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Re: interesting gondola load

Ernie Valentine
 

Another possibility is  insulators for high voltage power transmission lines.  The packing looks to be about the right size and type for high voltage insulators.

Ernie Valentine  Red Wing


Re: interesting gondola load

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

Good guess, could be something like mufflers. I also thought they
might be stamped or extruded metal parts of some kind.

On closer inspection I see an ampersand -- & -- on that gondola, and
given the color, I wonder if that is a B&LE gondola.

Tim O

I don't really know, but if you enlarge the photo sufficiently, down at the
water's edge, there is one of the cardboard wrappers that's broken open, and
it looks like there is a gray-painted rectangular object in there that has a
tube out the end. Perhaps some sort of HVAC device? A muffler? They had
to be fairly beefy things as they are cardboard-wrapped, held closed with no
less than four steel straps. Looks like they were shipped on end.

Also interesting is the way the wreck must have moved some dirt around; the
truck of the wrecked car appears to be half-buried in the fill above the
left end of the car. Is this a NKP car? Took a pretty good bite into the
roof of the Cotton Belt box on the right.

Schuyler

Tim asks:

Any idea what this gondola load might have been?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724

That B&O gondola 352409 is nearly brand new in this 1958 photo.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Car Weights

Andy Sperandeo
 

Just to make a couple of observations, sheet lead is not magnetic, and screws make an instant attachment with no solvent vapors or danger of shrinkage. So long – Andy 


Re: CNW 75194

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Schuyler-

I am sending a scan of the box car you screen captured in cocoa beach. It may offer more details? I am also enclosing an attached 40' PS-1 for your enjoyment.

I should be able to ship your USRA Andrews Tahoe truck later this week or next Monday.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Can anyone direct me to a good photo of this car? It’s a single sheathed 40 ton box built 5-36, that appears very tall, and has single sheathed ends. I took (with permission) a photo off the screen in one of the Cocoa Beach presentations, and it’s a very interesting car. I doubt there’s a kit for it, but I might be pleasantly surprised.

One >could< build a model based on the photo of a photo I have, but it’d be chancy.

Schuyler


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Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Eric Lombard
 

Well, I fat thumbed that post before it was done.
Here is a list of the series with wood ends. Many are SP system and the MILW cars you mention, Tim:

ERIE    68300    68324    25        1910    PSC
ERIE    68325    68399    75        1910    PSC
CRI&P    261125    261449    325    F3    1912    WSC
RIA&L    261000    261124    125        1912    WSC
CB&Q    45000    45499    500    XA-05    1913    H&B
CRI&P    261450    261949    500        1913    PUL
UP    85600    85999    400    A-40-01    1913    SSC
SP    61660    62059    400    A-40-01    1913    SSC
L&N    9800    9899    100        1917    ACF
SP    66800    67999    1200    A-50-06    1923    GAC
GH&SA    39660    39959    300    A-50-06    1923    GAC
SP    68000    68499    500    A-50-05    1923    GAC
GH&SA    58100    58199    100    A-50-07    1924    PUL
LW    58000    58099    100    A-50-07    1924    PUL
SP    68680    68879    200    A-50-07    1924    PUL
SP    68880    68979    100    A-50-07    1924    PUL

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Eric

I was going to suggest the Rock Island cars too but you beat me to it.
But as you imply if that was the intent, then they really screwed it up!
But the sides do strongly resemble the RI car -- which was available as
a resin kit from Rocket Express.

50 foot single sheathed auto cars with composite ends must have been rare
to begin with -- other than the SP A-50-6 and maybe the Milwaukee cars that
were suggested I just don't know of any.

