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Re: Red Caboose is not "No More"

SUVCWORR@...
 

Andy,

This is not entirely correct.  I spoke with IM last Friday to place an order and asked what was going on with RC as I have a client who wants a number of undec RC kits.  I was told 1) all the N-scale stock and dies have been sold to Fox Valley, and 2) parts and undec kits are no longer available from RC.  They are for all intents and purposes closed though the HO line is still for sale.  I did express a concern for the loss of the cars and asked if IM was going to acquire the HO line and was told no decision has been made on that matter.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson midcenturyandy@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Mar 30, 2015 7:00 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Red Caboose is not "No More"



Though Red Caboose has turned over all marketing, distribution and manufacturing of Red Caboose products, only the RTR items are done this way by agreement.

Red Caboose continues to offer parts and kits, though the last 8 months have been difficult for RC, and orders for parts and kits are delayed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: CGW X-29

Pete Ismail
 

Roy Thompson also runs the TECO train shows in Colorado Springs. His contact info is posted at http://www.tecoshow.org/tecoswap.htm . The phone number given there is the same as in the eBay listing.

Pete Ismail


On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Spen Kellogg wrote:
 
Dick,

I think his name is Roy Thompson and he is located in Colorado Springs. He is a regular at the TCA shows in Denver. He is constantly looking to buy up estate stuff, which he then marks up. He also does a lot of wheeling and dealing at the shows. Other than that I can't help you.


Re: Red Caboose models (was Re: CGW X-29)

Bill Welch
 

Very helpful Tim, I was not aware of the RC-7000 version. I want to get at least one of those.

Bill Welch


Re: Red Caboose models (was Re: CGW X-29)

Tim O'Connor
 

My Red Caboose (ASCII artwork) notes RC-7000,7001,7002,7003,7005.
The artwork was originally created by Chris Barkan.

 RC-7003

        ARA boxcar 1923 body style (style 1)
        w/ appropriate details for B&O M26A etc
        w/ shorter wheelbase than X-29 (approx 12" shorter)
        ___       ___        ___       ____      ____
            : |.       : |.       : |.      : |.      |
            : |.       : |.       : |.      : |.      |   
            : |.       : |.       : |.      : |.      |
        ___ : |.  ___  : |.  ___  : |. ____ : |. ____ |


 RC-7002

        X29 boxcar 1924 body style (style 2)
        w/ long wheelbase and steel plate ends
        This style is correct for B&O M-26B and NKP ex-W&LE cars
        ___       ___        ____        ____      ____
            : |.       : |.        : |.       .: |      |
            : |.       : |.        : |.       .: |      |  
            : |.       : |.        : |.       .: |      |
        ___ : |.  ___  : |.  ___   : |.  ____ .: | ____ |


 RC-7005 -- same as 7002 but has patch panel side reinforcements


 RC-7000

        X29 boxcar 1928-1929 body style (style 3)
        w/ long wheelbase
        ___      _____      ____     _____   _____
            | :.       | :.      | :.    .: |      |
            | :.       | :.      | :.    .: |      | 
            | :.       | :.      | :.    .: |      |
        ___ | :  _____ | :  ____ |   ____   | ____ |


 RC-7001 -- same as 7000 but with dreadnaught ends

Tim O'Connor


Red Caboose is not "No More"

Andy Carlson <midcenturyandy@...>
 

Though Red Caboose has turned over all marketing, distribution and manufacturing of Red Caboose products, only the RTR items are done this way by agreement.

Red Caboose continues to offer parts and kits, though the last 8 months have been difficult for RC, and orders for parts and kits are delayed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: CGW X-29

Bill Welch
 

From my Undecorated RC kit box ends

RC-7002 = 1924 Body Style Steel Plate Ends
RC-7003 = X-29 ARA Body Plate Ends

PRR fans, don't shoot me as the box label says "X-29" not the correct X29.

The lack of precision in box labeling may be contributing to the confusion but there are two distinct body styles with plate ends. AFAIK, RC only produced the X29 body style with the welded body repair plates along the bottom. BTW on one of the Undec kits I have has a note to myself that there is a pair of Chad Boas B&O door inside.

