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Re: Mike's article

Tom Madden
 

Another thought...


Clark, look at it this way. Suppose you found out the quiet, dull and uninteresting guy in the next office was dating Scarlett Johansson. (If you don't know who she is, insert the name of your favorite glamorous movie star here.) You'd certainly view him in a new light, and have a lot more respect for him. Mike's interest in passenger trains makes him a much more interesting and (dare I say it?) respectable person.


Whether Mike views the parade of yellow and gray (or gray and gray, or green) passenger and mail trains over Sherman Hill as a hindrance to the real purpose of the railroad or vice versa is beside the point - his interest in both freight and passenger equipment and operations elevates him. He might even impress Scarlett Johansson with his Big Boy.


Tom Madden


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

SP F50-4 would be very welcome


Paul Doggett UK




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"Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

gary laakso wrote:

 
The Harriman flat cars will sell very well from all the expressions of interest from UP and ESPEE modelers.

      These are the early Harriman cars, with mildly fishbelly side sills of pressed steel, classes F-50-1 to -3. Though they lasted MANY years in MOW service, they were largely out of revenue service by World War II. What many SP and UP modelers have been clamoring for is the straight-side-sill cars, F-50-4 and thereafter, which were in revenue service well through the transition era. I believe those are also under study at Westerfield.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Mike's article

Bill Schneider
 

…just don’t call it the “Fast Mail”…



Heading for jail…



Bill Schneider



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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mike's article





Clark Propst writes:

"At last night’s ops I had a chance to thumb through the latest RMC. I was
anxious to see Mike Brock’s article. Wow, was I surprised! It was about a
passenger train!!!...A passenger train!!!! I spun the magazine around so the
others could see and said “This guy owns the Steam Freight Car Yahoo group.”
The answers were all the same “So why is he writing about a passenger
train?” "

Hmmm. Believe it or not, I am wordless...but only for a few seconds. First,
as was pointed out, I am the "owner" of the STMFC. As such, I ruled several
yrs ago that a mail train could be considered to be a frt train...since as I
noted, it can and did haul freight. More so, in fact, than passengers.
Second, I do...from time to time...write about other aspects of RR's...even
regarding steam locomotives. So, I don't just confine myself to frt cars.

Anyhow, mail trains are among the more interesting types of trains no matter
what group of trains they fall into. So, there.

Mike Brock


Re: Mike's article

Armand Premo
 


Hey Mike,How about Milk Trains? Armand Premo----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mike's article

 

Clark Propst writes:

"At last night’s ops I had a chance to thumb through the latest RMC. I was
anxious to see Mike Brock’s article. Wow, was I surprised! It was about a
passenger train!!!...A passenger train!!!! I spun the magazine around so the
others could see and said “This guy owns the Steam Freight Car Yahoo group.”
The answers were all the same “So why is he writing about a passenger
train?” "

Hmmm. Believe it or not, I am wordless...but only for a few seconds. First,
as was pointed out, I am the "owner" of the STMFC. As such, I ruled several
yrs ago that a mail train could be considered to be a frt train...since as I
noted, it can and did haul freight. More so, in fact, than passengers.
Second, I do...from time to time...write about other aspects of RR's...even
regarding steam locomotives. So, I don't just confine myself to frt cars.

Anyhow, mail trains are among the more interesting types of trains no matter
what group of trains they fall into. So, there.

Mike Brock

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Re: Mike's article

Mikebrock
 

Clark Propst writes:

"At last night’s ops I had a chance to thumb through the latest RMC. I was anxious to see Mike Brock’s article. Wow, was I surprised! It was about a passenger train!!!...A passenger train!!!! I spun the magazine around so the others could see and said “This guy owns the Steam Freight Car Yahoo group.” The answers were all the same “So why is he writing about a passenger train?” "

Hmmm. Believe it or not, I am wordless...but only for a few seconds. First, as was pointed out, I am the "owner" of the STMFC. As such, I ruled several yrs ago that a mail train could be considered to be a frt train...since as I noted, it can and did haul freight. More so, in fact, than passengers. Second, I do...from time to time...write about other aspects of RR's...even regarding steam locomotives. So, I don't just confine myself to frt cars.

