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Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Mike Fortney
 

Frank, of course, has a great number of those signature C&IM coal gons with the cast-on details on his C&IW layout. One is superdetailed to the max with stand-off grabs, etc. Even under good layout lighting, it's very difficult to pick that one out of the crowd.
As much as I appreciated the Sunshine IC 2-bay chisel-side hopper kit (among others), look forward to filling out my layout fleet with RCW "cast-on" hoppers.

Mike Fortney


Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

 

I know a DRGW modeler who can¹t afford a fleet of the brass GS gondolas
Challenger came out with a while back, even if he could find them. A resin
kit like this, thoughŠ..

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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That's a beautiful casting.

I also sold my Sunshine IC hopper car kit -- Hopper cars are probably
among the most difficult resin kits to build, unless they are complete
one piece bodies like this one.

Yes, I can see how IC and midwestern modelers will be thrilled to have
this hopper car model in multiples! If Frank were interested in the SP
I think he'd have equal success with two bay side dump ballast hoppers
cast in this way.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tim O'Connor
 

That's a beautiful casting.

I also sold my Sunshine IC hopper car kit -- Hopper cars are probably
among the most difficult resin kits to build, unless they are complete
one piece bodies like this one.

Yes, I can see how IC and midwestern modelers will be thrilled to have
this hopper car model in multiples! If Frank were interested in the SP
I think he'd have equal success with two bay side dump ballast hoppers
cast in this way.

Tim O'Connor


Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

Brad Andonian
 

I love zerohedge---wish they offered more vintage steam articles though...   I would be keen to see the CB&Q pic.

Brad Andonian
out west---where it rains.


On Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM, "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Oops, wrong key sorry, it is Friday the 13th!
 
 
gary “egg on the key board” laakso
 
 
 
 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:08 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923
 
 
While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 



Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

gary laakso
 

Oops, wrong key sorry, it is Friday the 13th!
 
 
gary “egg on the key board” laakso
 
 
 
 

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Subject: [STMFC] an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923
 
 

While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 


Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

 

I don¹t think that link is what you intended.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the
front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.
The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-13/300-us-troops-iraq-under-severe-thr
eat-after-isis-seizes-nearby-town

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock








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an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

gary laakso
 

While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Tim O'Connor
 

Elitist and i will add "Entitled" Tom, I totally agree with what you are saying.
>> I might even buy the IC hopper and decal it for the NC&StL and ignore the fact that
>> the length is not quite correct, but then I also prefer the Tichy 2-bay hopper.
>> Shudder, call the Prototype Police.
>> Bill Welch

Wow, do we always have to devolve into name calling here? Can't people
express their preferences without being attacked and having mudpie epithets
thrown at them? I just originally said I'm not -personally- willing to pay
hand-poured resin prices for a model that I'd need to upgrade -- I have no
problem if Frank wants to sell a dozen or more "quick kits" to a customer,
and I have no problem with people who want that. To each his/her own.

Tim O'Connor

Disclaimer: I bought one of Frank's quickie kits at Naperville years ago.
It was a simplified version of the huge C&IM coal gondolas that he'd made
for his "freelance prototype" railroad. I just wanted something from his
layout! :-)


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Pierre Oliver
 

Really Armand?
Way to kick over the can. :-)

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 2/13/2015 2:59 PM, 'Armand' armprem2@surfglobal.net [STMFC] wrote:
Begs the question,what are some of those missing cars?I'll bet that the list
would vary greatly with individual modelers.Armand Premo
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders


Hi,

Thought I'd point out a detail that may be affecting the widely
varied responses to Frank's decision ...

It's a good idea (to me) to offer different products with different
target buyers. And anything that gets more guys building models
with increased accuracy/level of detailing/etc. is also a good idea.
Here's a piece of evidence supporting that ... even one of the
most skilled builders we all know (Richard H.) had a large quantity
of UNbuilt resin models in his "hobby shop in the closet".
Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models
seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who
amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that
he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on
those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling
activity?

So if a resin mfgr was to offer some long missing car - such as
the flat car recently mentioned - but to do it -only- in the cast on
grabs version ... then those of us wanting the same car but who
don't want cast on grabs ===> are left wanting.

