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Re: Bananas via Fruit Growers Express

George Eichelberger

#131307

Cyril:

I have not looked at the date range on the SRHA Archive banana boat files in detail in some time (they are in the Kennesaw museum/SRHA archives) but I believe they are mostly 1950s and 60s. There is extensive data at Kennesaw on the SR’s Charleston banana, coal pier and WWII troop, prisoner and hospital trains to and from the ETO, all topics that need to be researched and published.

Ike

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...) (UNCLASSIFIED)

arved_grass

#131306

Guess I should have requested overnight delivery. :-/

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/22/15, 'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

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Amen, Ben! Sometimes I think no one read any of those articles we wrote.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...)

Arved Grass asked:
"Is the Walthers X29 closer to the 1924 or 1928 build?"

The 1924-1925 build. 

"In the absence of Red Caboose RC-7000 models (of the 1928 car), I'm looking for an easier way to model a 1928 version car than to kitbash the 1924 ends onto the 1932/1934 body (same 1928 sides, but with Dreadnaught ends)."

You're better off keeping an eye out for the Red Caboose 1928 models with flat ends instead of cutting up Dreadnaught end cars. Besides, building cars from the 1924-1925 production group will keep you plenty busy. 

Please do yourself (and me) a huge favor, get the TKM articles, and READ THEM. I'd like to think that all of the effort we put into them (including giving them away for free at the time) was worth it.

Ben Hom

Re: X29 articles

arved_grass

#131305

I'm not Ben, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once. Here's what I found (posted Friday, January 16, 2015 12:34 PM to the list):

The Keystone Modeler Index shows:

Articles on modeling:
(Read in 5 columns, Subject, Type, Scale, Issue, Page)
X29 Boxcar – Des Plaines Hobbies .................................................. Resin Kit .................. O............ 9.......... 15
Correction ............................................................................................................... ............ 10.......... 9
X29 Boxcar Part 3 – Train-Miniature/Walthers ................................Plastic kit .................HO.......... 11......... 37
Supplement ............................................................................................................. ............ 12.......... 9
Supplement ............................................................................................................. ............ 68.......... 8
X29 Boxcar Part 4 – Red Caboose ...................................................Plastic kit .................HO.......... 12......... 39
X29 Boxcar Part 5 – Decals .............................................................................................. All.......... 13......... 45
Supplement ............................................................................................................. ............ 14.......... 6
X29 Merchandise Service Boxcars ................................................................................... All.......... 15......... 47
P.I.: roster, photos
Supplement ............................................................................................................. ............ 21.......... 9
X29 List of available models.................................................................All ...................... All.......... 12......... 40
Supplement ............................................................................................................. ............ 13.......... 7

Prototype:
(read in 3 columns, Subject, Issue, Page)
X29 boxcars – Part 1 – Brief history, roster, detail variations, lettering, photos..................... ............. 8........... 9
X29 express boxcars – Part 2 –Brief history, roster, detail variations, lettering, photos ........9 ........... 10
X29B boxcars – Part 3 – Brief history, roster, detail variations, lettering, photos................... ............ 37......... 21

All the issues are available on CD from the PRRT&HS. $15 for members, $45 for non-members. Guess I'm going to have to become a member, if for no other reason than the economics of buying the CDs. Membership is (minimum) $35/yr, so if you buy more than one CD, the membership is paid by the discount. To get everything related to the X29, I'm going to need CDs 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. Might as well get all 8 and have the full set.

Ben Hom's articles are in the August and September 2004 Mainline Modeler.

Ted Cullota covered the X29 in his Essential Freight Car series (#35 and #36) in the January and February 2007 RMC

Richard Hendrickson covered the X29 in....

OK, 34 articles listed for X29 in the Trains index:
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx?view=SearchResults&q=X29

And another 21 pages of articles if you incorrectly add the dash between X and 29:
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx?view=SearchResults&q=X-29

I've got a lot of reading to catch up on. :-(

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/22/15, 'George A. Walls' atsf1226@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: [STMFC] X29 articles
 To: "Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
 Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015, 1:20 PM


  










 Ben,Where do I
 find the TKM articles you're referring too.
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Re: cooper black italic font on railroad cars

arved_grass

#131304

I don't think Kadee uses it's own decals. Since the topic of using ALPS printed decals came up, I thought I'd note that Kadee offers this as well as other options. Here's their page on custom ALPS decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/alpscustom.htm

I can't imagine that they'd be any worse than anybody else's ALPS decals, especially at the price. I have considered them for my custom decals, but after a couple sheets, alternatives become more cost effective.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/22/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I do not recommend Kadee decals, unless you want your white letters
to have that "washed out" look. Kadee makes wonderful models but their
lettering is strictly second-rate IMO. I got some of their decals to
make extra SP PS-2 hoppers, but I'll be using Microscale instead.