Anyhow, mail trains are among the more interesting types of trains no matter what group of trains they fall into. So, there.

Mike Brock


Re: More Freight Car Content in March MRH

Tony Thompson
 

David Bott wrote:

 
I read it and enjoyed it. I just wish it had pointed out that it was focused on a peri-WWII or later fleet. For example, the signature Southern cars were the 1937 steel boxcar and an even later car. This might have the broadest appeal, given the numbers of transition modelers, but does me no good for my 1934 modeling effort . . .

 This kind of article can really only be done for a fairly narrow slice of years. The data shown in Figure 1 are for 1950, which SHOULD have supplied some clue about the approximate era being covered. Nothing whatever wrong with 1934, it's just that I happen to model 1953, and that's what I have researched, modeled, and published. I would love to read comparable articles for other time spans.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: More Freight Car Content in March MRH

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I read it and enjoyed it. I just wish it had pointed out that it was focused on a peri-WWII or later fleet. For example, the signature Southern cars were the 1937 steel boxcar and an even later car. This might have the broadest appeal, given the numbers of transition modelers, but does me no good for my 1934 modeling effort. The aging, outdated wood 36' boxcars that was replaced mostly by those '37 cars were a signature car in the 20s and 30s!  And there is a great Westerfield kit as well as an F&C version to model it.  According to "Captain' Snow's conductor books, those SU truss rod cars were the staple for merchandise (i.e., LCL) on the Winston-Salem division at least.  In addition there were vents and DD DS cars in the fleet (which only has the rare Sunshine kit to represent it).

If that's what happened on the road I know well, then that leaves me in the dark for the roads I don't.

This isn't complaining about Tony's article, it's a request to expand the concept to cover other eras! Who can write the article for the Depression era, the WWI to Depression era, the turn-of-the-century, or even the 50s?

I'll work on 1934, but I could use some help.

Dave

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On Mar 3, 2015, at 5:16 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Tony T. has a long article w/many photos about Freight Cars in the March Model Railroad Hobbyist.


Bill Welch



Re: Mike's article

Tom Madden
 

Clark, you make that sound like a bad thing.


Tom Madden, Passenger Car List Owner


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

Tim O'Connor
 


 > These are the early Harriman cars, with mildly fishbelly side sills of pressed steel,
 > classes F-50-1 to -3 ... What many SP and UP modelers have been clamoring for is the
 > straight-side-sill cars, F-50-4 and thereafter
 > Tony Thompson

Aaargh!! You are exactly right Tony. I hurrah'ed too soon without reading the fine print. Phooey on the fishbellies!!

Tim O'


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

Tim O'Connor
 

Hear hear!!!! Hurray for Harriman flat cars!!!

Tim O'Connor

The Harriman flat cars will sell very well from all the expressions of interest from UP and ESPEE modelers.

gary laakso


More Freight Car Content in March MRH

Bill Welch
 

Tony T. has a long article w/many photos about Freight Cars in the March Model Railroad Hobbyist.


Bill Welch


Re: Photo-real modeling

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

I can believe this. I remember seeing photos of an incredibly fine O scale
layout in Chicago in the 1930's and the models -- especially lettering -- was
as good as any I've seen in recent years. Now you've made me wonder if this
is exactly what they did to make those models!

John Nehrich at the RPI club has done numerous buildings on the layout using
photo-printed sides, and even close up (inches) with a high-megapixel digital
camera, you cannot tell they are printed. And because they are actual photo
prints, the realism leaves nothing to be desired.

Tim O'Connor

Probably my email friend Mike Bauers should do the real explanation, but I think I understand what he�s attempting to do.

Take photos of real steam era freight cars, photoshop them into orthogonal views, and print or laminate prints of them on cardstock. One could then assemble these prints into a box to make a box car, for instance, or glue them to a block of wood.

