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Re: painted, wood RTR cars
Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
There was Pacific Traction {wood/painted/lettered/many roads) freight cars, produced I believe by a doctor, as patient therapy, in San Diego......The cars were less trucks and couplers and I have a bunch still in their plastic bag..........They did both standard and narrow gauge cars and primarily distributed on the west coast and very nice for the 70's..........Once/twice a year I see some on ebay......Best, Jim W.
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:51 AM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" wrote: Gary:
You might be thinking about “Pacific
HO” out of San Diego they did produce wood cars like you describe that we
very close to an SP 1 ½ single sheathed boxcar. My recollection was that you
had to decal them yourself.
Paul C. Koehler
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:14 AM To: stmfc Subject: [STMFC] painted, wood RTR cars I dimly recall that a
company advertised in Model Railroader early in the 1970s as selling RTR (no
trucks) painted and lettered wood freight cars. Does anyone recall the
name of the company and more importantly, if they every produced any such cars?
I was in college at the time and could not determine a way that they could make
money.
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: Car Weights
I got 0.015625 pounds, but who¹s counting?
Thanks! -- Brian Ehni From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 1:54 PM To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car Weights Arved stick to photography, you're a little weak in arithmetic... :-) Try 500,000 lbs divided by 30,000,000 -- that's 1/4 oz per car per year, or an average of one stick-on weight per car. Which is probably where they came up with that number in the first place! At 1/20/2015 02:43 PM Tuesday, you wrote: At least as long as lead-acid batteries remain popular, I'd say.California. Divided by 500,000 lbs of lead, that means the average car looses 60 lbs. of lead each year. Being an average, some more, and some less. It doesn't seem like you have to buy lead at all. Just wander down the streets, and you're bound to find plenty.
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Re: Car Weights
Arved stick to photography, you're a little weak in arithmetic... :-)
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Try 500,000 lbs divided by 30,000,000 -- that's 1/4 oz per car per year, or an average of one stick-on weight per car. Which is probably where they came up with that number in the first place!
At 1/20/2015 02:43 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
At least as long as lead-acid batteries remain popular, I'd say.
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Re: painted, wood RTR cars
Paul Koehler
Gary:
You might be thinking about “Pacific HO” out of San Diego they did produce wood cars like you describe that we very close to an SP 1 ½ single sheathed boxcar. My recollection was that you had to decal them yourself.
Paul C. Koehler
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
I dimly recall that a company advertised in Model Railroader early in the 1970s as selling RTR (no trucks) painted and lettered wood freight cars. Does anyone recall the name of the company and more importantly, if they every produced any such cars? I was in college at the time and could not determine a way that they could make money.
gary laakso south of Mike Brock
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Re: Container gons from NKP (UNCLASSIFIED)
My 2 cents again.
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Those Youngstown bulk containers (as modeled by Walthers) take up the full width of the gondola if you load them crosswise. If you load them lengthwise, you can get 2 abreast. In the car on the LEFT in this photo, all of the containers are the same size. But in the car on the RIGHT the singleton containers appear to be shorter in height and width. The fact that they are turned 90 degrees shows this -- they would be hard up against the car sides if they were full size. https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2815/12297246976_99acb1d2b6_h.jpg
I am of the opinion that all these containers are the same size and shape. In the car on the right you can see containers next to each other, crosswise and lengthwise. It's clear to me that the width is about 2/3 the length. Furthermore it's clear that containers are narrow enough to fit two across the width of the gon. And as you can see from the gon on the left, there is actually room in the gon for 12 containers. But apparently with the material being loaded, the weight is such that a single gon is rated to carry only 11 containers. So put 4 over each truck, to minimize stress on the gon body,stacked as closely as possible, that is paired paired side-by-side. Then put 3 more in the middle. How you put the three in the middle is optional. put them more or less evenly spaced but crosswise, like the car on the right, or put them as if you were loading 12, except put the last one centered, like the car on the left.
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Re: Car Weights
arved_grass
At least as long as lead-acid batteries remain popular, I'd say.
