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Re: Wood running boards

Will Seehorn
 

The poles are on the locomotive, the cars only have poling pockets

;)

Willard

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
Sent: Feb 28, 2015 12:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Wood running boards

 

Pierre Oliver wrote

  > Great! So laterals are out?
  > Just when I'd finally trained myself not to use the term endwalks. :-(


Not for me... I'll stick to lengthwise and laterals until someone comes
up with a less ridiculously bureaucratic(*) term.

If freight cars have longitude and latitude, then where are the poles?

Tim O'Connor

(*) officious MCBA, ARA and AAR documents


Re: Wood running boards

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Mike. I feel much better.
 
Paul Hillman
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wood running boards

 

Paul Hillman asks:

"Is "caboose" an official term, or is another name more "official"? I don't
care."

Well, rest assured...even if you don't care...that the term "caboose" is an
official, acceptable, railroad term. My "official" UP Frt Conductor Book has
the heading, "Caboose" clearly spelled out on the page where a train's
consist is shown. Therefore, "Caboose" is an official term for the STMFC.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Running Board Terminology

Steve Haas
 

<<For example I am very interested in Type and Typography and find it frustrating when people use the term "Font" when they are clearly talking about Type.>>

 

Or stencils?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie

 


Re: Wood running boards

Carl Gustafson
 

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:38:31PM -0500, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] wrote:

If freight cars have longitude and latitude, then where are the poles?
Hanging on the sides of locomotives, for when the freight cars have to be pushed on a parallel track.

Carl "GDR" Gustafson


WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modelers:

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Running Board Terminology

Bill Welch
 

Taking Jim Betz up on his challenge of a new subject line or box, although he failed to explain why he did not change it himself, LOL, I do think precision in language and terminology is always helpful and it never hurts us to be better informed about the subjects we are interested in particularly. For example I am very interested in Type and Typography and find it frustrating when people use the term "Font" when they are clearly talking about Type.

Bill Welch


Re: Powdered Graphite (And Powdered Teflon)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is the product recommended in a La Mesa Model Railroad Club video for lubricating truck journals:

 

http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/E450

 

It is powdered Teflon in a liquid carrier.

 

The La Mesa Model Railroad Club operates the very large Tehachapi Loop layout at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum. They are fanatical about rolling stock performance.

 

If you cannot find this product at your local big box retailer or hardware store I recall the person in the video clip saying this product was available at lock-and-key shops.

 

I’ve used it for truck journals with very good results.  I spay the Teflon into a small container (such as a shot glass) and apply the liquid to the journals with a microbrush.  You do not need to remove the wheels.  The liquid carrier quickly evaporates, leaving the Teflon in place.

 

There are similar graphite products that work the same way.

 

The video clip from the La Mesa Club is on this link:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISc_XMbTnU

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Powdered Graphite

seameadow17
 

Hello Group,

I enjoy reading your posts while lurking in the background and feel I can learn from this group.  I was wondering if anyone has tried powdered graphite for couplers and wheel sets?  I am using Kadee Whisker couplers and Kadee 33" ribbed back wheel sets for my freight cars and 36" ribbed for my passenger equipment as I mostly model steam era and transition era railroading.

I have used graphite quite a bit while helping scouts build their pine cars for their derby races and it seemed to do a world of good.  I have a ton of Accurail and Athearn cars that I replace the couplers with the Kadee Whiskers and also ream out the truck journals while replacing the wheel sets with the Kadee ones.

I am not fond of oils as I do realize they are a magnet for dust and dirt.

Thank you for your time and any information you might have.

Jim Violante

jgviolante@...


Re: Wood running boards

Dennis Storzek
 

Intersection of the roof center lines, and the same for the underframe. :-)

Dennis


Re: Wood running boards

Tom Madden
 

Tim asked:

> If freight cars have longitude and latitude, then where are the poles?


Why, in the poling pockets, of course.


Tom Madden


picture location was Re: Re: CH&D&PM System what is it

SUVCWORR@...
 

