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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

ottokroutil
 

Beautiful, and the backdrop is stunning! Since I don't see any references to when the photo was taken, would you or anyone make an educated guess based on cars and paint schemes represented? As in no earlier then .....
Thanks for the links!
Otto K.


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical S...

WaltGCox@...
 

Hi Jerry,
The Champ blue ribbon set has two WAB, two MP and two ART. As I wipe the egg off my face, I now realize that the "double"  in the description of the set referred to the lettering scheme, not that it was a double set which would letter two cars. The Blue Ribbon set is BRH-44. I'm still unpacking from the move from Massachsetts to Tennessee and things are still somewhat disorganized, including me I guess.
 
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Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

Charlie Duckworth
 

I 'though't the Champ Blue Ribbon set had the three logos (Wabash flag, Mop buzz saw and ART shield) but it's been 20+ years since I used it.  You are right if you are modeling 1959 you should finish the cars with the three logos.

btw - Tru-Color makes an ART yellow.  

Charlie Duckworth 


And lest we forget ...

Jim Betz
 


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Quicksand Alert!

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

� Fair warning - if you visit the Utah Rails web site ("SP-UP Ogden yard ...")
you are likely to loose, forever, at least an hour of your day/life ... it's a
pleasant/acceptable loss but is, nonetheless, essentially guaranteed.� I
recommend only visiting this site if you truly have the hour(s) to spend.

� There's a lot more there to sink into than just PFE reefers!
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Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

asychis@...
 

Walt, you are right that the ART cars would most likely have been changed to the paint scheme with ART, WAB and MP heralds on both sides rather quickly; and most by 1959.  The scheme with one railroad herald and the ART herald was very short-lived. You mention that the Champ blue ribbon set had two of each herald.  Which heralds?  If it was two WAB, two MP and two ART, that is correct.  What is the Champ set's number?
 
I missed the photo.  Was it Ogden or Grand Junction?  .
 
Jerry Michels


Re: SHPX 55

al_brown03
 

I've built both the SC&F and Tangent kits -- both great fun to build, in completely different ways -- and I enjoy the subtle differences between the finished cars. I had the honor and pleasure of showing both cars to Jon Cagle (of SC&F) at this year's Cocoa Beach meet.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

tyesac@...
 

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).    Also brand new paint jobs &/or brightly colored cars are about in equaly small proportion (not a scientific survey of course).
 
Tom Casey
There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: stmfc
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: [STMFC] SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 

There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: an old Rock Island flat car

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :

I uploaded a photo I took of what I think is RI 92103, listed
as one of 3 43 foot flat cars in this series in 1955. I zoomed
in and also loaded a scan that shows the truck in more detail,
which I think is a USRA style Andrews truck.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585362959/in/album-72157650860825108/

Tim O'Connor
============

Definitely NOT the USRA truck, which were modern, for the time, U section trucks. The truck in the photo has the older T or L section sideframes, which were banned from interchange early.

I think the older Kadee Andrews truck is close to this truck; don't know if the same truck is part of their upgraded truck line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Todd Horton
 

Can anyone ID the covered hopper between the UP and Wabash boxcars?   Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:57 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 

 


There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Todd Horton
 

Is there a date on the photo?  I’m guessing at least 1958 or later.  Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:57 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 

 


There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: an old Rock Island flat car

Todd Horton
 

That car was in very good condition for its age.  Todd Horton

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:17 AM
To: stmfc@...; RI_models@...
Subject: [STMFC] an old Rock Island flat car

 

 


I uploaded a photo I took of what I think is RI 92103, listed
as one of 3 43 foot flat cars in this series in 1955. I zoomed
in and also loaded a scan that shows the truck in more detail,
which I think is a USRA style Andrews truck. The scans are made
from a photo print so the quality is only so-so.

I took the pictures in July 1992 in Grafton Massachusetts, where
the Grafton & Upton short line connected to Conrail's ex-Boston
& Albany mainline between Boston and Worcester MA.

