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Re: Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

Thomas
 

Thanks for the quick responses. After looking at the history sheet that came with the kit I noticed they stated that no auto cars were given AB brakes. They were probably scrapped than converted. I should of read the sheet more carefully. It seems the B-50-20 kit with AB brakes would be more appropriate for my time frame.  Rich the RPI group you mentioned is that a Yahoo Group? 

Thanks
Tom Kucala


Re: Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

Benjamin Hom
 

Rich Christie wrote:
"I am sure with the UP, these cars all had AB brakes in 1949."

Sure because you have proof that these cars had AB brakes or sure because you're assuming that UP converted them? Be careful what you assume.

Ben Hom


Re: Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Great photos of this car in one of the Focus On Freight Cars books.


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC]"
Date:03/10/2015 13:16 (GMT-10:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

 

According to the RPI group the shrink table of the A-50-6 from 1949 - 1956

1949     84 cars left
1953     12
1956       2
1961       0

K brakes were outlawed in the 1954 for interchange service. I am sure with the UP, these cars all had AB brakes in 1949.

Rich Christie


On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:58 PM, "kuctan@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Hello Group:
I purchased a Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit and was wondering where I could find information if they were ever converted to AB brakes and would have been in revenue service around 1955. Any information to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...




Re: Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

Rich C
 

According to the RPI group the shrink table of the A-50-6 from 1949 - 1956

1949     84 cars left
1953     12
1956       2
1961       0

K brakes were outlawed in the 1954 for interchange service. I am sure with the UP, these cars all had AB brakes in 1949.

Rich Christie


On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:58 PM, "kuctan@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hello Group:
I purchased a Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit and was wondering where I could find information if they were ever converted to AB brakes and would have been in revenue service around 1955. Any information to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...




Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tony Thompson
 

Otto K (not signing his full name) wrote:

 

Beautiful, and the backdrop is stunning! Since I don't see any references to when the photo was taken, would you or anyone make an educated guess based on cars and paint schemes represented? As in no earlier then .....
Thanks for the links!


      One guess was 1958. It is certainly later than 1956 and I think certainly not as late as 1960, so I would view the 1958 guess as a good one.

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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Richard Townsend
 

 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 
That is an early series of Brach's Candy Airslides operating under lease
from GACX. If that train is comprised of eastbound cars, then the
Airslide was likely loaded at the Utah and Idaho Sugar plants near
there. Brach's airslides also ran on the NP from Billings to Chicago.

Lots of neat things in that yard though.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT
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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

mikefrommontanan
 

That is an early series of Brach's Candy Airslides operating under lease from GACX. If that train is comprised of eastbound cars, then the Airslide was likely loaded at the Utah and Idaho Sugar plants near there. Brach's airslides also ran on the NP from Billings to Chicago.

Lots of neat things in that yard though.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT
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Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit

Thomas
 

Hello Group:
I purchased a Westerfield 5851 A-50-6 boxcar kit and was wondering where I could find information if they were ever converted to AB brakes and would have been in revenue service around 1955. Any information to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Thanks
Thomas Kucala
kuctan@...



Re: PFE Icing Platform drawings

jeralbin@...
 

A good number of PFE Icing Platform photos here. Regards...Jerry Albin


PFE Salt Lake City - Don Strack

 


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Jim Betz
 

Todd,

The first use of Vermillion Red on GN freight cars was in 1956 ...
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2a. Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo
Posted by: "Todd Horton" toddchorton@rocketmail.com toddchorton@rocketmail.com
Date: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:17 am ((PDT))
Is there a date on the photo? I'm guessing at least 1958 or later.


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical S...

asychis@...
 

No problem Walt, and thanks for the photo reference.  One question, where are the ART cars?  Or am I now missing something? Jerry Michels


Second and last batch of Hendrickson styrene kits

Tony Thompson
 

This is to remind you that the deadline for bids on this batch of Hendrickson kits is tomorrow at noon, Pacific Time. If you don't have or can't find the listing, write to me OFF LIST and I will send it.

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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

tyesac@...
 

