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Re: IC Harriman Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff White wrote:

While the IC was not officially a Harriman road . . . In 1906 Fish and Harriman had a falling out and Harriman engineered Fish's termination as president replacing him with James T Harahan. Harriman remained on the Board of Directors until his death in 1909.
Quite true, and the syndicate which Harriman headed controlled the stock of the IC and thus its board, not merely the president, after November 1907.

It did however buy "Harriman pattern" locomotives and passenger cars. I don't know enough about Harriman freight cars to tell what IC cars of the era might be Harriman type cars . . .
The box cars in IC series 140000-142999, bought in 1908, were very similar to Harriman Class B-50-4 though not identical. I'm not aware of others.

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Bachmann HO Scale Reefer

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The Yahoo Southern Pacific site announced the availability of an HO scale PFE reefer in the Bachmann Silver Series.

 

Here is a link to the product:

 

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_324_327_969&products_id=5890

 

This same car is offered decorated for Pure Carbonic Company, URTX/Soo, American Refrigerator Transit and Merchant's Despatch.

 

Does anyone know more about this model?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
IC Harriman Cars

Jeffrey White
 

While the IC was not officially a Harriman road, from 1887 to 1906 Stuyvesant Fish was president and his friend and business ally EH Harriman was on the board of directors and served as vice president of the railroad.

In 1906 Fish and Harriman had a falling out and Harriman engineered Fish's termination as president replacing him with James T Harahan. Harriman remained on the Board of Directors until his death in 1909.

The IC remained tied to the Harriman family through EH Harriman's son W. Averell Harriman who sat on the board of directors from 1913 to 1946.

The UP held a large amount of IC stock until 1982, but the railroad never became subservient to the UP.

It did however buy "Harriman pattern" locomotives and passenger cars. I don't know enough about Harriman freight cars to tell what IC cars of the era might be Harriman type cars, but the 45' flat that Garth asked about looks very close to the 40 ' flat in the pole load photo.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
Re: Door battens on two refrigerator cars

Jack Mullen
 

This pair of photos from Terry Link's Canada Southern site also show meat reefers with the side doors covered with large paper sheets, in a NYC freight yard in Manhattan in the mid-'30s. The second photo was recently linked in the thread about the BFDX billboard reefer, and that was the first time I'd noticed this type of door sealing on reefers. Now another example has come to light, so apparently this wasn't an isolated practice. Perhaps it's significant that all the cars involved are meat reefers.

Since these photos are in NYC, it's very likely that the reefers are either loads near the end of their trips, or else have just been made empty and then been sealed. Some of the door papering appears damaged, so I'd guess that it's not freshly done, and the cars are loaded. I'd go with Doug Harding's theory that the papering is to prevent air infiltration and contamination on cars with poorly sealing doors.
Re: Poling Outlawed?

J.A. Phillips
 

List-

Does anyone know when poling was outlawed? There was an interesting post by John Nehrich on the NEB&W fan page on Facebook this week regarding a little poling yard along the D&H served by a narrow-gauge electric unit...

RSVP
John Phillips
Seattle


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Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

MDelvec952
 



Thanks for posting the photos -- master caster indeed. I was hoping that Frank would produce this car.

As for the cast on grabs -- will make that decision when I build the kit. Based on the photos I would prefer wire.   I have two of the Sunshine version of this hopper (from Hodina patterns) and haven't built them yet since they're tough to get. I was saving them to use as a pattern or to scan for some sort of 3D printed version but now there's no need.  This style of off-set hopper was more common than many realize, and numerous on the Road of Anthracite.

                ....Mike Del Vecchio




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From: Jeffrey White jrwhite@... [STMFC]
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Sent: Fri, Feb 13, 2015 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

 
I would buy several of those.  What will the price point be?  $65 for a resin acid car that you might need one or two of is one thing, but I couldn't afford that for 50-100 hoppers.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
On 2/13/2015 11:53 AM, tyesac@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Awsome master, casting!    In spite of my earlier post, those are cast on grabs anyone should be able to live with.
 
Tom Casey


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Subject: [STMFC] Resin kits w/cast on details - photos


Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

Dennis Storzek
 

I don't see anything so unusual about it. It might extend past the end of the roof, but so do the end posts in this car. It's arranged to slide down in tracks that make use of the outer flanges of the 4" Z posts, with a little "roof" over the tops of the posts to close the opening. The Soo Line used a lumber door that was almost the same, but the tracks mounted to the Z's held the door closer to the end sheathing.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Larry Buell
 

Clark wrote:

Frank has always been in the admirable position of being able to make masters for cars he wanted. His personal line is no different. He needs lots of certain types of cars for his layout and doesn’t want to invent a ton of time assembling models. I think he’s been mulling this approach over for a few years. If no one buys them, he’ll just have more for himself ; ))

Amen, well stated.

Larry Buell
Re: flat car pole load

Clark Propst
 

Anyone approach Chad Boas about doing the car?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Andy Harman
 

At 12:42 PM 2/12/2015 -0800, you wrote:
Don't fall into the trap that "it's more accurate model because it's a resin kit". That's certainly not the case.
No, but "it's more expensive because it's a resin kit", "it takes more effort to build because it's a resin kit", and "it's very limited production because it's a resin kit" are all basically true and go against the notion of a "fleet" model.