I believe Bill retains the molds as I have been trying to get detail sprues of Sill Steps and Bracket grabs from him for two years so I can have them burned out for brass parts. He keeps promising me. I assume Andy Carlson has an order in with him for more Undec kits of all of the versions.

These are great kits in my opinion and hopefully Speedwitch will again offer all of their modification parts for these cars to do them as B&O cars with Duryea U/F, LNE, MEC and CofNJ once they.

Bill Welch 


Re: CGW X-29

hayden_tom@...
 


Re: CGW X-29

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 3/30/2015 3:34 PM, Richard Dermody ddermody@... [STMFC] wrote:
�

Spen,

Would you happen to have any contact info for this vendor?

Dick,

I think his name is Roy Thompson and he is located in Colorado Springs. He is a regular at the TCA shows in Denver. He is constantly looking to buy up estate stuff, which he then marks up. He also does a lot of wheeling and dealing at the shows. Other than that I can't help you.

Spen


Re: CGW X-29

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Spen,

Would you happen to have any contact info for this vendor?

Dick

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Spen Kellogg spninetynine@... [STMFC] wrote:

Bill McClung, who is Red Caboose, is also the VP Sales (I may not have the title exactly right, but it's close enough) for Intermountain. There is at least one train show vendor here in Colorado who sells Red Caboose kits packaged in a plastic bag. I don't know if it is old inventory, or if he is able to replenish when it gets low.

Spen Kellogg


Re: CGW X-29

Brian Carlson
 

If you go to www.red-caboose.com all their undec kits are listed. RC 7003 is the ARA body. 
Brian Carlson 


Re: CGW X-29

hayden_tom@...
 

I don't recall seeing any 1923 ARA cars from RC. In fact there is now on e-bay a listing for an RC "X-29" lettered for CGW. It even has the reversed 3 panels on the door and is numbered 86302. It looks like  a reasonable stand-in for the correct car, but it IS an X29 style with X29 rivet pattern and ladder position. Would RC produce a "bogus" 86302 if they had a 1923 ARA car available? 

 Tom


Re: CGW X-29

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 3/30/2015 1:05 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
�

Rich, �Red Caboose is no more. �All the HO stuff is Intermountain now so you could see what their planned releases will be. �A since IMR can cut their own tooling, maybe they can do the correct CGW door.


� � � � � � InterMountain has indeed taken over production and marketing from Red Caboose, but if you visit the IM site you will quickly discover that all Red Caboose models are still sold under that name.

Tony Thompson�� � � � � ��Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

Bill McClung, who is Red Caboose, is also the VP Sales (I may not have the title exactly right, but it's close enough) for Intermountain. There is at least one train show vendor here in Colorado who sells Red Caboose kits packaged in a plastic bag. I don't know if it is old inventory, or if he is able to replenish when it gets low.

Spen Kellogg


Re: CGW X-29

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

Kind of like arguing Chevrolet & Buick are different when they're both GM products-

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From:"richramik@... [STMFC]"
Date:Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:39 PM
Subject:Re: Re: [STMFC] Re: CGW X-29

 

Tony:

Poor choice of words on my part.  I knew about RC being part of IM.  Checked the website, didn't find them.

Thanks,
Rich Ramik
 
 
On 03/30/15, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:
 
 

Rich,  Red Caboose is no more.  All the HO stuff is Intermountain now so you could see what their planned releases will be.  A since IMR can cut their own tooling, maybe they can do the correct CGW door.


            InterMountain has indeed taken over production and marketing from Red Caboose, but if you visit the IM site you will quickly discover that all Red Caboose models are still sold under that name.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: CGW X-29

richramik@...
 

Tony:

Poor choice of words on my part.  I knew about RC being part of IM.  Checked the website, didn't find them.

Thanks,
Rich Ramik
 
 
On 03/30/15, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 

Rich,  Red Caboose is no more.  All the HO stuff is Intermountain now so you could see what their planned releases will be.  A since IMR can cut their own tooling, maybe they can do the correct CGW door.