Tim O'

Kadee will also do small run decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm

Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.

Arved Grass

Re: speaking of Merchandise Service X29's

Tim O'Connor

#131303

And that, my friends, is what separates the SPF from the mere foamer!

Thanks for looking that all up, Bruce.

:-)

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Tim,

First, the business behind the freight house is W.B. THOMï¿½ and the sign below that says FUE..
Going with Thompson, I googled "wb thompson fuel" and found:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advertising-Wayneboro-PA-WB-Thompson-Son-Feed-Grain-Fuel-Phone-20-Pencil-/131407166365

It is a pencil advertising a company in Waynesboro PA. The company is a feed company and the
building in the photo looks to have some grain conveyors.

So I googled waynesboro freight house and got the top answer as a web page of Franklin County
RR stations http://www.west2k.com/pastations/franklinpa.shtml

Scrolling down, I got to the Waynesboro Cumberland Valley passenger station which has a
hot link to http :// www.west2k.com/papix/waynesborocv.jpg

This shows the passenger station. Look in the backgroundï¿½ Is that the same freight house?
I'm not sure because there are modifications. But for now, I'm going with Waynesboro PA.

Regards

Bruce

oil terminals

ed_mines

#131302

Thanks to Messrs. Bommer & Molina for their informative answers.

Ed Mines

Re: speaking of Merchandise Service X29's

Bruce Smith

#131301

Tim,

First, the business behind the freight house is “W.B. THOM…” and the sign below that says “FUE..”

Going with Thompson, I googled “wb thompson fuel" and found:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advertising-Wayneboro-PA-WB-Thompson-Son-Feed-Grain-Fuel-Phone-20-Pencil-/131407166365

It is a pencil advertising a company in Waynesboro PA. The company is a feed company and the building in the photo looks to have some grain conveyors.

So I googled “waynesboro freight house” and got the top answer as a web page of Franklin County PS RR stations

http://www.west2k.com/pastations/franklinpa.shtml

Scrolling down, I got to the Waynesboro Cumberland Valley passenger station which has a hot link to

http://www.west2k.com/papix/waynesborocv.jpg

This shows the passenger station. Look in the background… Is that the same freight house? I’m not sure because there are modifications. But for now, I’m going with Waynesboro PA.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Jan 22, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

any idea of the date and/or location? a neat little scene.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/15604835363/

Tim O'Connor

Re: One Last X29 Question

Chris Sawicki

#131300

All- I think the confusion is over the Red Caboose kit #7001. It is labeled 1928, with K brakes, but also has DNE's??.

Kit #7004 is labeled the same but with AB brakes.

From Ben's TKM articles, the 1928 version should have plate ends (my understanding) if it also has K brakes.

http://www.red-caboose.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?&shop=redcaboose&language=eng&curr=0&session=54c14a660783676f&cart_id=91711343x1923&product_display=RC-7001

Chris Sawicki

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...) (UNCLASSIFIED)

naptownprr

#131299

I know how you feel. I wonder if anyone reads my editorials. But I did read your X29 articles and took your information into account when building my last couple of RC X29s.

Jim Hunter

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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...) (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSI Caveats: NONE

Amen, Ben! Sometimes I think no one read any of those articles we wrote.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...)

Arved Grass asked:
"Is the Walthers X29 closer to the 1924 or 1928 build?"

The 1924-1925 build.

"In the absence of Red Caboose RC-7000 models (of the 1928 car), I'm looking for an easier way to model a 1928 version car than to kitbash the 1924 ends onto the 1932/1934 body (same 1928 sides, but with Dreadnaught ends)."

You're better off keeping an eye out for the Red Caboose 1928 models with flat ends instead of cutting up Dreadnaught end cars. Besides, building cars from the 1924-1925 production group will keep you plenty busy.

Please do yourself (and me) a huge favor, get the TKM articles, and READ THEM. I'd like to think that all of the effort we put into them (including giving them away for free at the time) was worth it.

