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undecorated Intermountain kits for sale

genegreen1942@...
 

I would like to sell the following undecorated Intermountain kits.  All are new, untouched and gray plastic.  I'll never get around to assembling and painting them.


Price for any one kit is $15.96, which is 20% off MSRP, plus actual shipping charge.  


If paying with Paypal price is $16.85 per kit plus actual shipping.  


You may specify shipping method and whether or not the shipment is insured.


Quantities available are as indicated below.

 

 ITEM  DESCRIPTION . . . . . . . . . . QTY

 40699 50' PS-1 double-door . . . . . . .  2

 40799 1937 40' AAR box car . . . . . .   4

 40899 40' 10'6" modified AAR box car  6

 41099 12 panel 40' box car . . . .  . . .   4

42750A Caswell gondola AB brakes . .  2

42750K Caswell gondola K brakes . . . . 2

 42998 Stock car AB brake . . . . . . . . . 2

 42999 Stock car K brake . . . . . . . . . . 2


Please contact me off list at genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com.


Gene Green

Out in the Badlands of New Mexico



Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tom Madden
 

It's Frank's project, I'll let him disclose the price. From the preliminary figures I've seen, it'll be considerably less than the acid tanks. Aaron Gjermundson is doing the casting for these uni-body kits.

Tom Madden


Re: flat car pole load

Jeffrey White
 

Garth,
There is no diagram for a 40 foot flat car in my 1954 IC freight car diagrams book.  The 1960 equipment list shows 15 40'2" piggyback cars.  They still had 145 of the 45' flats in 1960.

The 15 40'2" flats may have been C&IW cars they are included in the totals.  But C&IW cars are also in the diagram book.

Jeff White
Alma, IL

On 2/13/2015 3:41 AM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Friends,

The IC had similar 45' cars, series 61000-61199, which are shown in the 1931 CBC. Did they have Harriman 40' cars?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/13/15 1:03 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Tom Madden wrote:

 
Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.

    Not sure about the diagrams, Tom, but I'm looking at builder photos of both the SP and UP F-50-4 cars, and they pretty darn clearly have 12 stake pockets. ('m not counting internal end pockets.
    After UP and SP were split up, SP went away from the Bettendorf underframe but kept the same side sill design. UP may have changed the numbers of stake pockets, but SP continued with 12 per side as late as F-50-12, built in 1928-29. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Jeffrey White
 

I would buy several of those.  What will the price point be?  $65 for a resin acid car that you might need one or two of is one thing, but I couldn't afford that for 50-100 hoppers.

Jeff White
Alma, IL

On 2/13/2015 11:53 AM, tyesac@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Awsome master, casting!    In spite of my earlier post, those are cast on grabs anyone should be able to live with.
 
Tom Casey


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Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

tyesac@...
 

Awsome master, casting!    In spite of my earlier post, those are cast on grabs anyone should be able to live with.
 
Tom Casey


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Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling activity?

Me, for one, and I bet Clark Propst is the same. I simply realized I wanted to change being in the place you describe, Jim, and have built, traded or had someone build, essentially all the resin kits I had. I think there are three, maybe four, still here. Most of my 60 or so kits were traded or sold, but many were indeed built. This was one area where I did not particularly want to "die with the most unbuilt kits."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Thought I'd point out a detail that may be affecting the widely
varied responses to Frank's decision ...

It's a good idea (to me) to offer different products with different
target buyers. And anything that gets more guys building models
with increased accuracy/level of detailing/etc. is also a good idea.
Here's a piece of evidence supporting that ... even one of the
most skilled builders we all know (Richard H.) had a large quantity
of UNbuilt resin models in his "hobby shop in the closet".
Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models
seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who
amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that
he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on
those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling
activity?

So if a resin mfgr was to offer some long missing car - such as
the flat car recently mentioned - but to do it -only- in the cast on
grabs version ... then those of us wanting the same car but who
don't want cast on grabs ===> are left wanting.

Perhaps the correct solution would be to offer the cast on grabs
version only as an alternative to an already produced model in
that resin mfgr's line?
If the mfgr can 'rework' his line and issue the cast on grabs
versions of even his products that are long out of production -
there is the possibility that he can increase his business with
much less time/effort.
- Jim


Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tom Madden
 


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Jim King
 

I agree with Frank’s idea.  Resin kits scare a lot of would-be builders, just like piles of etched brass sheets in a diesel kit do. 