Eric,

This photo appears to me to be of the P&LE yard during the widening of the Smithfield Street Bridge in 1911 and taken from the bridge looking towards Carson St.  See the map at

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps;entryid=x-20090924-hopkins-0024

A portion of the yard is perpendicular to the river.  On the map the Smithfield Street bridge is marked as the Monongahela Suspension Bridge.  The south sidewalk is to the right of the bridge on the map. 

The B&O Try Street yard was beneath the PRR Panhandle bridge,

Rich Orr



Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library

Tim O'Connor
 


A very unusual car, with that access hatch (?) on the tank next to the dome.

Tim O'



Here is an unusual view of a three compartment tank car.

http://kdl.kyvl.org/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_2661_1


Scott Haycock


Re: Wood running boards

Tim O'Connor
 

Pierre Oliver wrote

  > Great! So laterals are out?
  > Just when I'd finally trained myself not to use the term endwalks. :-(


Not for me... I'll stick to lengthwise and laterals until someone comes
up with a less ridiculously bureaucratic(*) term.

If freight cars have longitude and latitude, then where are the poles?

Tim O'Connor

(*) officious MCBA, ARA and AAR documents


Re: CH&D&PM System what is it

Eric Hansmann
 

Rich,

I believe the firring strip framing you see is a remnant of a poster. the paper is gone but the framing remains.

Also not the metal strips above the CH&D oval. I think those were also installed for an advertising banner of some sort. I also like the tag on the door. 

The caption seems a bit odd as freight rails did not cross Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh. The B&O had a terminal on the downtown side while the P&LE had a terminal across the Monongahela. This photo may have been taken at the Try Street team yard or possibly at the old B&O freight house yard. It is a great window to the past no matter the actual location.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX 


Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library

Bill Welch
 

The boxcar in the lower right is a L&N Pratt trusted boxcar, similar if not identical to the one under much discussion earlier in the week.

Bill Welch


Re: Digital Images - University of Kentucky's Digital Library

Eric Hansmann
 

This looks to be an early style batch plant for a construction site. Note the hoppers are loaded to the halfway point with a light color material. Also note a covered hopper further into the photo on another track. And at the far right I see a PFE reefer coupled to an FGE, and on the same track as an MDT car. Look to the right and is that an ART reefer on the far side of the baggage car?  

Those L&N 36-foot DS box cars would be a nice addition to a product line. Many of their ventilated cars seemed to use the same design.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: Wood running boards

Jim Betz
 

WHEW !!! - for one whole digest there was only one post about this very
important topic. I was afraid that someone's prediction that it
would "run thru the weekend" was wrong!
I'm -SO- happy it has evolved to a discussion of the proper
terminology for the "end thingeys" ... ;-)
- Jim

P.S. But shouldn't the topic title have changed ... oh shucks, that wouldn't
be following the long standing practice on this group where Every
thread that has more than 10 posts changes what we are talking
about - without changing the thread title. :-(


Re: Wood running boards

Bill Welch
 

Exactly. Thank you Guy!

Bill Welch


Re: Wood running boards

Pierre Oliver
 

Great! So laterals are out?
Just when I'd finally trained myself not to use the term endwalks. :-(
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/28/2015 11:41 AM, Guy Wilber guycwilber@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Rob Wrote:

"What was Frank’s rationale for preferring that term Bill?"

Frank's rationale for the term would be the fact that "latitudinal" is the choice of nomenclature on every official MCBA, ARA and AAR plate covering this portion of running boards applied to house cars.

The same is present within the Associations' discussion thereof or printed documentation of official letter ballots, circulars, text, etc.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



Re: Wood running boards

Guy Wilber
 

Rob Wrote:

"What was Frank’s rationale for preferring that term Bill?"

Frank's rationale for the term would be the fact that "latitudinal" is the choice of nomenclature on every official MCBA, ARA and AAR plate covering this portion of running boards applied to house cars.

The same is present within the Associations' discussion thereof or printed documentation of official letter ballots, circulars, text, etc.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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