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Re: CNW 75194

Jack Mullen
 

Schuyler,

I'm on the road, but in a few days I should be able to find and send a copy of a diagram sheet for the above car.
I don't recall the series offhand, but your description sounds like a rebuild of one of the earlier CNW SS 40' auto cars. I think the 1936 blt date must be a reblt date.

I hope this note makes it. It's a second attempt; I'm working through a very slow and cranky hotel wifi.

Jack Mullen


Re: soft iron foil

Charles Peck
 

Google is your friend.  Yes, iron foil is out there. It would tend to be stiffer than aluminum foil of the same thickness
so you you would need to get it thinner to get similar flexibility. 
Be prepared for sticker shock.
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:15 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Is soft iron made in thin sheets than can be crumpled like aluminum foil?


Ed Mines



Re: PS-1 Roofwalks

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie asked:
"Does anyone know if the C&O used a specific brand of roofwalk on their
PS-1 Boxcars. I would have thought that they were all the same, however, I remembered that the WP used Morton roofwalks on their cars."

See Ed Hawkins' PS-1 spreadsheet:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/PullmanStandard40ftPS1Boxcars.xls


Ben Hom


Re: PFE cars loaded with bananas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

When I was stationed in Long Beach in the late 1970s, bananas were still arriving there by ship. IIRC, the landing point was Terminal Island right next to the huge coke loading facility, but I don't remember them being loaded into railroad cars. Probably all were moved by truck.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/21/15 3:20 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Ed Mineswrote:

 
Tony, any idea what ports PFE cars were loaded with bananas? Erie had leased reefers; I guess they made more money loading their own cars.

     I know for sure about Los Angeles, San Francisco and New Orleans. Whether Houston/Galveston or other Texas ports were also active through PFE, I am not sure, but it seems logical, given the Central American origin of most banana cargoes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






NEW KADEE BOXCAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

While thinking about PS-1 boxcars I recalled that at Lysle last
October that Kadee announced that they would have a new boxcar
by the end of the year. The end of the year has come and gone.
Has anyone heard anything?

Bill Pardie


Re: soft iron foil

arved_grass
 

Try steel shim stock. It will be fully hard, but if you anneal it, it should behave as you expect.

I've bought shim stock through McMaster-Carr, but any good hardware store or industrial supply house should carry it.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 1/21/15, ed_mines@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] soft iron foil
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 3:15 PM


 









Is soft iron made in thin sheets than
can be crumpled like aluminum foil?
Ed Mines









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waterside oil terminals

ed_mines
 

Around New York City gasoline and home heating oil are delivered by water to local terminals.


Were tank cars loaded at waterside side oil terminals out in the country like Newburgh, NY?


Am I correct that specialty hydrocarbons like aviation gasoline were delivered by tank car even when waterside oil terminals were close to customers?


Ed Mines


PS-1 Roofwalks

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Does anyone know if the C&O used a specific brand of roofwalk on their
PS-1 Boxcars. I would have thought that they were all the same, however,
I remembered that the WP used Morton roofwalks on their cars.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: PFE cars loaded with bananas

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mineswrote:

 
Tony, any idea what ports PFE cars were loaded with bananas? Erie had leased reefers; I guess they made more money loading their own cars.

     I know for sure about Los Angeles, San Francisco and New Orleans. Whether Houston/Galveston or other Texas ports were also active through PFE, I am not sure, but it seems logical, given the Central American origin of most banana cargoes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





soft iron foil

ed_mines
 

Is soft iron made in thin sheets than can be crumpled like aluminum foil?


Ed Mines


PFE cars loaded with bananas

ed_mines
 

Tony, any idea what ports PFE cars were loaded with bananas? Erie had leased reefers; I guess they made more money loading their own cars.


Ed Mines


Re: Bananas

Tim O'Connor
 

Friends

I'm sorry, I just lost it when I found out about banana drovers! Care and
feeding of the banana herd is a serious business, and we mustn't have any
fun at the expense of our noble fruit... My sincere apologies.

Next week, I will investigate the origin of the term "baloney" and its
relationship to freight cars.

After spending significantly more time researching this than I did computing the average weight of lead lost on California's roads, I concur. I couldn't find a single reference to anything other than "subservient role" such as the straight man in a comedy routine.

Failing a reputable citation, my conclusion: Tim's pulling out leg.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 1/21/15, Andy Sperandeo asperandeo@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


"This
is the origin of the� term 'second
banana.'"
Sounds more like some original
baloney to me. "Top banana," etc., are show-biz
terms dating to the old vaudeville days.
Andy


Re: Bananas

Steve Haas
 

<<Failing a reputable citation, my conclusion: Tim's pulling out leg.>>

Yes,

But whose leg is he pulling out, and why????? . . . . ;-{)


Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: interesting gondola load

Dave Lawler
 

Todd, you're probably correct. My guess was based on the proximity of the wreck to either Dundalk Marine Terminal (Baltimore) and the port of Philadelphia/Camden. The St. Lawrence Seaway opened in '58 but I doubt that a steel shipment would have gone up into the Great Lakes and be railed back to the east coast.
That being said, some of that type of steel is only produced in a few mills in the world. Even now, some of the big guys don't want to be bothered with special alloy material and it's just that the packaging looks exactly like the stuff that comes in from Europe and Asia today.
Also, if you look real close at the photo it appears that the black B&O  Gon 352409 resting above the red car has the same cargo. You can just see the ends of similar cases sticking up above the top of the car sides indicating that the cargo was loaded transversally.
What I'm a bit hazy on is the width of the interior of a gondola of this type. The bars I'm referring to are about 8-10' long and fill the cases end to end and are usually wrapped in the case with heavy water resistant paper.
We may never know for sure.
Best regards,
Dave Lawler


Re: Bananas

Tony Thompson
 

Jeffrey White wrote:

I don't know anything about the UP operations but the IC rostered a Banana Messenger caboose as late as 1960.  It's my understanding that produce buyers rode the trains. 