Dennis,
 
I had the same thought.  I did notice both UP & SP cars in the same string of box cars. So, without knowing the specific yard layout, I'd agree with your assement. I also noticed that tank cars & hoppers are fewer in number.   But, whether these cars are "coming" or "going" doesn't matter as much as they're in Utah on the UP.   What I'm thinking is, if you took a corresponding picture of a model railroaders' yard or at a club, I'd bet that you'd see much of the home road cars than a closer correlation to colorful/newly painted cars.   Clearly not a statisticly proveable point, but as a modeling guide, matching the appearance of those strings of cars is a worthy goal.    Not a shiny rib of plastic grab iron to be seen anywere.
 
I also noticed that the proportion of reefers that are clean and or have thier reweigh/inspection data cleaned off is noticeably different than what is seen in the string of box cars and stock cars.
 
Tom Casey
   
I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
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When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] SP-UP Ogden yard photo

 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis

Actually this shot encompasses both UP and SP yards in Ogden. Most of the interchange
here was Overland Route traffic to and from California, and there were literally thousands of
cars interchanged daily. I've seen other photos showing FOUR UP switchers simultaneously
working the throat of the UP side of the yard. Since this is not a large "classification" yard there
was minimal car sorting and average dwell time probably was measured in hours, not days.

In other words I don't think that much can be inferred from a single photo or even several photos.
Mike Brock has mentioned consists of freight trains that were mostly one road or another, and
multi-car blocks from a single railroad were a common sight.

Tim O'Connor


I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: 1960 ART car available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Soci

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie ART reefers in the 1950's always seem "light orange" to me. Would
you concur with that? Is the TruColor ART yellow just a plain yellow or more
of an orange tint? I've never painted an ART reefer yet because the colors
seem to be all over the map! :-(

Thanks!

Tim O'Connor

btw - Tru-Color makes an ART yellow.

Charlie Duckworth


Re: an old Rock Island flat car

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Dennis -- It does have an L section frame. So it's an early Andrews. The
T and L section trucks were banned from unrestricted interchange on Jan 1, 1957.

Tim O'Connor



 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/45425384@N04/16585362959/in/album-72157650860825108/
 > Definitely NOT the USRA truck, which were modern, for the time, U section trucks. The truck in the photo has the older T or L section sideframes, which were banned from interchange early.
 > I think the older Kadee Andrews truck is close to this truck; don't know if the same truck is part of their upgraded truck line.
 > Dennis Storzek


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Tim O'Connor
 

Todd Horton asked

>> Can anyone ID the covered hopper between the UP and Wabash boxcars?
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-zngNrV8/0/X3/sp-ogden-yard-2_kingsford-X3.jpg


Todd,

It's clearly an airslide hopper but I don't recognize the lettering. It appears
to be a stylized map of a state (Wisconsin or Minnesota) in bright red.

Tim O'Connor


Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tyesac@...> wrote :

I noticed that the "eastern"  (PRR, C&O, B&O L&N) cars and midwestern (MKT, CB&Q) cars out number the home road box cars (exclusive of the long string of PFE cars), and that composite side box cars are pretty scarce (I count one CB&Q car).
=====================

When looking at yard pictures, one has to remember that railroads tended to do the same thing in the same part of the yard day after day, and the cars in the yard are not a random mix. I suspect we are looking at the tracks where eastward trains were built, so are seeing a preeminence of eastern road cars headed toward home, either under load of empty.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PFE Icing Platform drawings

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Nelson wrote:

 
I need to made a cad model of the PFE Icing Platform in Sacramento (1100 feet long) and would like to work from some dimensional drawings if possible.  I know each platform was a custom job so I’ve no expectation of any “master plans” out there that are good for all but I would like the model to have the right general look.  I’ve checked  my own “library” and found a useful cross section diagram in Tony’s PFE book but I’ve not yet found a dimensioned drawing for the longitudinal dimension.

 Anyone know where I might find a good drawing for the long run of the platform?


     As you say, Dave, there was no "standard" drawing. But the repeat distance along the platform was the coupled length of PFE cars, 42 feet. Photos show a variety of diagonal bracing arrangements in the longitudinal direction, so you can choose.
      Don't make the mistake Walthers made, in their ice deck model, with a 40-foot longitudinal repeat distance. Guess how well that works out with 42-foot car spacings.

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Re: SP-UP Ogden yard photo

ottokroutil
 

Beautiful, and the backdrop is stunning! Since I don't see any references to when the photo was taken, would you or anyone make an educated guess based on cars and paint schemes represented? As in no earlier then .....
Thanks for the links!
Otto K.

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