 

With a little ingenuity, which Frank has in abundance, the ladder stiles and rungs can be designed with tapered sides that help create the illusion of separate pieces.  That’s 1 of the many advantages of using rubber molds vs. traditional metal molds:  negatively drafted, shallow features mean nothing.  If properly done, looking dead-on to the model will look just fine.  Only shadows may allude to something else but careful weathering can hide some of that too.

 

Good for you, Frank!

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Clark Propst
 

Frank has always been in the admirable position of being able to make masters for cars he wanted. His personal line is no different. He needs lots of certain types of cars for his layout and doesn’t want to invent a ton of time assembling models. I think he’s been mulling this approach over for a few years. If no one buys them, he’ll just have more for himself  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Bill Welch
 

Elitist and i will add "Entitled" Tom, I totally agree with what you are saying. I might even buy the IC hopper and decal it for the NC&StL and ignore the fact that the length is not quite correct, but then I also prefer the Tichy 2-bay hopper. Shudder, call the Prototype Police.

Bill Welch


Re: flat car pole load

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

The IC had similar 45' cars, series 61000-61199, which are shown in the 1931 CBC. Did they have Harriman 40' cars?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/13/15 1:03 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Tom Madden wrote:

 
Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.

    Not sure about the diagrams, Tom, but I'm looking at builder photos of both the SP and UP F-50-4 cars, and they pretty darn clearly have 12 stake pockets. ('m not counting internal end pockets.
    After UP and SP were split up, SP went away from the Bettendorf underframe but kept the same side sill design. UP may have changed the numbers of stake pockets, but SP continued with 12 per side as late as F-50-12, built in 1928-29. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Greg Martin
 

Bill and all,
 
I think it is a grand idea.
 
To echo Tom's remarks it should be regarded as a stepping stone for the modeler. 
 
How many of us bought the ACCURAIL gondola when it cam out? Resin is just the choice of way the model is produced not the culture of the modeler. What you decide to do with it after you get it is truly up to you, isn't it?
 
I think there is a good market for it, but it may be price sensitive at first but it will have a following.
 
I trust that Frank's soul will be there in the level of detail.
 
Only a few know how many of Aaron Gjermundson's resin ends and sills were sold for last years(2014) SHAKE_N_TAKE kits and there is still an interest in them. 
 
Hell, this might just be the first resin kit I finish... 3^)     (wink wink Bill ~ just kidding)
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/12/2015 6:56:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

To clarify why this option would be offered, the kits are intended for those needing to build fleets of a certain prototype, especially gons and hoppers. IIRC one of the intended kits is a one-piece composite CB&Q gon offered as a kit years ago by Sunshine.


Bill Welch


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Tom Madden
 

Everyone is missing the point. Frank has made a business decision to offer simplified cast resin models to those who want models not available in plastic but who lack the skill or time to deal with traditional resin kits. It's not an either/or situation - the alternative is not a high end resin kit, it's not offering one at all.


It's kind of an elitist attitude, don't you think, to suggest that resin kit manufacturers tailor all their offerings exclusively to those of us with the skills to assemble anything Westerfield, Sunshine or Speedwitch ever produced. We're a very tiny part of the hobby market, so anything which might inspire modelers in the "next level down" to join our ranks should be encouraged. The modeler who assembles four IC chisel-sided hoppers from Frank in the time it takes me to do one of Sunshine's might well decide to tackle a more complex resin kit next time. That enlarges the market for all of us, which should be a good thing.


Tom Madden.


Re: flat car pole load

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Madden wrote:

 
Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.

    Not sure about the diagrams, Tom, but I'm looking at builder photos of both the SP and UP F-50-4 cars, and they pretty darn clearly have 12 stake pockets. ('m not counting internal end pockets.
    After UP and SP were split up, SP went away from the Bettendorf underframe but kept the same side sill design. UP may have changed the numbers of stake pockets, but SP continued with 12 per side as late as F-50-12, built in 1928-29. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

tyesac@...
 

Why not just provide NBW and a drilling location dimple?   I would think a "large fleet" buyer would also prefer buying prepainted, un numbered cars anyway, and not care much about grab irons either way.  
I prefer to avoid the carving chore for grabs and ladders and the gon in question has what, 12 or so grabs in total?    I recently carved off the ladders, brake platform hand brake and grabs from a Bowser round roof 40' single door car and that was a pain!    Wound up making a nice N&W B-1 though. 
 