     Whether this was true on the IC or not, I don't know, but PFE documents clearly identify the banana messengers as responsible for the welfare of the cargo (in that way, much like poultry car messengers). I have never seen any hint that they were brokers.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





PRR H30 Covered Hopper

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In Message #123512 Elden Gatwood listed the commodities hauled in Pennsylvania’s H32 covered hoppers and noted these car were seen outside of PRR’s territory. I assume the same commodity list applied to their H30 covered hoppers.

 

My question is, which commodities in the territory served by the Pennsylvania Railroad would have been commercially unique enough to merit shipment in their H30 covered hoppers from the PRR’s territory to the Southwest United States?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Bananas

arved_grass
 

After spending significantly more time researching this than I did computing the average weight of lead lost on California's roads, I concur. I couldn't find a single reference to anything other than "subservient role" such as the straight man in a comedy routine.

Failing a reputable citation, my conclusion: Tim's pulling out leg.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@yahoo.com or Arved@I-Do-Photography.com
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Wed, 1/21/15, Andy Sperandeo asperandeo@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bananas
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 12:06 PM


 









"This
is the origin of the term 'second
banana.'"
Sounds more like some original
baloney to me. "Top banana," etc., are show-biz
terms dating to the old vaudeville days.
Andy










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Re: Bananas

Andy Sperandeo
 

"This is the origin of the term 'second banana.'"

Sounds more like some original baloney to me. "Top banana," etc., are show-biz terms dating to the old vaudeville days.

Andy


Re: UTLX Tank Car Designations

Dave Parker
 

Steve:

Thanks, this too is very helpful.  The 94785 number is consistent with my 1935 OERE, but not the 1930, suggesting an early 1930s acquisition by Union.  The 77340 number is consistent with number ranges found in both OEREs, suggesting acquisition sometime in the 1920s.

I had no problem finding the 1919 tank car tariff listing (Google book), but I gather the 1936 version is very scarce and harder to track down.  Could you perhaps provide a bit more bibliographic information so that I can try to locate it in a library collection?

Thanks!

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:30 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Dave,
 
The photo of 94785 was used by Richard in an article on the P2k 8000 gallon Type 21 cars in the February 1998 RMJ.  The photo was taken in 1945 and if from the MD McCarter collection.  The car shows as built 5-20, with the Z20 on the end.  It had heaters, as was evidenced by the round cap high on the end, where the coils had been inserted.  77340 is, most likely, a similar car, without heaters.  I am quite sure that Richard worked with LL to identify good car number candidates.
 
UTLX purchased various car fleets in the late 20’s and 30’s, but data is sketchy on which ones became which car numbers on UTLX.  But I can tell you that both of the above numbers did exist in the 1936 tariff listing for UTLX and in the 1952 listing of cars as 8000 gallon cars.
 
Hope this is helpful.
 
Regards,
Steve Hile
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car Designations
 
 
Steve:
 
Thanks very much, that is helpful.  Sounds like Union was not very consistent in their use of the "Z" designation.
 
I wonder if the photo you have showing "Z20"  formed the basis of LifeLike's lettering on the T21 kit that I have (maybe with Richard's input?).  The kit is for UTLX 77340, with what seems to be conflicting built date info (both 1920 and 1923 can be found on the sides).  Can you tell me anything more about that particular photo? 
 
Interesting you should mention split K brakes.  I went through all the builder's photos in Kaminski's book.  "Type 21" (i.e., non radial) cars built from 1919 to 1922 had KD brakes, with rare exception.  1923 seems to be a transitional year, while cars built from 1924 into the early 1930s all had KC brakes.  I am wondering why AC&F (or its customers) might have preferred KD brakes initially, and what then prompted the switch to KC.  Do you have any thoughts?
 
Thanks again.
 
Dave Parker
 
On Monday, January 19, 2015 9:05 PM, "'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 
 
Dave,
 
I have never been able to figure out a code for the use of Z’s on the end of UTLX tank car.  Class Z cars were, in a 1952 UTLX car listing, were those built to Car Builder’s design, rather than the UTLX designs, such as V, X and X-3. 
 
In photos that I have looked at, some have just Z, another has ZX, yet another says ZX02.  I have a copy of the photo that shows Z20, it is apparently taken at some time before the 1950’s as the car appears to have the split version of the K brake systems.  But cars in this series are still listed as Class Z cars in the 1952 UTLX car listing.  On the other hand, I have a photo of a car built by GAT in 1920 for UTLX’s Products Tank Line (PX.)  In the end view, only the Z is marked on the end.
 
Sorry that I can’t provide anything more definitive.
 
Regards,
Steve Hile
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 6:38 PM
To: 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC]
Subject: [STMFC] UTLX Tank Car Designations
 
 
Steve: 
 
Back in November, you straightened me out on UTLX's use of the "Z" designation for tank cars not of their design (i.e., not X-3s).  I am looking at another LifeLike P2k kit for an AC&F Type 21, this one 8000 gallons.  It has "Z20" stenciled on the end. The build date is 1920.
 
Do you know was the UTLX practice to stencil the Z followed by the build year, or is there another explanation here?
 
Thanks for any advice you can provide.
 
Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
 



Re: interesting gondola load

rwitt_2000
 

I agree with Dave that the load was of crates of some type much longer in one dimension than the other two. There appears to be packing material surrounding some type object that I have no clue what it may be. The sides of the individual crates were banded and possibly small groups of crates were banded together either before or after loading. The crates appeared to be shipped with the long axis vertical.

Bob Witt

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