RI 92103 --
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585363399/in/set-72157650860825108

The truck on the B-end --
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585362959/in/album-72157650860825108/

Tim O'Connor


PFE Icing Platform drawings

Dave Nelson
 

I need to made a cad model of the PFE Icing Platform in Sacramento (1100 feet long) and would like to work from some dimensional drawings if possible.  I know each platform was a custom job so I’ve no expectation of any “master plans” out there that are good for all but I would like the model to have the right general look.  I’ve checked  my own “library” and found a useful cross section diagram in Tony’s PFE book but I’ve not yet found a dimensioned drawing for the longitudinal dimension.

 

Anyone know where I might find a good drawing for the long run of the platform?

 

Dave Nelson

 


an old Rock Island flat car

Tim O'Connor
 

I uploaded a photo I took of what I think is RI 92103, listed
as one of 3 43 foot flat cars in this series in 1955. I zoomed
in and also loaded a scan that shows the truck in more detail,
which I think is a USRA style Andrews truck. The scans are made
from a photo print so the quality is only so-so.

I took the pictures in July 1992 in Grafton Massachusetts, where
the Grafton & Upton short line connected to Conrail's ex-Boston
& Albany mainline between Boston and Worcester MA.

RI 92103 --
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585363399/in/set-72157650860825108

The truck on the B-end --
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585362959/in/album-72157650860825108/

Tim O'Connor


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Society

WaltGCox@...
 

Hi Charlie,
Thanks to your tip I managed to order 3 of the premium set on e-bay. They arrived with two of each herald, i.e. 1 of each per car. Am I correct in my recollection that ART started using 2 of each herald in 1953? If so I'll likely need some extra heralds to model 1959. I dont, imagine a very large percentage of the fleet would still be in the older scheme in 1959. The ART cars in Gene Green's reefer book, and in the recent pic of Ogden yard on the list, really stand out as they are so clean lookin. ART must have repainted their cars often.
Thanks in advance for whatever info you may have on this topic. Walt
 

In a message dated 3/3/2015 12:36:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Walt

I just remembered Champ made a Blue Ribbon set for the ART yellow reefers that was well done you might check around to see if any are available.  

Good luck..

Charlie Duckworth  


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

midrly
 

Have you any idea how many GLa and H21 hoppers, along with X29 boxcars, got into Canada?   

Even die-hard Canadian STMFC modellers are PRR STMFC modellers. 

Steve Lucas. 


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Mikebrock
 

Tony Thompson writes in reply to Tim O'Connor:

"Tim is right about the PRR cars, but I confess my eye went first to the lovely string of PFE cars in the background, with a truly wonderful range of weathering. How many readers of this list can boast a similarly-varied string of reefers in their collection?"

It looks like at least some of the PFE Reefers exhibit rather dirty sides but with less dirty SP and UP heralds. Also, note the second car to the left of the bright red GN car. It appears to be a UP 50 ft auto car in yellow lettering. It is obviously very dirty, much more so that the UP box car, the third car to its left.

Man, how would you model Ogden without using that Wasatch Mtn backdrop?

Mike Brock


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one "random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times, we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg


    Tim is right about the PRR cars, but I confess my eye went first to the lovely string of PFE cars in the background, with a truly wonderful range of weathering. How many readers of this list can boast a similarly-varied string of reefers in their collection? (I'm working on mine, but not there yet.)

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history





SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tim O'Connor
 

There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor


RPM-East final call!

Eric Hansmann
 

 

I apologize if you have received this through a YahooGroup list posting, but we are maximizing our publicity efforts. The RPM-East prototype modeler event less than three weeks away, on March 27 & 28 in Greensburg, Pennsylvania.

 

The website has been updated with more details on presentations, open layouts, and vendors. A tentative presentation schedule was just added today. This is a tentative line up and subject to change. You can access these details here on our webpage:

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