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Re: New member with a resin kit question

Tim O'Connor
 

Here's a B-50-14 freshly reweighed in 1957.. but yeah you and I model the
same time period. I plan to convert some of my older models into MofW cars
so I'm always on the prowl for photos of those conversions.

Tim



At 3/15/2015 08:53 PM Sunday, you wrote:


The problem with the B50-13 and 14's is that they didn't last into the late '50's and early 60's, the time period that I am modeling.


From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question


You may want to look for B50-13
& B50-14. You wanted a particular Kit number you might be best looking for any B50-15 otherwise you may be waiting a long time.

Paul Doggett. UK.



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"WaltGCox@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

You can even list the part with ebay so that they will notify you when the part comes up. That way you won't have to remember to look it up every week.
Good Luck.

In a message dated 3/15/2015 10:21:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

Thanks to all members for suggesting ebay to find these Sunshine Models kits. I can see that patience will be the virtue needed to build up a fleet of these cars:-)














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Re: New member with a resin kit question

Tony Thompson
 

david ellzey wrote:

Your SP Freight Cars series are an education!
 
      I'm glad you see the series that way, as it was very much my intention! And fun to research and write, too.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: New member with a resin kit question

david ellzey
 

Your SP Freight Cars series are an education!

From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question

 
david ellzey wrote:

The problem with the B50-13 and 14's is that they didn't last into the late '50's and early 60's, the time period that I am modeling.

       You are right. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: frieght cars film

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Al and List Members,
 
 
The complete video is available on youtube - see link below.
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:13 PM
Subject: [STMFC] frieght cars film

In the 1920 film Get Out and Get Under Harold Iloyd somehow drives his car onto a flat car of an LA&SL train.  It’s pulled by #8 Atlantic and consists of Harriman standard LA&SL truss rod and steel flats, a LA&SL B-50-6/9 box, MDT and NYC truss rod reefers, a LA&SL 40’ SS auto car with Vulcan end doors and LA&SL caboose.  Also a partial view of a MCRR USRA SS box.  The views are good enough for use in modeling. – Al Westerfield 


Re: New member with a resin kit question

Tony Thompson
 

david ellzey wrote:

The problem with the B50-13 and 14's is that they didn't last into the late '50's and early 60's, the time period that I am modeling.

       You are right. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: New member with a resin kit question

david ellzey
 

The problem with the B50-13 and 14's is that they didn't last into the late '50's and early 60's, the time period that I am modeling.
 

From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question

 
You may want to look for B50-13
& B50-14. You wanted a particular Kit number you might be best looking for any B50-15 otherwise you may be waiting a long time. 

Paul Doggett.  UK.



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"WaltGCox@... [STMFC]" wrote:
 
You can even list the part with ebay so that they will notify you when the part comes up. That way you won't have to remember to look it up every week.
Good Luck.
 
In a message dated 3/15/2015 10:21:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

 
Thanks to all members for suggesting ebay to find these Sunshine Models kits. I can see that patience will be the virtue needed to build up a fleet of these cars:-)
 



 

 





ACL Diagrams & Roster

John Sykes III
 

It's probably been asked here before, but I am switching gears a bit (just to freak-out my southern compatriots down here in Florida) by putting together some ACL and SAL equipment for the club rather than my normal PRR gear.


Most of what I have is, at best, stand-ins (such as the Bowser X31a's lettered for SAL) but some is pretty accurate (e.g. a Proto2k GP9 and Atlas 1932 ARA boxcar).  To this end, I have put together a SAL roster from 1954 - 1959 using ORERs and cross-referencing them to photos and other prototype information sources.  I will post the roster here once I get the copy of "SAL Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" to cross reference to.


Now the problem is, I would like to do the same with ACL but am having no luck finding prototypical photos, diagrams, class rosters, etc.  I do have the 1954 and 1958 ORERs but would like more back up.


So . . . does anyone here have information on online diagrams or roster info for the ACL?  Again, I have the two ORERs but have absolutely nothing else to bounce this information off of.