Ben Hom

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Caveats: NONE

interesting 1952 photo

Tim O'Connor

#131298

Here's a recent upload with lots going on -- (1) Mexico (2) a PRR X29 evidently in 
a Mexican passenger train (3) a really cool D&RGW 50 foot double sheathed auto box car
and (4) an ex-SP mogul now owned by Ferrocarril del Pacifico!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16222828791/in/photostream/

Tim O'

Re: X29 articles

Benjamin Hom

#131297

George Walls asked:
"Where do I find the TKM articles you're referring to?"

The articles are available on the first two TKM CD volumes available from the PRRT&HS Company Store.  Go to http://www.prrths.com/and click on "TKM" for ordering information.  For the specific issues of TKM and Mainline Modeler, see my post from 16 January, 11:47 AM for more details.

Ben Hom

speaking of Merchandise Service X29's

Tim O'Connor

#131296

any idea of the date and/or location? a neat little scene.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/15604835363/

Tim O'Connor

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...) (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD

#131295

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Amen, Ben!  Sometimes I think no one read any of those articles we wrote.

Elden Gatwood

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-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...)

Arved Grass asked:
"Is the Walthers X29 closer to the 1924 or 1928 build?"

The 1924-1925 build.

"In the absence of Red Caboose RC-7000 models (of the 1928 car), I'm looking for an easier way to model a 1928 version car than to kitbash the 1924 ends onto the 1932/1934 body (same 1928 sides, but with Dreadnaught ends)."

You're better off keeping an eye out for the Red Caboose 1928 models with flat ends instead of cutting up Dreadnaught end cars. Besides, building cars from the 1924-1925 production group will keep you plenty busy.

Please do yourself (and me) a huge favor, get the TKM articles, and READ THEM. I'd like to think that all of the effort we put into them (including giving them away for free at the time) was worth it.

Ben Hom

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Re: cooper black italic font on railroad cars

Tim O'Connor

#131292

I do not recommend Kadee decals, unless you want your white letters
to have that "washed out" look. Kadee makes wonderful models but their
lettering is strictly second-rate IMO. I got some of their decals to
make extra SP PS-2 hoppers, but I'll be using Microscale instead.

Tim O'

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Kadee will also do small run decals:

http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/custom.htm

Microscale and Rail Graphics will do larger runs.

Arved Grass

X29 articles

ATSF1226

#131293

Ben,

Where do I find the TKM articles you're referring too.

Thanks

George Walls

Fw: Fwd: Thursday AM

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>

#131290

Sent from Samsung mobile

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From: Martin Boyask <ed_nmra@...>
To:
CC:

Would be better with a more scenic background and less spectators, but a hugely impressive layout

(no particular road or era.)

MB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrMnbe2LCU&feature=youtu.be

This is a cab view of a layout setup last weekend in Raleigh.

Re: Car Weights

Doug Pillow

#131291

I discovered for a lot of cars half inch nuts make close to ideal weight and very cheap fifty to a box

O&W caboose kit

Clark Propst

#131294

A friend asked me to ask on this list about an O&W laser wood caboose kit that was commissioned built by Branchline. He would like one if someone has an extra?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...)

Benjamin Hom

#131289

Arved Grass asked:
"Is the Walthers X29 closer to the 1924 or 1928 build?"

The 1924-1925 build. 

"In the absence of Red Caboose RC-7000 models (of the 1928 car), I'm looking for an easier way to model a 1928 version car than to kitbash the 1924 ends onto the 1932/1934 body (same 1928 sides, but with Dreadnaught ends)."
 
You're better off keeping an eye out for the Red Caboose 1928 models with flat ends instead of cutting up Dreadnaught end cars.  Besides, building cars from the 1924-1925 production group will keep you plenty busy. 

Please do yourself (and me) a huge favor, get the TKM articles, and READ THEM.  I'd like to think that all of the effort we put into them (including giving them away for free at the time) was worth it.

Ben Hom

One Last X29 Question (I promise. Well, maybe...)

arved_grass

#131288

Is the Walthers X29 closer to the 1924 or 1928 build? In the absence of Red Caboose RC-7000 models (of the 1928 car), I'm looking for an easier way to model a 1928 version car than to kitbash the 1924 ends onto the 1932/1934 body (same 1928 sides, but with Dreadnaught ends).

Photos of the Walthers cars on-line aren't detailed enough to see the difference. Although all I've seen (were I can read  the build date) show a build date prior  to 1928, my hope is it's usable, and I won't have to resort to kitbashing the 1928 cars (or avoiding them in my fleet).

Thanks,

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida