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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Carl Gustafson
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 09:40:51AM +0200, 'Richard White' rhwhite@... [STMFC] wrote:
On Wed Mar 25 2015, Bill Welch asked:Well, residual chlorine gas. You won't get that out unless you purge the tank with an inert (and dry) gas very thoroughly. Carl Gustafson
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Trying to locate someone
Pierre Oliver
Morning all,
I'm trying to find an email for a regular participant of Naperville. A certain Mr Mischke. A B&O fan if memory serves. PLease reply offlist Thanks -- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Richard White
On Wed Mar 25 2015, Bill Welch asked:
Anyone, would chlorine ... have left any
particular type of residue on the car?
No, it's an element and a gas at atmospheric pressure. However, it is quite aggressive and in solution in water is a bleach so it might affect the paintwork near the discharge out let. Maybe someone else can tell us more
Richard White
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Tom
That sounds like Bobby Pitts. He has fabricated a large number of fabulous modern tank cars, and even scratchbuilds the trucks when he needs to! This is a sampling of his work -- https://www.flickr.com/photos/53243414@N00/sets/72157622308273777/ Tim O'Connor ----------------------------------- There was a beautiful little HO bromine tank on trainorders.com a couple of days ago. Too new for us but spectacular workmanship. Modeler goes by the handle "tankcarsrule" and signs as "Bobby". Tom Madden
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Todd Horton
I’m pretty sure that’s Bobby Pitts, he usually comes to the Savannah RPM meet. He has done some fantastic work on modern era cars. Todd Horton
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:12 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Tom Madden
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Allan Smith
The 1958 ORER page 674 Lists cars TELX 236-239 asTPI ICC105A 500 cars with a 80,000 lbs capacity, note A Cars in this series used for transportation of Liquid Chlorine only. Al Smith Sonora CA On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:44 AM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" wrote:
Cars like this, containing pressurized gas cargoes, do NOT have an expansion dome. Thermal expansion is expressed by a rise in pressure, not by actual expansion of the cargo. The gas is pumped in and pumped out through valves in the bonnet. (There is no bottom outlet.) It really should not be called a "dome" because it does not serve the purpose of an expansion dome. It only contains valves and fittings for cargo handling. In Ed Kaminski's book on AC&F tank cars, there are several photos in the final chapter of the interior of these bonnets. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Tom Madden
Tim wrote :
> I'm REALLY hoping that Frank will want to do any of
> the Ethyl, Dupont or Dow "antiknock" tank cars --
> Spectacular paint schemes, very common cars, found
> all over the country wherever gasoline was produced
> (or blended) -- Such cars were used from the 1920's to the 1990's.
Frank's next tank car, as mentioned in MRH a couple of issues ago, is a 10K insulated tank which will go on the same underframe as his 8K acid tank. The neat (and frustrating) thing is, with insulated tanks gallonage and length don't always define the size of the tank. You need to know the insulation thickness. Bringing Pennsylvania Salt back into the discussion, the Penn Salt 8K liquid caustic tank wrapped with 6" of insulation (78 + 12) is essentially the same diameter as a conventional 10K tank wrapped with 2" of insulation (87 + 4). So there will be at least three domes for the "10K" tank: 60" & 67" diameter (actually 68" & 75" when you account for the insulation, wall thicknesses of the dome and jacket, and dead space between the insulation and jacket), and the large diameter but very short Penn Salt dome (69" x 13.5" high).