Perhaps the correct solution would be to offer the cast on grabs
version only as an alternative to an already produced model in
that resin mfgr's line?
If the mfgr can 'rework' his line and issue the cast on grabs
versions of even his products that are long out of production -
there is the possibility that he can increase his business with
much less time/effort.
- Jim


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Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Armand Premo
 

Begs the question,what are some of those missing cars?I'll bet that the list would vary greatly with individual modelers.Armand Premo

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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders


Hi,

Thought I'd point out a detail that may be affecting the widely
varied responses to Frank's decision ...

It's a good idea (to me) to offer different products with different
target buyers. And anything that gets more guys building models
with increased accuracy/level of detailing/etc. is also a good idea.
Here's a piece of evidence supporting that ... even one of the
most skilled builders we all know (Richard H.) had a large quantity
of UNbuilt resin models in his "hobby shop in the closet".
Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models
seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who
amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that
he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on
those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling
activity?

So if a resin mfgr was to offer some long missing car - such as
the flat car recently mentioned - but to do it -only- in the cast on
grabs version ... then those of us wanting the same car but who
don't want cast on grabs ===> are left wanting.

Perhaps the correct solution would be to offer the cast on grabs
version only as an alternative to an already produced model in
that resin mfgr's line?
If the mfgr can 'rework' his line and issue the cast on grabs
versions of even his products that are long out of production -
there is the possibility that he can increase his business with
much less time/effort.
- Jim


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Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

steel77086@...
 

Tom,
 
I'm with you (and Frank Hodina). I do not have unlimited  time just for resin kit building,besides all the other facets of layout building (locomotives,structures,scenery,etc.). My wife's recent death also has me thinking about how much time I have left on this planet.  In addition, I already have some resin cars waiting  to be assembled, but I also have cars produced  which have molded on but thin profile grabs, so I can live with that if it means getting something not already produced by the bigger firms in this business. I look forward to his new products.
 
Vince Altiere
 

In a message dated 2/13/2015 1:10:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:


Everyone is missing the point. Frank has made a business decision to offer simplified cast resin models to those who want models not available in plastic but who lack the skill or time to deal with traditional resin kits. It's not an either/or situation - the alternative is not a high end resin kit, it's not offering one at all.


It's kind of an elitist attitude, don't you think, to suggest that resin kit manufacturers tailor all their offerings exclusively to those of us with the skills to assemble anything Westerfield, Sunshine or Speedwitch ever produced. We're a very tiny part of the hobby market, so anything which might inspire modelers in the "next level down" to join our ranks should be encouraged. The modeler who assembles four IC chisel-sided hoppers from Frank in the time it takes me to do one of Sunshine's might well decide to tackle a more complex resin kit next time. That enlarges the market for all o f us, which should be a good thing.


Tom Madden.


Re: Harriman flat cars [Was: flat car pole load]

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

The IC had similar 45' cars, series 61000-61199, which are shown in the 1931 CBC. Did they have Harriman 40' cars?


  Garth, I don't believe they did, though it is possible. Most Harriman freight car designs were bought just by Associated Lines (IC never came under Associated Lines management), and historians have concluded that Harriman locomotives purchased by non-Harriman roads were largely "add-ons" to Associated Lines orders, offering a good price to roads which did so. Aside from a very few box cars, I don't know of other Harriman freight cars bought by non-Associated Lines roads. But if anyone knows more, I'd like to hear about it.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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undecorated Intermountain kits for sale

genegreen1942@...
 

I would like to sell the following undecorated Intermountain kits.  All are new, untouched and gray plastic.  I'll never get around to assembling and painting them.


Price for any one kit is $15.96, which is 20% off MSRP, plus actual shipping charge.  


If paying with Paypal price is $16.85 per kit plus actual shipping.  


You may specify shipping method and whether or not the shipment is insured.


Quantities available are as indicated below.

 

 ITEM  DESCRIPTION . . . . . . . . . . QTY

 40699 50' PS-1 double-door . . . . . . .  2

 40799 1937 40' AAR box car . . . . . .   4

 40899 40' 10'6" modified AAR box car  6

 41099 12 panel 40' box car . . . .  . . .   4

42750A Caswell gondola AB brakes . .  2

42750K Caswell gondola K brakes . . . . 2

 42998 Stock car AB brake . . . . . . . . . 2

 42999 Stock car K brake . . . . . . . . . . 2


Please contact me off list at genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com.