Now, before you guffaw, hold on a bit. I don�t have the time to search for it just now, but I recently was sent a link to a webpage full of models made from paper. The modeling was VERY impressive, and in some ways captured more of the reality of the prototypes than our resin friends can manage. Some were made with paper sides, but had ladders and door hardware applied, but some just had these parts �applied� with images.

I�ll be very interested to see what Mr Bauers comes up with. I expect he will rapidly adapt to our nomenclature (single sheathed vs �outside braced,� for example). And I know he�s an excellent modeler. Bring it on, Mike!

Schuyler


Re: Dubuque URTX refrigerator car

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

I think that 63971 was a 37' wood sheathed reefer like the Rapido (and Sunshine) models
built by General American with an inside length of 29' and change. The 63xxx series was a
mixture of steel cars and wood cars of various lengths (36' 37' 40').

Whose kit is this? Red Caboose? Athearn? Atlas? Surely not Branchline?

Tim O'Connor

I have a kit for a 40' Dubuque URTX wood refrigerator car. Its number is 63971. These two factors raise suspicions that the sides have been silk-screened or pad printed inaccurately. First, I was not aware that Dubuque Packing leased wood cars that were 40'. Second, the number seems to be too high for a series of Dubuque leases of URTX wood cars. Well, the roof was metal, so that may make them composite cars, but the two points still raise doubts. Can anyone on the list enlighten me.

Tom Baker


Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

 
The Harriman flat cars will sell very well from all the expressions of interest from UP and ESPEE modelers.

      These are the early Harriman cars, with mildly fishbelly side sills of pressed steel, classes F-50-1 to -3. Though they lasted MANY years in MOW service, they were largely out of revenue service by World War II. What many SP and UP modelers have been clamoring for is the straight-side-sill cars, F-50-4 and thereafter, which were in revenue service well through the transition era. I believe those are also under study at Westerfield.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015

gary laakso
 

The Harriman flat cars will sell very well from all the expressions of interest from UP and ESPEE modelers.
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 3:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] WESTERFIELD MODELS NEWSLETTER, VOL 4, NO 1, MARCH 2015
 
 

Hello Steam Era Modelers:

We are please to announce the release of our New Kits on March 1, 2015: Rock Island B-2 Conversion Stock Cars, Double Deck And Original Side Versions.
The Rock Island began converting B-2 Box Cars into Stock Cars in 1944 at its company shops. The B-2 Box cars were built in 1913-15 by various manufacturers (See our Kit Series #6400). The 1944 conversion covered 200 cars, #77000-77199. This original batch of conversions had a different side slat layout that the later conversions and are replicated by our New #12111/12112/12113 Kits. The later conversions, done 1948 to 1950, are covered by our Kit Series 12101/12102/12103. Also in 1944, the railroad converted 86 B-2 cars into Double Deck Stock cars. These are replicated by our New #12121/12122/12123 Kits. All conversions retained the original ends and underframes. The side sheathing was replaced with wood boards that lined up with the holes in the metal side framing. Some cars received Murphy XLA roofs, some had Hutchins Roofs and some, as they aged, had the metal roof removed, leaving the wood under roof exposed. All conversions also received AB Brakes and had Barber Lateral Motion cast side frame trucks. These Kits also feature our new One-Piece Roof Frame (Part #6440), which is available separately for $4.00 each. Please note that this One-Piece roof frame only fits the #12100 & 6400 series Kits. More One-Piece roof frames are being worked on; They will be available for #7300 & #5200/5300/5400 Series Kits next (See Below for more on One-Piece Roof Frames).