> Another great tank car type would be the 3k-4k (?) > bromine tank cars -- tiny little things. :-)
There was a beautiful little HO bromine tank on trainorders.com a couple of days ago. Too new for us but spectacular workmanship. Modeler goes by the handle "tankcarsrule" and signs as "Bobby". Tom Madden
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Tony Thompson
Cars like this, containing pressurized gas cargoes, do NOT have an expansion dome. Thermal expansion is expressed by a rise in pressure, not by actual expansion of the cargo. The gas is pumped in and pumped out through valves in the bonnet. (There is no bottom outlet.) It really should not be called a "dome" because it does not serve the purpose of an expansion dome. It only contains valves and fittings for cargo handling. In Ed Kaminski's book on AC&F tank cars, there are several photos in the final chapter of the interior of these bonnets. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
jon miller <atsfus@...>
On 3/25/2015 9:03 AM, 'Andrew
Miller' aslmmiller@... [STMFC] wrote:
I kit bashed a 4kgal Ethyl tank car several years ago from the AHM "Olde Time" tank car and an Athearn chemical tank car dome. ��� My old brain seems to remember one of these cars written up in one of the RR Mags (maybe RMC?). -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Tom Birkett <tnbirke@...>
Ed
Effective Jan 1918 Class V cars are specified and they had to be of welded construction with jackets. All valves were and are on the top. The domes are very small because the volume for the thermal expansion of the product is in the tank shell. Tom Birkett-Bartlesville, OK From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:16 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions Thanks Ed. Anyone, would chlorine have been unloaded via the bottom or top of the car and would it have left any particular type of residue on the car? Bill Welch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Andy Miller
I kit bashed a 4kgal Ethyl tank car several years ago from the AHM "Olde
Time" tank car and an Athearn chemical tank car dome. I had to make my own decals. See: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/millera/ebax3064main.html To get a sense of how small this car is look at the trucks and couplers! Andy Miller From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:28 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions I'm REALLY hoping that Frank will want to do any of the Ethyl, Dupont or Dow "antiknock" tank cars -- Spectacular paint schemes, very common cars, found all over the country wherever gasoline was produced (or blended) -- Such cars were used from the 1920's to the 1990's. Another great tank car type would be the 3k-4k (?) bromine tank cars -- tiny little things. :-) Tim O'Connor --------------------------------- These cars would be a good project for the "Tank Car Division" of Resin Car Works to consider. Bill Welch
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
I'm REALLY hoping that Frank will want to do any of the Ethyl, Dupont or Dow "antiknock" tank cars -- Spectacular paint schemes, very common cars, found all over the country wherever gasoline was produced (or blended) -- Such cars were used from the 1920's to the 1990's. Another great tank car type would be the 3k-4k (?) bromine tank cars -- tiny little things. :-) Tim O'Connor --------------------------------- These cars would be a good project for the "Tank Car Division" of Resin Car Works to consider. Bill Welch
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Bill
Chlorine, or Ammonia -- Penn Salt manufactured both, and both required tank cars built to withstand very high pressure. The only prototype photo I've seen of the yellow car with blue band was a larger ammonia tank car, 11k to 12k (not sure) like the Atlas model. Tim O'Connor -------------------------------- The car has a bright blue center portion the extends the length of the bottom sheet, including the tank saddles. The rest of the tank including the ends are a bright yellow. "PENN SALT" is "stenciled" against the yellow, making the car impossible to miss. I am wondering what these cars carried so that I might have a clue as to how to weather it to tone it down? Advice welcomed.
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Bill Welch
Thanks Ed.
Anyone, would chlorine have been unloaded via the bottom or top of the car and would it have left any particular type of residue on the car? Bill Welch
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Re: Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Ed Hawkins
On Mar 25, 2015, at 9:33 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote: The car has a bright blue center portion the extends the length of the bottom sheet, including the tank saddles. The rest of the tank including the ends are a bright yellow. "PENN SALT" is "stenciled" against the yellow, making the car impossible to miss. I am wondering what these cars carried so that I might have a clue as to how to weather it to tone it down? Advice welcomed. Bill, Cars of this type carried chlorine. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Penn Salt tank cars (TRIX) comments & questions
Bill Welch
As the mood strikes me I pick up the TRIX insulated tank car and work on it. I sorted out how to mount a North American style coupler and I have been working on the U/F, mainly making new brake rodding and a line form the triple valve to the brake cylinder. As it sits on it trucks it looks too "leggy" but I think this might be an optical illusion because the center sill does not extend to the bolsters on either end, so I am going to use strip styrene to fill these voids. I also need to build a center anchor. The model does not have a bottom outlet and I am curious if these cars had them? The car has a bright blue center portion the extends the length of the bottom sheet, including the tank saddles. The rest of the tank including the ends are a bright yellow. "PENN SALT" is "stenciled" against the yellow, making the car impossible to miss. I am wondering what these cars carried so that I might have a clue as to how to weather it to tone it down? Advice welcomed. These cars would be a good project for the "Tank Car Division" of Resin Car Works to consider. Bill Welch
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Re: Leheigh Valley box car
Thomas Baker
Brian,
I apologize to you and to any other person on the list who may have spent time in an attempt to respond to my inquiry. I referred to the wrong railroad; it should have been the DL&W and a series of 10' 0" IH box cars numbered from 52500-52999. These cars did have the 4/3/1 dreadnaught ends and roof with diagonal panels. I finally located among my own resources the RMJ book on "Freight Car Models", p. 100, where a good photo of the car in question appears. So sorry for my faulty memory and taking up any time you took.
