also the open-topped coke containers, and hatch-topped drop bottom or hopper bottom bulk materials containers, as well as the merchandise (LCL) containers.

Roads that had bulk containers included: B&O, DT&I, Erie, L&N, LV, Monon, NKP, N&W, NYC, P&LE, P&WV, PRR, RDG, and WM. Lots of these were used shipping things like powdered dolomite and other additives for the steel industry or other heavy industries.

I have seen them in photos in many locations all over the country, since they were serving industries in many locations.

The Westerfield PRR containers, and also their Youngstown containers are very nice. They build into very realistic loads. The previously-available Walthers Youngstown containers, and coke containers, and not quite as "fine", but still credible. They are also separate containers, which permits one to set up partial, or badly-loaded loads. At least on the PRR, they had container gons that did not have the truck capacity to carry 80-100 tons of containers, so they blocked portions of the center of the car, to permit no more than nine (+ or -) containers. Those are very interesting cars visually.

Some gons had very serious interior blocking, some had none. Some containers gons were fitted with replacement wire mesh flooring, except over the brake hardware and trucks. I am not aware of any offerings for these in anything but brass.

The NYC had a very large group of interesting container cars I would love to see more research on. You could read and see more on the PRR gons in the PRR gon book.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Athearn container gondolas




If you watch the 1960's movie "In The Heat Of The Night" there is scene
that features a Missouri Pacific train passing overhead and there are three
gondolas filled with containers that look remarkably like the Athearn "box"
style containers. The other cars in the train are covered hoppers so I'm
going to guess this train is moving cement cars. (It was filmed in Illinois.)

But I agree with Ben there were some insulated/LCL containers that also had
a similar appearance to the boxy Athearn containers. MP operated a number of
different kinds of bulk and LCL containers.

I've only ever seen the cylindrical containers in LV gondolas. I bought decals
for them from someone here years ago -- although the name escapes me now. The
gondolas can be "stood in" by modifying the Athearn gondola to remove the deep
fishbelly, cutting holes in the side, and putting steel braces on the floor and
top chord to hold the containers in place. You can detail the containers to
greatly improve their appearance, especially the lifting lugs.

Tim O'Connor





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Ye Old X29

Bruce Smith
 

Arved, Folks,

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliver’s Yarmouth Model Works.  They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are available in etched brass now.
<SNIP>
Thanks,
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida


NYC box car photo

Clark Propst
 

I bought the NYC decal set from Ted at CCB. It wasn’t till I got home that I could look up the number of the car I wish to model. NYC 167138 series 167000-167999. Therefore I missed out on looking through Bob’s NYC binders.
I did find a photo of a tank car I’ modeling and two other photos from his ‘new’ binders.
 
I believe this car is an early PS1. I would like a photo so I can check out details that may or may not have been on these cars. Like, corner sill tabs, straight stiles on the end ladders, etc.
 
Thanks for any help!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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