Gene Green

Out in the Badlands of New Mexico



Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tom Madden
 

It's Frank's project, I'll let him disclose the price. From the preliminary figures I've seen, it'll be considerably less than the acid tanks. Aaron Gjermundson is doing the casting for these uni-body kits.

Tom Madden


Re: flat car pole load

Jeffrey White
 

Garth,
There is no diagram for a 40 foot flat car in my 1954 IC freight car diagrams book.  The 1960 equipment list shows 15 40'2" piggyback cars.  They still had 145 of the 45' flats in 1960.

The 15 40'2" flats may have been C&IW cars they are included in the totals.  But C&IW cars are also in the diagram book.

Jeff White
Alma, IL

On 2/13/2015 3:41 AM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Friends,

The IC had similar 45' cars, series 61000-61199, which are shown in the 1931 CBC. Did they have Harriman 40' cars?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/13/15 1:03 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Tom Madden wrote:

 
Are these Harriman flats unique to the SP? I have what's supposed to be a complete set of UP flat car diagrams, and the only ones I see with 12 stake pockets are the 100 truss rod flats built by the Seattle Car Co. in 1913. The F-40-2 and F-50-1 through F-50-4 were quite numerous (almost 1900 cars) but had 13 stake pockets per side. There were 500 each of the F-50-5 and near-twin F-50-7, but they had 15 pockets per side (13 as on the earlier cars plus another on the end of each end sill) - plus two internal stake pockets at each end. I also have the General Design drawing for the F-50-5 and can detect no taper in the ends of the side sills. It does have an overhanging deck and bolted blocking between stake pockets.

    Not sure about the diagrams, Tom, but I'm looking at builder photos of both the SP and UP F-50-4 cars, and they pretty darn clearly have 12 stake pockets. ('m not counting internal end pockets.
    After UP and SP were split up, SP went away from the Bettendorf underframe but kept the same side sill design. UP may have changed the numbers of stake pockets, but SP continued with 12 per side as late as F-50-12, built in 1928-29. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Jeffrey White
 

I would buy several of those.  What will the price point be?  $65 for a resin acid car that you might need one or two of is one thing, but I couldn't afford that for 50-100 hoppers.

Jeff White
Alma, IL

On 2/13/2015 11:53 AM, tyesac@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Awsome master, casting!    In spite of my earlier post, those are cast on grabs anyone should be able to live with.
 
Tom Casey


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Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

tyesac@...
 

Awsome master, casting!    In spite of my earlier post, those are cast on grabs anyone should be able to live with.
 
Tom Casey


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Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling activity?

Me, for one, and I bet Clark Propst is the same. I simply realized I wanted to change being in the place you describe, Jim, and have built, traded or had someone build, essentially all the resin kits I had. I think there are three, maybe four, still here. Most of my 60 or so kits were traded or sold, but many were indeed built. This was one area where I did not particularly want to "die with the most unbuilt kits."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Thought I'd point out a detail that may be affecting the widely
varied responses to Frank's decision ...

It's a good idea (to me) to offer different products with different
target buyers. And anything that gets more guys building models
with increased accuracy/level of detailing/etc. is also a good idea.
Here's a piece of evidence supporting that ... even one of the
most skilled builders we all know (Richard H.) had a large quantity
of UNbuilt resin models in his "hobby shop in the closet".
Perhaps even because they are resin kits - our resin models
seem to be easy to "buy more than you will ever build". Who
amongst us can say he doesn't have a supply of resin kits that
he couldn't finish in a year if he did nothing else but work on
those kits and focused on just that as his 'only' modeling
activity?

So if a resin mfgr was to offer some long missing car - such as
the flat car recently mentioned - but to do it -only- in the cast on
grabs version ... then those of us wanting the same car but who
don't want cast on grabs ===> are left wanting.

Perhaps the correct solution would be to offer the cast on grabs
version only as an alternative to an already produced model in
that resin mfgr's line?
If the mfgr can 'rework' his line and issue the cast on grabs
versions of even his products that are long out of production -
there is the possibility that he can increase his business with
much less time/effort.
- Jim


Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tom Madden
 

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