Tom Baker
From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Brian J Carlson' prrk41361@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:35 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Leheigh Valley box car Tom: do you recall the color of the car? The LV had 1937 AAr cars of 10 ft height and post war 10'6" cars but up to the end of this list I don't think they had any 10ft cars with diagonal panel roofs. Later in the 1960's they got a bunch of boxcars from USRA most of which were their own cars sold, refurbished and leased back. But I believe there were others. these cars appeared in green, white and a redder brown than their cars during the era of this list. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Group:
I recall seeing photos of a Leheigh Valley steel box car having an IH of 10' 0", diagonal panel roof, and possibly 3/4 IDE ends, not sure about that. In any case, does anyone have a JPEG to share and additional details about these cars?
Tom Baker
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Re: Leheigh Valley box car
Tom: do you recall the color of the car? The LV had 1937 AAr cars of 10 ft height and post war 10'6" cars but up to the end of this list I don't think they had any 10ft cars with diagonal panel roofs. Later in the 1960's they got a bunch of boxcars from USRA most of which were their own cars sold, refurbished and leased back. But I believe there were others. these cars appeared in green, white and a redder brown than their cars during the era of this list. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:48 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Leheigh Valley box car
Group:
I recall seeing photos of a Leheigh Valley steel box car having an IH of 10' 0", diagonal panel roof, and possibly 3/4 IDE ends, not sure about that. In any case, does anyone have a JPEG to share and additional details about these cars?
Tom Baker
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NERPM Collinsville, CT Proto Meet tentative clinic list
Dave Owens
Please excuse cross-posting.
Hello all. We've got a list of tentative clinics for the 2015 NERPM, scheduled for May 29-30, 2015 in Collinsville, Connecticut. It is likely some of these clinics may drop off the list because presenters will have a last-minute conflict. And some clinics will very likely be added. Please check our webpage and our page on Facebook for updates. Here's a link to the clinic list: http://neprototypemeet.com/NERPM%20Tenativeschedule%202015.pdf Here's a link to our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/NERPM In addition to clinics and a model display on Friday and Saturday, we'll have layout open houses on Sunday May 31. This year's meet is our 13th. Registration is still $25 in advance and $30 at the door. Here's our registration form: http://neprototypemeet.com/2015NE_Meet.pdf Our goal each year is to bring together modelers interested in learning and having fun. As in past years, we'll have some great manufacturers and vendors on hand, including: Bob's Photo, Ron's Books, Funaro & Camerlengo, Atlas Model Railroad Co., ESU Loksound, Rapido, Speedwitch, New England Rail Service, Bethlehem Car Works, the Hobby Gallery, the New Haven Railroad Technical and Historical Association (Saturday only), the Penn Central Historical Society, Dave's Trains, Short Line Products and several more. We'll also have our raffle Friday and Saturday with prizes donated by generous manufacturers and retailers. The meet will also again offer a white elephant table for attendees to sell unwanted or surplus items. We'll staff it and there's no charge. For more information, please contact Dave Owens at neprotomeet@.... Thanks, Dave Owens -- 2015 New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet May 29-30, 2015 (Always the weekend after Memorial Day) Collinsville, Connecticut www.neprototypemeet.com www.facebook.com/NERPM
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Re: Hobby Shops in the Nashville, TN area
fred huss
the TCRM Hobby Shop is only open Tuesday Noon to 4:00PM, Thursday Noon to 6:00PM and Saturday 9:00AM to 3:00 PM. Fred Huss
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