Right now, my only ACL models are the 1956 Revell NW2 (mislabeled as an SW7) and the matching pulpwood car, neither one of which has a correct roadnumber.


-- John


Re: cast ends

mwbauers
 

Recently I got a couple of their catalogs picturing most of their car-sides. The majority of them were bog-standard boring cars.

But the few odd-balls they did make are  certain to be memorable.

I made certain to recently get one of the hemispherical Acid Tank car kits from their line with the idea of cloning it into a unit train of sorts. I don’t know how accurate the car actually is, but its a fun and unique thing to have around. [I was able to get a couple of the purple and scarlet ‘It Stinks and Howe’ wrappers a couple of years ago for these Acid Tank cars…… it took a while to get a complete kit for the ‘correct’ car…] I hope to find one of the cars in one of the real world Car Builder Dictionaries of the period.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Mar 15, 2015, at 11:07 AM, jon miller wrote:


On 3/14/2015 11:40 PM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] wrote:
I just took a closer look. Those lines of rivets are seamless.

    Remember these are "Red Ball" ends cast from an old linitype (sp) machine probably more than 50-60 (maybe 70) years ago.  Red Ball was as accurate as could be made at that time, but usually was odd ball stuff.  I guess they thought that sold better.
.
 


Re: IC Reefer paint

Tim O'Connor
 


From photos --

1950's -- dark green roof and ends and sill stripe. Black underbody and
sill tabs and trucks.

1960's (your photo) -- adopted MDT/NRC style of painting -- orange sides,
mineral red ends and roof, black underbody and trucks.

Tim O'Connor




Hello All,  In looking at a photo of refrigerator car, IC 50302, on Railroad Picture Archives, http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=671230

I am wondering what was the paint color of the ends and roofs.  In this photo it appears it could have been black or orange?   Which color was it?   Thank you for your time and effort to help.   Lester Breuer


IC Reefer paint

frograbbit602
 

Hello All,  In looking at a photo of refrigerator car, IC 50302, on Railroad Picture Archives, http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=671230

I am wondering what was the paint color of the ends and roofs.  In this photo it appears it could have been black or orange?   Which color was it?   Thank you for your time and effort to help.   Lester Breuer




Re: New member with a resin kit question

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

You may want to look for B50-13
& B50-14. You wanted a particular Kit number you might be best looking for any B50-15 otherwise you may be waiting a long time. 

Paul Doggett.  UK.



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"WaltGCox@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

You can even list the part with ebay so that they will notify you when the part comes up. That way you won't have to remember to look it up every week.
Good Luck.
 
In a message dated 3/15/2015 10:21:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

Thanks to all members for suggesting ebay to find these Sunshine Models kits. I can see that patience will be the virtue needed to build up a fleet of these cars:-)
 

 

 



Re: New member with a resin kit question

WaltGCox@...
 

You can even list the part with ebay so that they will notify you when the part comes up. That way you won't have to remember to look it up every week.
Good Luck.
 
In a message dated 3/15/2015 10:21:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

Thanks to all members for suggesting ebay to find these Sunshine Models kits. I can see that patience will be the virtue needed to build up a fleet of these cars:-)
 

 

 



Re: cast ends

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/14/2015 11:40 PM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] wrote:
I just took a closer look. Those lines of rivets are seamless.

    Remember these are "Red Ball" ends cast from an old linitype (sp) machine probably more than 50-60 (maybe 70) years ago.  Red Ball was as accurate as could be made at that time, but usually was odd ball stuff.  I guess they thought that sold better.

-- 

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Air powered variable speed hand drill/engraver offered

dmacleod@...
 

The Preumatic dental drill I have I got from my dentist was one that needed rebuilding and it was free.  The rebuilding kits are about $75 to $100.  With a carbide cutter it is great for cutting parts off of lost wax brass cast trees.  Personally, a belt driven dental drill is far more useful tool.  Every serious modeler should have one.
Doug MacLeod,  Roseville, CA


Re: New member with a resin kit question

david ellzey
 

Thanks to all members for suggesting ebay to find these Sunshine Models kits. I can see that patience will be the virtue needed to build up a fleet of these cars:-)
 

From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 5:32 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question

 
As Stephen says ebay you just have to keep looking they do turn up but they are getting up to the $90-100 mark if you are lucky you may find one for about $70.00.