As usual, our Kits are HO scale unpainted urethane castings with quality details, detailed instructions/history sheets, and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car
These are available direct from Westerfield Models for the below listed price plus shipping. Trucks and couplers are not included.
Operating Era for all #12100 Series Kits: 1944-1971

AVAILABLE MARCH 1, 2015:
KIT #12111:
B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Original Side & Door, Hutchins Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #77000-77199 $40.00 each
KIT #12112: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Original Side & Door, Murphy XLA Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #7700-77199 $40.00 each
KIT #12113: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Original Side & Door, Single Board Wood Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #77000-77199 $40.00 each
KIT #12121: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Double Deck, Hutchins Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #79701-79800 $41.00 each
KIT #12122: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Double Deck, Murphy XLA Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #79701-79800 $41.00 each
KIT #12123: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Double Deck, Single Board Wood Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #79701-79800 $41.00 each
PART #6440: One Piece Roof Frame for Kit Series #6400 & 12100.
Also Available:
KIT #12101: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Later Side & Door, Hutchins Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #77200-77599 $40.00 each
KIT #12102: B-2 Stock Car Conversion, Later Side & Door, Murphy XLA Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #77200-77599 $40.00 each
KIT #12103: B-2 Stock Car COnversion, Later Side & Door, Single Board Wood Roof, AB Brakes, Car Series #77200-77599 $40.00 each

These are available direct from Westerfield Models. Kit includes HO scale unpainted urethane castings with quality details, detailed instruction/history sheets and proprietary decals covering all versions of the prototype car. Trucks and couplers are not included.
Also newly available are more of our new One-Piece Roof Frames for the following Kit Series:
1300/2700/3500/5500 Series Kits, now include a one-piece roof frame.
Also available separately: Item #1340: One-Piece Roof Frame $4.00 ea
1700/1800 Series Kits, now include a one-piece roof frame.
Also available separately: Item #1740: One-Piece Roof Frame $4.00 ea

All of our Kits are available at our secure website: westerfieldmodels.com
or you can use our mail in order form found on our website main page or the "links" page.

All items listed above are HO Scale Craftsman Resin Kits with Custom Decals. Trucks and couplers are not included.
We are have several new Kits in development. Watch for more announcements about these soon:
B-50-5 Box Car for SP roads. This will have a One-Piece Body.
F-50-1/2/3 Pressed Steel U/F Flat Car for Harriman roads (SP/UP).
S-40-1/2/3 Pressed Steel U/F Stock Cars for Harriman roads (SP/UP). These will be flat Kits with our One-Piece Roof Frame.
 
We will be attending the Western Prototype Modelers RPM show on Saturday, March 28, 2014. We look forward to seeing you there!
 
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@...


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Society

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks Charlie, I just ordered 3 double sets from ebay.  Walt
 
In a message dated 3/3/2015 12:36:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

Walt

I just remembered Champ made a Blue Ribbon set for the ART yellow reefers that was well done you might check around to see if any are available.  

Good luck..

Charlie Duckworth  


Mike's article

Clark Propst
 

At last night’s ops I had a chance to thumb through the latest RMC. I was anxious to see Mike Brock’s article. Wow, was I surprised! It was about a passenger train!!!...A passenger train!!!! I spun the magazine around so the others could see and said “This guy owns the Steam Freight Car Yahoo group.” The answers were all the same “So why is he writing about a passenger train?”
 
I’m sure it’s a great article Mike  ;  )) 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: LV steam era hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

Chuck Davis, who also presented 2 clinics on these cars.  He is active on this list.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Mar 3, 2015, at 2:10 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

1) Anyone know who displayed all those LV hoppers at prototype rails 2015? 

2) Know how to get in touch with him?

3) LV had a large number of 2 bay, ribbed steel hoppers slightly smaller than USRA hoppers, probably similar to and contemporary to them. At one time the cars were numbered 17,000-24,999. Are there builders photos of these cars in the Westerfield ACF DVD?


Ed Mines


LV steam era hoppers

ed_mines
 

1) Anyone know who displayed all those LV hoppers at prototype rails 2015?

2) Know how to get in touch with him?

3) LV had a large number of 2 bay, ribbed steel hoppers slightly smaller than USRA hoppers, probably similar to and contemporary to them. At one time the cars were numbered 17,000-24,999. Are there builders photos of these cars in the Westerfield ACF DVD?


Ed Mines


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Society

Bill Adam
 

I have a stash of the Champ BRH-44 & HR-4 sets for the ART reefers if anyone is looking for these.
Regards,
Bill Adam

64681 - 64700 of 196975