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It's been pointed out that there are roughly 30 million cars registered in California. Divided by 500,000 lbs of lead, that means the average car looses 60 lbs. of lead each year. Being an average, some more, and some less. It doesn't seem like you have to buy lead at all. Just wander down the streets, and you're bound to find plenty. At least in California. Arved Grass Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com Fleming Island, Florida --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 1/20/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car Weights To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 2:06 PM I expect supplies will be plentiful for a long time -- at least for my lifetime. Even 500,000 lbs is barely 1/1000th of US lead production.
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Re: Car Weights
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 1/20/2015 11:06 AM, Tim O'Connor
timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
the group contended that wheel weights falling off vehicles release 500,000 pounds of lead each year into the environment in California. Good thing they are not used in freight cars or no trains would be running. And as for the way back machine we are all dead as the lead falling off freight cars in the 20/30/40's have already killed us all. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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50 ft SS box cars
ed_mines
Few if any didn't have fishbelly underframes and I cant't think of any 50 ft SS box cars that had composite ends except SP. The kit was a hybrid of Qcraft's 1974 40 ft MILW SS, door and a half box car & the Ambroid/Northeastern SP 50 ft SS door and a half box car. Plans for the MILW car (or a similar one) appeared in the 1925 or 1931CBC. Bev Bel wood metal kits also included PS1 40 ft box cars with wooden roof walks (needed those, right?) & (I think) 2 bay hoppers. Ed Mines
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Re: Container gons from NKP (UNCLASSIFIED)
hayden_tom@...
I am of the opinion that all these containers are the same size and shape. In the car on the right you can see containers next to each other, crosswise and lengthwise. It's clear to me that the width is about 2/3 the length. Furthermore it's clear that containers are narrow enough to fit two across the width of the gon. And as you can see from the gon on the left, there is actually room in the gon for 12 containers. But apparently with the material being loaded, the weight is such that a single gon is rated to carry only 11 containers. So put 4 over each truck, to minimize stress on the gon body,stacked as closely as possible, that is paired paired side-by-side. Then put 3 more in the middle. How you put the three in the middle is optional. put them more or less evenly spaced but crosswise, like the car on the right, or put them as if you were loading 12, except put the last one centered, like the car on the left.
The foreshortening from the photo is about what you would expect at this angle. You can get more confidence about this by looking at the first crosswise container next to the 2nd lengthwise pair (L to R) in the right car. You can see that the length of the crosswise container is a little less than the combined widths of the two containers next to it. That matches the view of the width being 2/3 the length. Tom Hayden
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painted, wood RTR cars
gary laakso
I dimly recall that a company advertised in Model Railroader early in the
1970s as selling RTR (no trucks) painted and lettered wood freight cars.
Does anyone recall the name of the company and more importantly, if they every
produced any such cars? I was in college at the time and could not
determine a way that they could make money.
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: Bananas
Tom Madden
Mike wrote: > , if we allowed hundreds of messages about bananas > on the STMFC, surely we could allow at least some > discussion regarding the locomotives that pull the > cars containing said bananas... The adventure continues. Posted this morning on Trainorders.com by Eugene Crowner: "Back in the 1950s on the U.P. there was a banana messenger out of Los Angeles that rode in the caboose with the crew. Presumably he accompanied the bananas at least as far as Salt Lake City. The bananas were destined for Utah and Idaho." I was aware of attendants riding poultry cars, but banana attendants? On the UP?? Just more Armour Yellow, I suppose. Tom Madden
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Re: Car Weights
I expect supplies will be plentiful for a long time -- at least for my lifetime.
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Even 500,000 lbs is barely 1/1000th of US lead production.
Not just California:
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Re: History of Bev-Bel
As an obvious aside here, BevBel also produced plastic O scale car kits under their name, which were from the 1970s Atlas O scale line. BevBel offered theirs in road names that Atlas did not use.
Ed Bommer
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Re: History of Bev-Bel
Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Tim,
I worked with both firms over the years and do not believe there was ever any connection between Bill & Ellen Glass' two "companies", E&B Valley and Robin's Rails, and the Belkins other than the fact that Bev-Bel may have distributed products from the Glass owned companies. Bev-Bel also used to custom decorate Athearn Blue-Box F-units for roads that Athearn chose not to offer. Amongst the first of these were B&M F-units in the Minuteman paint style. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: History of Bev-Bel
Charlie Vlk
Bev-Bel and Karline provided variety in freight car decoration back in the dark ages when manufacturers thought one paint job and roadnumber was sufficient per railroad and kept that same car in their line for decades. Kar-Line had RTR Athearn and Roundhouse cars, pre-equipped with Kadee couplers, that were nicely painted and decaled. BevBel made special runs of kits and some RTR cars using pad printing or possibly early on rubber stamping. “Back in the Day” Athearn and MDC Roundhouse were the primary production lines in town, with minor support from AHM, Fleischmann, Lindberg, Revell, Mantua/Tyco, Lionel, and Crown (Chinese copies of Athearn some of which are still in the Bachmann lineup). Renumbering freight cars was important because our HO Club (the Illinois Tech Model Railroaders) had a car registry and if you didn’t make an entry first you had to get out the decals if you wanted to operate the car on the club layout. From my days at Con-Cor/JMC and Kato I have good impressions of my contacts with Bev at Bev-Bel….they ran a nice business. Charlie Vlk .
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Re: Car Weights
arved_grass
Not just California:
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"Lead wheel weights have been under attack for several years by environmentalists. They were banned by the European Union in 2005 and are being phased out in Japan and South Korea. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is sponsoring a voluntary initiative to reduce the use of lead wheel weights but has not banned them." (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/21/business/fi-wheels21) This seems inflated to me: "In its suit (ed- by the Oakland-based Center for Environmental Health against Chrysler and the three largest makers of lead wheel weights for the U.S. market), the group contended that wheel weights falling off vehicles release 500,000 pounds of lead each year into the environment in California." (ibid) Arved Grass Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com Fleming Island, Florida --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 1/20/15, Jon Miller atsfus@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car Weights To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 11:50 AM On 1/19/2015 11:57 PM, rob.mclear3@bigpond.com [STMFC] wrote: meant to stay on outdoors in all climatesIf only the centrifugal force from our freight cars would help (VBG)! and they are zinc coated lead so safe to handle. Reasonably cheap here as well, $10 gets me enough for about 30 cars.And you don't live in California, capital of "you can't have/get it here"! again VBG -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: UTLX Tank Car Designations
Tony Thompson
Dave Parker wrote:
Remember that Type 21 refers only to the underframe. Tanks varied considerably and were for all intents and purposes chosen by buyers, as were brakes and other appliances. There may indeed be correlations of the kind you describe, but they don't have anything directly to do with AC&F Types. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Car Weights
Ah. My luck with foam stick on weights is that they don’t. In my book, they
are fine is the car is never going to leave the track or not be stored upright. But never store on their side, as the foam lets go eventually. I’d rather buy the bars and use something permanent to adhere to the car. Thanks! -- Brian Ehni From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 11:06 AM To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car Weights Brian, I think the weights being referred to are the same as the old A-Line product. Depending on their weight, they could be almost square to rectangular and flat. Chuck Hladik In a message dated 1/20/2015 12:02:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
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Re: History of Bev-Bel
D. Scott Chatfield
So what happened to the Belkins? I loaned them some boxcar slides back in the mid-80s and never got them back. I wish that had taught me to never loan out originals to manufacturers except I did it 15 years later to a big company and they too lost them. That said, I loaned plenty to Walthers and always got those back.
Scott Chatfield
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Re: Car Weights
Charles Hladik
Brian,
I think the weights being referred to
are the same as the old A-Line product. Depending on their weight, they could be
almost square to rectangular and flat.
Chuck Hladik
In a message dated 1/20/2015 12:02:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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