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Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

Thomas
 

Hello Group:
I purchased a Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit and was wondering where I could find information if they were ever converted to AB brakes and would have been in revenue service around 1955. Any information to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
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Re: PFE Icing Platform drawings

jeralbin@...
 

A good number of PFE Icing Platform photos here. Regards...Jerry Albin


PFE Salt Lake City - Don Strack

 


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Jim Betz
 

Todd,

The first use of Vermillion Red on GN freight cars was in 1956 ...
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2a. Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo
Posted by: "Todd Horton" toddchorton@... toddchorton@...
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:17 am ((PDT))
Is there a date on the photo? I'm guessing at least 1958 or later.


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical S...

asychis@...
 

No problem Walt, and thanks for the photo reference.  One question, where are the ART cars?  Or am I now missing something? Jerry Michels


Second and last batch of Hendrickson styrene kits

Tony Thompson
 

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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

tyesac@...
 

Dennis,
 
I had the same thought.  I did notice both UP & SP cars in the same string of box cars. So, without knowing the specific yard layout, I'd agree with your assement. I also noticed that tank cars & hoppers are fewer in number.   But, whether these cars are "coming" or "going" doesn't matter as much as they're in Utah on the UP.   What I'm thinking is, if you took a corresponding picture of a model railroaders' yard or at a club, I'd bet that you'd see much of the home road cars than a closer correlation to colorful/newly painted cars.   Clearly not a statisticly proveable point, but as a modeling guide, matching the appearance of those strings of cars is a worthy goal.    Not a shiny rib of plastic grab iron to be seen anywere.
 
I also noticed that the proportion of reefers that are clean and or have thier reweigh/inspection data cleaned off is noticeably different than what is seen in the string of box cars and stock cars.
 
Tom Casey
   
I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
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When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek
 
 
 
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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

Actually this shot encompasses both UP and SP yards in Ogden. Most of the interchange
here was Overland Route traffic to and from California, and there were literally thousands of
cars interchanged daily. I've seen other photos showing FOUR UP switchers simultaneously
working the throat of the UP side of the yard. Since this is not a large "classification" yard there
was minimal car sorting and average dwell time probably was measured in hours, not days.

In other words I don't think that much can be inferred from a single photo or even several photos.
Mike Brock has mentioned consists of freight trains that were mostly one road or another, and
multi-car blocks from a single railroad were a common sight.

Tim O'Connor


I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie ART reefers in the 1950's always seem "light orange" to me. Would
you concur with that? Is the TruColor ART yellow just a plain yellow or more
of an orange tint? I've never painted an ART reefer yet because the colors
seem to be all over the map! :-(

Thanks!

Tim O'Connor

btw - Tru-Color makes an ART yellow.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: an old Rock Island flat car

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Dennis -- It does have an L section frame. So it's an early Andrews. The
T and L section trucks were banned from unrestricted interchange on Jan 1, 1957.

Tim O'Connor



 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585362959/in/album-72157650860825108/
 > Definitely NOT the USRA truck, which were modern, for the time, U section trucks. The truck in the photo has the older T or L section sideframes, which were banned from interchange early.
 > I think the older Kadee Andrews truck is close to this truck; don't know if the same truck is part of their upgraded truck line.
 > Dennis Storzek


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tim O'Connor
 

Todd Horton asked

>> Can anyone ID the covered hopper between the UP and Wabash boxcars?
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg


Todd,

It's clearly an airslide hopper but I don't recognize the lettering. It appears
to be a stylized map of a state (Wisconsin or Minnesota) in bright red.

Tim O'Connor


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tyesac@...> wrote :

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PFE Icing Platform drawings

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Nelson wrote:

 
I need to made a cad model of the PFE Icing Platform in Sacramento (1100 feet long) and would like to work from some dimensional drawings if possible.  I know each platform was a custom job so I’ve no expectation of any “master plans” out there that are good for all but I would like the model to have the right general look.  I’ve checked  my own “library” and found a useful cross section diagram in Tony’s PFE book but I’ve not yet found a dimensioned drawing for the longitudinal dimension.

 Anyone know where I might find a good drawing for the long run of the platform?


     As you say, Dave, there was no "standard" drawing. But the repeat distance along the platform was the coupled length of PFE cars, 42 feet. Photos show a variety of diagonal bracing arrangements in the longitudinal direction, so you can choose.
      Don't make the mistake Walthers made, in their ice deck model, with a 40-foot longitudinal repeat distance. Guess how well that works out with 42-foot car spacings.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

ottokroutil
 

Beautiful, and the backdrop is stunning! Since I don't see any references to when the photo was taken, would you or anyone make an educated guess based on cars and paint schemes represented? As in no earlier then .....
Thanks for the links!
Otto K.


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical S...

Walter Cox
 

Hi Jerry,
The Champ blue ribbon set has two WAB, two MP and two ART. As I wipe the egg off my face, I now realize that the "double"  in the description of the set referred to the lettering scheme, not that it was a double set which would letter two cars. The Blue Ribbon set is BRH-44. I'm still unpacking from the move from Massachsetts to Tennessee and things are still somewhat disorganized, including me I guess.
 
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Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

Charlie Duckworth
 

I 'though't the Champ Blue Ribbon set had the three logos (Wabash flag, Mop buzz saw and ART shield) but it's been 20+ years since I used it.  You are right if you are modeling 1959 you should finish the cars with the three logos.

btw - Tru-Color makes an ART yellow.  

Charlie Duckworth 


And lest we forget ...

Jim Betz
 


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Quicksand Alert!

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

� Fair warning - if you visit the Utah Rails web site ("SP-UP Ogden yard ...")
you are likely to loose, forever, at least an hour of your day/life ... it's a
pleasant/acceptable loss but is, nonetheless, essentially guaranteed.� I
recommend only visiting this site if you truly have the hour(s) to spend.

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Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

asychis@...
 

Walt, you are right that the ART cars would most likely have been changed to the paint scheme with ART, WAB and MP heralds on both sides rather quickly; and most by 1959.  The scheme with one railroad herald and the ART herald was very short-lived. You mention that the Champ blue ribbon set had two of each herald.  Which heralds?  If it was two WAB, two MP and two ART, that is correct.  What is the Champ set's number?
 
I missed the photo.  Was it Ogden or Grand Junction?  .
 
Jerry Michels


Re: SHPX 55

al_brown03
 

I've built both the SC&F and Tangent kits -- both great fun to build, in completely different ways -- and I enjoy the subtle differences between the finished cars. I had the honor and pleasure of showing both cars to Jon Cagle (of SC&F) at this year's Cocoa Beach meet.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

tyesac@...
 

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).    Also brand new paint jobs &/or brightly colored cars are about in equaly small proportion (not a scientific survey of course).
 
Tom Casey
There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: stmfc
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: [STMFC] SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 

There's a bunch of beautiful photos in this collection, but I especially
like this one -- notable because at least EIGHT of the box cars in this one
"random" shot belong to the Pennsylvania railroad. As Tony has said many times,
we are all PRR modelers. :-)

http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg

Tim O'Connor