            InterMountain has indeed taken over production and marketing from Red Caboose, but if you visit the IM site you will quickly discover that all Red Caboose models are still sold under that name.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: CGW X-29

Clark Propst
 

There were CGW “X29 style” cars with the original Pullman doors in MofW service for the CNW. Even into the last gray and red scheme. One may still be on the Iowa Interstate? It sat in Coralville IA for years.
 
Bob’s photos has several good photos of these cars in as built paint.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: CGW X-29

Tony Thompson
 

Rich,  Red Caboose is no more.  All the HO stuff is Intermountain now so you could see what their planned releases will be.  A since IMR can cut their own tooling, maybe they can do the correct CGW door.


            InterMountain has indeed taken over production and marketing from Red Caboose, but if you visit the IM site you will quickly discover that all Red Caboose models are still sold under that name.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Placarding TRIX & Tangent tank cars

Bill Welch
 

Sounds like a great article for MRH!

Bill Welch


CGW 1923 ARA proposed standard steel sheathed boxcar

gary laakso
 

Each of the four batches totaling 1,450 cars is pictured in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol 18 at pages 86-88.

Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock


On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:25 PM, richramik@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Tim:

Looked at the RC site and couldn't find them.  I wouold be interested in them for some of my own projects.

Thanks,
Rich Ramik
 
 
On 03/30/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:
 
 


Jason, Red Caboose makes an ARA standard 1923 model in HO. The problem with
the CGW cars is that they are not a match for the sides. I think the CGW cars
have been done in resin in HO scale.

Tim O'Connor

>As noted, the CGW 1923 All Steel A.R.A. cars didn't have Creco doors, they had 3 panel car builders' doors. On line photos of the as-delivered cars outside of the link provided appear to be hard to come by. One thing that could help is to know that any cars still in their 85000-87999 numbering would still have original doors. The cars that were rebuilt were renumbered in to the 8000 series.
>
>A couple modeling notes, the 85000 and 86000 series had just a single grab iron on the left side of the car and the door latch was lower than the 87000 series. Also, as with most non-X29 cars, the side ladders are inset from the car end showing the rivet column at the ends of the car.
>
>I'm not sure why there are so many X29 models available when a standard 1923 car would have much broader appeal.
>
>Jason Kliewer
>Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Tank car matters

railsnw@...
 

Within the SP&S archival records I've been helping in cataloging is a letter from the Santa Fe to the SP&S wanting to know when their tank car that hauled fuel oil to Wishram, WA would be returned to them.

Richard Wilkens


Re: CGW X-29

Jason Kliewer
 

Rich,  Red Caboose is no more.  All the HO stuff is Intermountain now so you could see what their planned releases will be.  A since IMR can cut their own tooling, maybe they can do the correct CGW door.

Tim, if you say the the RC cars are 1923 ARA cars I'll accept that.  I usually look to see if the ladder is all the way to the end of the car, if so I assume it's based off an X29 drawing.


Jason Kliewer




---In STMFC@..., <richramik@...> wrote :

Tim:

Looked at the RC site and couldn't find them.  I wouold be interested in them for some of my own projects.

Thanks,
Rich Ramik
 
 
On 03/30/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]<STMFC@...> wrote:
 
 


Jason, Red Caboose makes an ARA standard 1923 model in HO. The problem with
the CGW cars is that they are not a match for the sides. I think the CGW cars
have been done in resin in HO scale.

Tim O'Connor

>As noted, the CGW 1923 All Steel A.R.A. cars didn't have Creco doors, they had 3 panel car builders' doors. On line photos of the as-delivered cars outside of the link provided appear to be hard to come by. One thing that could help is to know that any cars still in their 85000-87999 numbering would still have original doors. The cars that were rebuilt were renumbered in to the 8000 series.
>
>A couple modeling notes, the 85000 and 86000 series had just a single grab iron on the left side of the car and the door latch was lower than the 87000 series. Also, as with most non-X29 cars, the side ladders are inset from the car end showing the rivet column at the ends of the car.
>
>I'm not sure why there are so many X29 models available when a standard 1923 car would have much broader appeal.
>
>Jason Kliewer
>Colorado Springs, CO

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