Tom Casey

I sold my Sunshine 33.x kits last year for $37 each... I guess now I should have
held out for more money! :-) They were certainly beautiful kits and since Frank did
the masters I'm sure his 1-piece bodies will be very good too, albeit probably for
more than Sunshine's original $36 price.

Tim O'Connor



The CB&Q had over 6,000 of these gondolas so these are needed by any Midwest transition modeler. A lot of southern Illinois coal was moved in these cars to local coal dealers. Southern Illinois coal also moved into the Dakotas and Minnesota from the Q to GN and NP, so even modelers in that area could justify having one or two of these cars. A friend put together three of the Sunshine kits for me and I consider them the stars of my freight car fleet. Considering they are no longer available from Sunshine, and I would be very surprised to see them in plastic, I would look forward to a resin kit which would speed construction of at least another dozen or so. There are no ladders on these cars, only grab irons.

Bill Hirt

On 2/12/2015 1:31 PM, Maxine burgerbits20@... [STMFC] wrote:
Hi:this group buys resin cars because we want a certain level of detail, which includes seperate grab irons and ladders. There are numerous RTR cars  and simple kits which are fast builds. I don't see the appeal of a lesser detailed resin kit. At best it precludes the production of a kit with greater detail depriving us of this model. Thanks. Marty cooper
 
 
 
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Sent: Thu, Feb 12, 2015 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

 

I sold my Sunshine 33.x kits last year for $37 each... I guess now I should have
held out for more money! :-) They were certainly beautiful kits and since Frank did
the masters I'm sure his 1-piece bodies will be very good too, albeit probably for
more than Sunshine's original $36 price.

Tim O'Connor



The CB&Q had over 6,000 of these gondolas so these are needed by any Midwest transition modeler. A lot of southern Illinois coal was moved in these cars to local coal dealers. Southern Illinois coal also moved into the Dakotas and Minnesota from the Q to GN and NP, so even modelers in that area could justify having one or two of these cars. A friend put together three of the Sunshine kits for me and I consider them the stars of my freight car fleet. Considering they are no longer available from Sunshine, and I would be very surprised to see them in plastic, I would look forward to a resin kit which would speed construction of at least another dozen or so. There are no ladders on these cars, only grab irons.

Bill Hirt

On 2/12/2015 1:31 PM, Maxine burgerbits20@... [STMFC] wrote:
Hi:this group buys resin cars because we want a certain level of detail, which includes seperate grab irons and ladders. There are numerous RTR cars  and simple kits which are fast builds. I don't see the appeal of a lesser detailed resin kit. At best it precludes the production of a kit with greater detail depriving us of this model. Thanks. Marty cooper


Re: flat car pole load

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

An SP F-50-4 had 12 pockets. I have no photos of those UP flat classes (I assume
that's what you're discussing here?) but if they were "Harriman" cars then a very
strong family resemblance makes sense! It sure doesn't help that the two roads used
the same class designations for cars of different designs. :-/

Tim O'

Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.

All were 40'-10" over the decks and had straight side sills, so there was a clear "family" appearance. What am I missing that would exclude these 2900 UP flats from the population being discussed?

Tom madden


Re: flat car pole load

Tom Madden
 

Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.


All were 40'-10" over the decks and had straight side sills, so there was a clear "family" appearance. What am I missing that would exclude these 2900 UP flats from the population being discussed?


Tom madden


Re: flat car pole load

Charles Etheredge
 

You are right on Tim.  I have begged for these for the longest, but without success.  I need at least 20 of them for my layout.

Charles Etheredge  
Modeling the TNO in the 40's


Re: Resin Car Works website

william darnaby
 

More specifically, it was 2 to 3 drops of Scalecoat Cornell Red in the paint cup with the Milwaukee orange. But, IMHO, the Milwaukee orange is pretty close as is. YMMV.



Bill Darnaby



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
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Gary,



I posted your query to Frank and here's his note.



Darnaby used Scalecoat Milwaukee orange with a couple drops of red. For the Bronze Green Humbrol has that color. It was used in the interiors of TBF/TBM.

Frank





I hope that helps!



Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

El Paso, TX

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