Tim O'



Rich, I'm afraid I have to agree with Ben - there likely is no prototype. If someone comes up with on I would certainly like to know of it. In my box car database, which is based on thousands of references, there are no series that meet the structural characteristics you list. There are 163 series of single-wood-sheathed cars between 48-0 and 51-6 inside length, 68 are built new, the remainder are series that have been rebuilt or renumbered, or both. Of these only one has the posts and braces count and arrangement you list: RI 262450-262799, built 1930 by SSC. However, these cars have fishbelly center sills, Dreadnaught ends, a radial roof, and a 12-0 door opening. I am sending you a spreadsheet output from the database with all the present information I have on the 163 series. Perhaps, if you go through it you might find a compromise you can accept or a modification you are willing to undertake to the present model.

Sincerely,
Eric


I have an HO model that I assembled from a wood kit a number of years ago but never lettered because the decals disintegrated. Looking at it now, it's a nice car but it is clear from the 1955 ORER that the lettering diagrams provided with the kit do not correspond to prototype examples of this car. The kit was manufactured by Quality Craft Models and distributed by Bev-Bel. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of this model online to provide a link to, so I will try to describe the car below:

- External dimensions: length 51', height rails to top of roofwalk 15', width 10'

- Single sheathed with 'z' braces; 2 diagonals left of doors, 3 to right; 45 degree corner braces at the top and bottom of the end side panels

- 1 1/2 doors (6.5' and 4.5' width);Â staggered; wood doors with a horizontal brace approx! imately mid-height

- composite ends with braces in a 'V' configuration

- Hutchins Dry lading roof

- straight center sill underframe

- K-style brakes with brake wheel mounted on a vertical shaft.

Overall, the car looks very much like a 50' version of the of the MILW 40' auto boxes (592025-593024) shown on pg. 99 of the Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1.

I'd appreciate any suggestions on a reasonable prototype for this car along with any pointers to photos and/or decal sources. The obvious first question is whether or not the MILW had 50' auto boxes of this style. Thanks in advance for any help.

Rich Gibson

Tulsa, OK



Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Eric Lombard
 

I tally 16 series of ~50' SS XA built new with wood ends between 1910 and 1924. Many had ends with posts and braces in the |\||/| pattern, but not all. All had door openings of around ~10' most were "door and a half" but some had equal-sized doors of approx 5-5. All had sides with Howe trusses. All but the first two series had 7 posts per side, the two 1910 series for the Erie had five. They were formidable monsters for their time ;-)

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Eric

I was going to suggest the Rock Island cars too but you beat me to it.
But as you imply if that was the intent, then they really screwed it up!
But the sides do strongly resemble the RI car -- which was available as
a resin kit from Rocket Express.

50 foot single sheathed auto cars with composite ends must have been rare
to begin with -- other than the SP A-50-6 and maybe the Milwaukee cars that
were suggested I just don't know of any.

Tim O'



Rich, I'm afraid I have to agree with Ben - there likely is no prototype. If someone comes up with on I would certainly like to know of it. In my box car database, which is based on thousands of references, there are no series that meet the structural characteristics you list. There are 163 series of single-wood-sheathed cars between 48-0 and 51-6 inside length, 68 are built new, the remainder are series that have been rebuilt or renumbered, or both. Of these only one has the posts and braces count and arrangement you list: RI 262450-262799, built 1930 by SSC. However, these cars have fishbelly center sills, Dreadnaught ends, a radial roof, and a 12-0 door opening. I am sending you a spreadsheet output from the database with all the present information I have on the 163 series. Perhaps, if you go through it you might find a compromise you can accept or a modification you are willing to undertake to the present model.

Sincerely,
Eric


I have an HO model that I assembled from a wood kit a number of years ago but never lettered because the decals disintegrated. Looking at it now, it's a nice car but it is clear from the 1955 ORER that the lettering diagrams provided with the kit do not correspond to prototype examples of this car. The kit was manufactured by Quality Craft Models and distributed by Bev-Bel. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of this model online to provide a link to, so I will try to describe the car below:

- External dimensions: length 51', height rails to top of roofwalk 15', width 10'

- Single sheathed with 'z' braces; 2 diagonals left of doors, 3 to right; 45 degree corner braces at the top and bottom of the end side panels

- 1 1/2 doors (6.5' and 4.5' width);Â staggered; wood doors with a horizontal brace approx! imately mid-height

- composite ends with braces in a 'V' configuration

- Hutchins Dry lading roof

- straight center sill underframe

- K-style brakes with brake wheel mounted on a vertical shaft.

Overall, the car looks very much like a 50' version of the of the MILW 40' auto boxes (592025-593024) shown on pg. 99 of the Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1.

I'd appreciate any suggestions on a reasonable prototype for this car along with any pointers to photos and/or decal sources. The obvious first question is whether or not the MILW had 50' auto boxes of this style. Thanks in advance for any help.

Rich Gibson

Tulsa, OK



CNW 75194

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Can anyone direct me to a good photo of this car?  It’s a single sheathed 40 ton box built 5-36, that appears very tall, and has single sheathed ends.  I took (with permission) a photo off the screen in one of the Cocoa Beach presentations, and it’s a very interesting car.  I doubt there’s a kit for it, but I might be pleasantly surprised.

 

One >could< build a model based on the photo of a photo I have, but it’d be chancy.

 

Schuyler


Re: longevity of truss-rod cabooses?

Dennis Storzek
 

The Soo Line retired its last wood cabooses with truss rod underframes in the early 1980's, although they may have been out of service since the late 70's. Their last use was transfer cabooses in the twin cities and Chicago area, and with their last rebuilding, many had their cupolas entirely sheathed in plywood, so while the cupola was still there, it had no windows. However, this was the entire caboose fleet until the International Car Co. "wide vision" cars began arriving in the mid 60's.

IIRC, the ICC required steel underframes on all cabooses by 1928, although I'm not sure if that deadline was extended. The Soo complied, fitting their entire fleet of wood caboose cars with steel underframes in the early twenties. They essentially built new steel center sills, body bolsters and crossbearers, cleaned everything below the sills off the existing cars, and set them on the new frames. Since the truss rods also served to hold the end sills on the original frame, they were retained, with the two pairs of crossbearers properly located to serve as needle beams. The inner truss rods typically sat in short saddle castings riveted directly to the crossbearer cover plates, while longer queenposts were cast with a mounting flange that matched the angle of the lower surface of the pressed steel crossbearer. As far as I can tell, thy served no purpose on the rebuilt car (the short cars certainly didn't need the truss to support the middle) and simply held the ends on the body. It appears that the ICC order simply wanted steel sills of adequate proportion, and the fact that were these additional truss rods was not an issue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: longevity of truss-rod cabooses?

Rich Gibson
 


Re: drop runr ladders - a better way?

Jim Betz
 

Robert,

I rarely ever drill #80 holes any more ... just for the reasons
you note and a few of my own. I can't remember the last
time I put a #80 in a pin vise!

My "minimum drill size" is #78. When drilling any hole that
will have something installed in them I go larger by 1 or 2
numbers. It makes the parts -fit- a lot easier. Even if they
are 'loose'.

Then I will use either a very small amount of Tenax or
Krystal Klear as the adhesive. Which melts and bonds
to the shape in the case of Tenax or fills in the gap in
the case of KK. When using Tenax I pre-assemble and
apply the glue after. When using KK I put the KK in the
hole(s) and put the part in after.

The finished model will be

"what you wanted/envisioned it to look like all along" ...

- YMMV ... Jim


Re: interesting gondola load

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don't really know, but if you enlarge the photo sufficiently, down at the
water's edge, there is one of the cardboard wrappers that's broken open, and
it looks like there is a gray-painted rectangular object in there that has a
tube out the end. Perhaps some sort of HVAC device? A muffler? They had
to be fairly beefy things as they are cardboard-wrapped, held closed with no
less than four steel straps. Looks like they were shipped on end.



Also interesting is the way the wreck must have moved some dirt around; the
truck of the wrecked car appears to be half-buried in the fill above the
left end of the car. Is this a NKP car? Took a pretty good bite into the
roof of the Cotton Belt box on the right.



Schuyler





Tim asks:

Any idea what this gondola load might have been?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724

That B&O gondola 352409 is nearly brand new in this 1958 photo.

Tim O'Connor


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Tim O'Connor
 

Eric

I was going to suggest the Rock Island cars too but you beat me to it.
But as you imply if that was the intent, then they really screwed it up!
But the sides do strongly resemble the RI car -- which was available as
a resin kit from Rocket Express.

50 foot single sheathed auto cars with composite ends must have been rare
to begin with -- other than the SP A-50-6 and maybe the Milwaukee cars that
were suggested I just don't know of any.

Tim O'



Rich, I'm afraid I have to agree with Ben - there likely is no prototype. If someone comes up with on I would certainly like to know of it. In my box car database, which is based on thousands of references, there are no series that meet the structural characteristics you list. There are 163 series of single-wood-sheathed cars between 48-0 and 51-6 inside length, 68 are built new, the remainder are series that have been rebuilt or renumbered, or both. Of these only one has the posts and braces count and arrangement you list: RI 262450-262799, built 1930 by SSC. However, these cars have fishbelly center sills, Dreadnaught ends, a radial roof, and a 12-0 door opening. I am sending you a spreadsheet output from the database with all the present information I have on the 163 series. Perhaps, if you go through it you might find a compromise you can accept or a modification you are willing to undertake to the present model.

Sincerely,
Eric


I have an HO model that I assembled from a wood kit a number of years ago but never lettered because the decals disintegrated. Looking at it now, it's a nice car but it is clear from the 1955 ORER that the lettering diagrams provided with the kit do not correspond to prototype examples of this car. The kit was manufactured by Quality Craft Models and distributed by Bev-Bel. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of this model online to provide a link to, so I will try to describe the car below:

- External dimensions: length 51', height rails to top of roofwalk 15', width 10'

- Single sheathed with 'z' braces; 2 diagonals left of doors, 3 to right; 45 degree corner braces at the top and bottom of the end side panels

- 1 1/2 doors (6.5' and 4.5' width);� staggered; wood doors with a horizontal brace approx! imately mid-height

- composite ends with braces in a 'V' configuration

- Hutchins Dry lading roof

- straight center sill underframe

- K-style brakes with brake wheel mounted on a vertical shaft.

Overall, the car looks very much like a 50' version of the of the MILW 40' auto boxes (592025-593024) shown on pg. 99 of the Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1.

I'd appreciate any suggestions on a reasonable prototype for this car along with any pointers to photos and/or decal sources. The obvious first question is whether or not the MILW had 50' auto boxes of this style. Thanks in advance for any help.

Rich Gibson

Tulsa, OK


Re: drop rung ladders - a better way?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Greg says I have a better way . . .

 

Well, he had to put up with my whining while I did them, so at least he’s heard me about this challenge.  By the way, the side parts of ladders are stiles, not styles.

 

For the cars side ladders, I drew a line down the side at the “right location” for the left side of the ladder.  Then, after calculating the distance between the rungs (several times until I got the same answer . . . 8^/ ) I also used a divider to mark off the locations.  The dividers I used have a VERY sharp point on one side, and I made a tiny dimple at that point.  Then I used a straight pin to make that a bit deeper, then the No. 80 drill.  I did the Greg Martin trick of cutting off (in my case) the right hand leg of the rung by putting it through a hole in a piece of .030” styrene, and then pressing the styrene down so the legs were extended as far through the styrene as possible ( for uniformity).  Flush cut nippers did the trick.

 

After putting the grabs in, I used thick ACC on the inside of the car.  NEXT time, I will do something more: I’ll bend the grabs inside the car, and use 5 minute epoxy inside so as to gain a mechanical advantage that will increase the likelihood that the grabs will not rotate.  You can guess why I thought about this . . .

 

The ends . . . (sigh) . . . this was not easy.  I had braced the bulkhead inside with some .040” square styrene, so to drill through for even one side was a challenge, but I did, mostly, dill through for them.  A few, I just drilled in far enough to be able to have one leg IN the end, and used ACC to glue it in.  I glued the 1x2 styrene strip for the corner stile on, then allowed the rungs to tell me where the stile closer to the centerline should be.  The true pisser was when I managed to break a drill bit in the corner stile, close enough to the surface that there was NFW I could get it out.  That one got it’s right leg drilled in and the left one cut off.

 

All in all, these are just miserable things to have to make, IMHO.  BTW, I managed to run out of commercial drop grabs, so had to make about half the grabs on the model from wire.  Which reminds me I should order some more.

 

The end ladders have me thinking that maybe these could be printed parts, especially after seeing Jack Burgess’ superb clinic at Cocoa.  I should look into this on my other list (of interest to this audience) the 3DSTFC list.  I may be the owner, but I am NOT an expert at it, not at all, but still . . .

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: TGREGMRTN

Subject: Re: [STMFC] drop run ladders - a better way?

 

Rob,

 

I will give you my solution and Craig Zeni has another and Schuyler Larrabee has another.

 

I used a jig to create the holes as they need to be the same on the sides as the ends. For the styles I used a thicker Aluminum foil. This left me with a nice thin style. The real secret is to NOT drill holes for both sides of the drop grabs, dill only one and clip the run shot to match the opposing side. This eliminates the possibility of the grabs from becoming crooked.

 

I am sure there are other solutions and Schuyler did use styrene.

 

 

Greg Martin

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 

In a message dated 1/18/2015 4:43:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

I’m slowly working through the 2014 Shake and Take project and have come up against the end ladders.   I’m looking for suggestions others have tried to improve the looks of the finished product.  Mine come out looking like the years have service included a couple of collisions.

 

The approach I’ve tried is to mark the ladder styles on a sheet of .015” thick styrene, including both vertical and horizontal centre lines for each hole to be drilled.  Then use a pin to create a dimple at each +, and drill through with an #80 bit.  I find it hard to create a dimple in the material at the exact correct spot,  so my drilled holes are imperfect.  The pin is thick enough and creates enough shadow that it looks like it is on the +, but it is imprecise.

 

Is there a better idea?  Maybe a jig that is practical?

 

Rob Kirkham

 

 

 

 


interesting gondola load

Tim O'Connor
 

Anys idea what this gondola load might have been?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371236096724

That B&O gondola 352409 is nearly brand new in this 1958 photo.

Tim O'Connor


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Eric Lombard
 

Rich, I'm afraid I have to agree with Ben - there likely is no prototype. If someone comes up with on I would certainly like to know of it. In my box car database, which is based on thousands of references, there are no series that meet the structural characteristics you list. There are 163 series of single-wood-sheathed cars between 48-0 and 51-6 inside length, 68 are built new, the remainder are series that have been rebuilt or renumbered, or both. Of these only one has the posts and braces count and arrangement you list: RI 262450-262799, built 1930 by SSC. However, these cars have fishbelly center sills, Dreadnaught ends, a radial roof, and a 12-0 door opening. I am sending you a spreadsheet output from the database with all the present information I have on the 163 series. Perhaps, if you go through it you might find a compromise you can accept or a modification you are willing to undertake to the present model.

Sincerely,
Eric

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM, richgibson89@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

All,


I have an HO model that I assembled from a wood kit a number of years ago but never lettered because the decals disintegrated. Looking at it now, it's a nice car but it is clear from the 1955 ORER that the lettering diagrams provided with the kit do not correspond to prototype examples of this car. The kit was manufactured by Quality Craft Models and distributed by Bev-Bel. Unfortunately, I cannot find a picture of this model online to provide a link to, so I will try to describe the car below:

- External dimensions: length 51', height rails to top of roofwalk 15', width 10'

- Single sheathed with 'z' braces; 2 diagonals left of doors, 3 to right; 45 degree corner braces at the top and bottom of the end side panels

- 1 1/2 doors (6.5' and 4.5' width); staggered; wood doors with a horizontal brace approx! imately mid-height

- composite ends with braces in a 'V' configuration

- Hutchins Dry lading roof

- straight center sill underframe

- K-style brakes with brake wheel mounted on a vertical shaft.

Overall, the car looks very much like a 50' version of the of the MILW 40' auto boxes (592025-593024) shown on pg. 99 of the Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1.


I'd appreciate any suggestions on a reasonable prototype for this car along with any pointers to photos and/or decal sources. The obvious first question is whether or not the MILW had 50' auto boxes of this style. Thanks in advance for any help.


Rich Gibson

Tulsa, OK



longevity of truss-rod cabooses?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Did any truss-rod underframe cabooses survive in service on Class One railroads until 1960? I seem to recall an ICC order about not shoving on wood underframe cabs after, what, 1940? But was there any ICC order mandating their retirement?

thanks
Scott Chatfield


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

RDG had no 50' outside steel truss box cars. The only cars remotely similar were the USRA 40' cars.
 
Eric N.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

 

Rich Gibson wrote:

"The braces on the model form a Howe truss.

This is not the Northeastern SP model, as far as I can tell. It does not have a fishbelly underframe and the side bracing pattern is very different from the A-50-6. The instructions show no drawings of an SP car, only Reading, WM, NYC, PRR, D&H. N&W....all of which seem to be incorrect, at least for the numbers shown."

Definitely a Quality Craft model, and you're right about the schemes on the instruction sheet - they're all bogus.
http://www.hoseeker.net/qualitycraft/qualitycraftIobboxcarpg1.jpg
http://www.hoseeker.net/qualitycraft/qualitycraftIobboxcarpg2.jpg

I'm having difficulty finding prototypes with SS ends, so I'm skeptical regarding a prototype for this model. It appears to a their 40 ft MILW SS boxcar stretched to 50 ft.

See Richard Hendrickson's article in the July 1995 and July 1996 issues of Railmodel Journal for more information.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/443/32370/july-1995-page-16
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/407/29808/july-1996-page-14

(Part of the first article and all of the second article's images are coming up - it looks like there's partial restoration of the Trainlife website.)

Ben Hom


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Benjamin Hom
 

Rich Gibson wrote:



"The braces on the model form a Howe truss.

This is not the Northeastern SP model, as far as I can tell. It does not have a fishbelly underframe and the side bracing pattern is very different from the A-50-6. The instructions show no drawings of an SP car, only Reading, WM, NYC, PRR, D&H. N&W....all of which seem to be incorrect, at least for the numbers shown."

Definitely a Quality Craft model, and you're right about the schemes on the instruction sheet - they're all bogus.
http://www.hoseeker.net/qualitycraft/qualitycraftIobboxcarpg1.jpg
http://www.hoseeker.net/qualitycraft/qualitycraftIobboxcarpg2.jpg

I'm having difficulty finding prototypes with SS ends, so I'm skeptical regarding a prototype for this model. It appears to a their 40 ft MILW SS boxcar stretched to 50 ft.

See Richard Hendrickson's article in the July 1995 and July 1996 issues of Railmodel Journal for more information.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/443/32370/july-1995-page-16
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/407/29808/july-1996-page-14

(Part of the first article and all of the second article's images are coming up - it looks like there's partial restoration of the Trainlife website.)


Ben Hom


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Dennis Storzek
 

Is this the kit with cast soft metal side posts and braces? If so, it's a Quality Craft kit, although I forget the intended prototype.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SS 50' box - looking for prototype

Rich Gibson
 


The braces on the model form a Howe truss.

 

This is not the Northeastern SP model, as far as I can tell. It does not have a fishbelly underframe and the side bracing pattern is very different from the A-50-6. The instructions show no drawings of an SP car, only Reading, WM, NYC, PRR, D&H. N&W....all of which seem to be incorrect, at least for the numbers shown.

 

Rich Gibson

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