Paul Doggett. UK.



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ebay.
 
__________________________________________________
J. Stephen Sandifer
Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ
Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question
 
 
I was referred to this group concerning the availability of resin kits from Sunshine Models. I understand that Mr. Martin Lofton has died and the kits are no longer produced but some may still be available by mailing in a request. Can anyone advise me in this matter? Are the kits available through another source?
The specific kit that I am seeking is the SP B-50-15 rebuilds (kit #38.35)
Sunshine Models seems to be the only source of these box cars except the brass imports, and $400 freight cars are way out of my budget!
Thanks in advance for any advice.
                                        
                                                                                      David Ellzey



Re: IC 162061

John Barry
 

Thanks Ray,

Unfortunately for me, it was gone by my modelling era. Still an intriguing car, but it is now way down on the project list.


John


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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 5:34 AM PDT Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] wrote:

IC 162001-162300, built ACF 1913. Renumbered to 362001-362300 between 1925 and 1927.293 cars in 1926, 270 cars in 1935, gone by 1939.
 Ray Breyer
Elg

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736




Re: IC 162061

David
 

Or you could use the ends from a Westerfield kit.

David Thompson


Re: IC 162061

Ray Breyer
 

IC 162001-162300, built ACF 1913. Renumbered to 362001-362300 between 1925 and 1927.
293 cars in 1926, 270 cars in 1935, gone by 1939.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] IC 162061



IC 162061 shows up in a photo of San Francisco at the WF Boardman Company in an SP valuation photo.  It looks like a double sheathed 50' car with a bullseye end.  

Can anyone tell me more about this car and how long it may have lasted in service?  I do not find it in my 43 or 45 ORERs. It would be an interesting addition to my 1945 fleet if it were rebuilt or renumbered and still retained that unique end.
 
John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736





Re: New member with a resin kit question

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

As Stephen says ebay you just have to keep looking they do turn up but they are getting up to the $90-100 mark if you are lucky you may find one for about $70.00.

Paul Doggett. UK.



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"'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

ebay.

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New member with a resin kit question

 

 

I was referred to this group concerning the availability of resin kits from Sunshine Models. I understand that Mr. Martin Lofton has died and the kits are no longer produced but some may still be available by mailing in a request. Can anyone advise me in this matter? Are the kits available through another source?

The specific kit that I am seeking is the SP B-50-15 rebuilds (kit #38.35)

Sunshine Models seems to be the only source of these box cars except the brass imports, and $400 freight cars are way out of my budget!

Thanks in advance for any advice.

                                        

                                                                                      David Ellzey


Re: cast ends

mwbauers
 

I just took a closer look. Those lines of rivets are seamless.

It's as if the stamped end is one large panel attached to inner ribs by the two horizontal rivet lines, and bounded by edging members.

I also saw a very similar arrangement of back ribs when I looked up the Van Dorn bullseye ends online earlier this evening.

Perhaps they were still patterned after actual ends seen on the prototypes?

Mike Bauers


On Mar 15, 2015, at 12:21 AM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Mike

What stands out in that stamped end is TWO horizontal seams, with no stamping
in the upper panel. That makes it highly unusual right there, except for a limited
number of rebuilt cars, and they don't match the 4/4 pattern of the lower two panels.
As far as I know there is no prototype for the end in your photo.

Tim O'Connor

>Just this week I went for some vintage Red Ball parts because of the very clean looking freight car ends without cast on ladders or grabs.[my phone shot is not as crisp as the casting]
>
>I ID'd them as being a common freight car type. But I don’t know which one that is.
>
>Can someone tell me more about this end?
>
>Perhaps the years they were in common use ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Best to ya,
>Mike Bauers

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