I've been harping for years for an N&W H10 hopper, and while I'd welcome a RYM quality resin kit, I'm really hoping someone does it in styrene, does it well, and in RTR form fully detailed. First choice would be Tangent. But I'd probably accept something on the level of Bowser's hoppers with molded on details. But a resin kit with all of the normal issues, expenses, wait time (could an order for, say 50 cars be filled in a timely manner), and the hassles of the build and then have to chisel off molded on details? That wouldn't be good. But at this point I'd probably take a dimensionally accurate H10 in any form that's not $100 apiece - not that they're available now even at that price. The only HO H10 I've ever seen is Jim Six's stick built one.

Andy
Re: flat car pole load

Clark Propst
 

How about this setup.
MILW 64179 idler
SOO 4791 Poles
CB&Q 89037 idler
 
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Armand Premo
 

Tim,I don't consider being called an"Elitist"necessarily objectionable.I consider it a complement.A cut above if you will.  :-  )) Armand Premo----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

 


>> Elitist and i will add "Entitled" Tom, I totally agree with what you are saying.
>> I might even buy the IC hopper and decal it for the NC&StL and ignore the fact that
>> the length is not quite correct, but then I also prefer the Tichy 2-bay hopper.
>> Shudder, call the Prototype Police.
>> Bill Welch

Wow, do we always have to devolve into name calling here? Can't people
express their preferences without being attacked and having mudpie epithets
thrown at them? I just originally said I'm not -personally- willing to pay
hand-poured resin prices for a model that I'd need to upgrade -- I have no
problem if Frank wants to sell a dozen or more "quick kits" to a customer,
and I have no problem with people who want that. To each his/her own.

Tim O'Connor

Disclaimer: I bought one of Frank's quickie kits at Naperville years ago.
It was a simplified version of the huge C&IM coal gondolas that he'd made
for his "freelance prototype" railroad. I just wanted something from his
layout! :-)

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Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Gary

Thanks for the link to the photo. I think there’s another number after the “5” – the only 13085 was built before 1885 and was off the roster by 1912!.  This was a XM-21, 40’ I.L. numbered 130251-131250, built by Bettendorf in 1916. The lumber door measured 2’ x 1’ 6”.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

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Subject: [STMFC] an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

 




While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:

 

 

gary laakso

south of Mike Brock 


Re: Resin Kits w/cast-on grabs/ladders

Mike Fortney
 

Frank, of course, has a great number of those signature C&IM coal gons with the cast-on details on his C&IW layout. One is superdetailed to the max with stand-off grabs, etc. Even under good layout lighting, it's very difficult to pick that one out of the crowd.
As much as I appreciated the Sunshine IC 2-bay chisel-side hopper kit (among others), look forward to filling out my layout fleet with RCW "cast-on" hoppers.

Mike Fortney
Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I know a DRGW modeler who can¹t afford a fleet of the brass GS gondolas
Challenger came out with a while back, even if he could find them. A resin
kit like this, thoughŠ..

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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That's a beautiful casting.

I also sold my Sunshine IC hopper car kit -- Hopper cars are probably
among the most difficult resin kits to build, unless they are complete
one piece bodies like this one.

Yes, I can see how IC and midwestern modelers will be thrilled to have
this hopper car model in multiples! If Frank were interested in the SP
I think he'd have equal success with two bay side dump ballast hoppers
cast in this way.

Tim O'Connor
Re: Resin kits w/cast on details - photos

Tim O'Connor
 

That's a beautiful casting.

I also sold my Sunshine IC hopper car kit -- Hopper cars are probably
among the most difficult resin kits to build, unless they are complete
one piece bodies like this one.

Yes, I can see how IC and midwestern modelers will be thrilled to have
this hopper car model in multiples! If Frank were interested in the SP
I think he'd have equal success with two bay side dump ballast hoppers
cast in this way.

Tim O'Connor
Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

Brad Andonian
 

I love zerohedge---wish they offered more vintage steam articles though...   I would be keen to see the CB&Q pic.

Brad Andonian
out west---where it rains.


On Friday, February 13, 2015 12:30 PM, "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Oops, wrong key sorry, it is Friday the 13th!
 
 
gary “egg on the key board” laakso
 
 
 
 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:08 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923
 
 
While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 


Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

gary laakso
 

Oops, wrong key sorry, it is Friday the 13th!
 
 
gary “egg on the key board” laakso
 
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:08 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [STMFC] an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923
 
 

While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 

Re: an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I don¹t think that link is what you intended.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the
front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.
The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-13/300-us-troops-iraq-under-severe-thr
eat-after-isis-seizes-nearby-town

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock








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an odd lumber door CB&Q style in 1923

gary laakso
 

While in the foreground is a shiny B&O 2-8-8-0, in the background by the front of the locomotive is single sheathed boxcar CB&Q 1308 and I think a 5.  The lumber door has a frame that extends out beyond the end of the roof:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock 

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