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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis? (Photos Of Car Interiors)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Does anyone have a link to photos showing how the banana loads were arranged inside the cars? I assume this changed over time with experienced gained on how best to protect the load.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: URTX refrigerator car

destorzek@...
 

Gene Green's reefer book has a photo of URTX 5093 with the world's smallest CGW "Lucky Strike" herald, must only be 18" in diameter, last reweigh 1-52, definitely wood roof and ends, painted FCR. The "bib" under the door is black.

Likewise URTX 5861 with a Soo Line herald, and URTX 4975 with the older M&StL herald. Several other cars assigned to the Soo and Louie with steel ends and roof painted black, but no other CGW pix. One other thing that seems consistent is the cars with steel ends and roof have the General American triangle stenciled to the left of the door, but the line work on this stencil is so thin that it's harder to see than the type of roof.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Dave,

 

               Would the banana traffic have been diverted to other destinations while en-route to Chicago?  Or would the bananas be transloaded in Chicago and sent to other destinations?

 

               I guess my REAL question is whether the bananas at the grocery warehouse in Topeka, KS would have most likely arrived in IC reefers.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Per ICC reports the Banana traffic out of New Orleans (primary US port for banana imports) was almost exclusively to Chicago. I would imagine almost all distribution to nearby states would originate there.

Dave Nelson

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Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ?

Also, if routed to the Midwest from the South, what kind of icing treatment and what refrigerator cars in the early 1950s? I wouldn't think that bananas would not need to be chilled as much as other perishable traffic.

Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago?

Victor A. Baird

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Re: URTX refrigerator car

Armand Premo
 


Perhaps by decades would simplify the data.Armand Premo

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Compiling that data would be a daunting task and the ratio would change significantly each year after WWII.


I use the bound NMRA ORER as a guide and there were plenty of 36 ft. wood side box cars listed in 1943. I suspect most of these cars were retired as soon as  new cars were delivered.



Ed Mines

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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

Dave Nelson
 

Per ICC reports the Banana traffic out of New Orleans (primary US port for banana imports) was almost exclusively to Chicago. I would imagine almost all distribution to nearby states would originate there.



Dave Nelson



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Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ?



Also, if routed to the Midwest from the South, what kind of icing treatment and what refrigerator cars in the early 1950s? I wouldn't think that bananas would not need to be chilled as much as other perishable traffic.



Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago?



Victor A. Baird

www.erstwhilepublications.com










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Re: URTX refrigerator car

Tony Thompson
 

​Perhaps four or five years ago, I received a JPEG which someone on the list, possibly the late Richard Fredrickson, sent me.  


    I assume the person meant is Richard Hendrickson. 

Tony Thompson




Re: URTX refrigerator car

ed_mines
 

Compiling that data would be a daunting task and the ratio would change significantly each year after WWII.


I use the bound NMRA ORER as a guide and there were plenty of 36 ft. wood side box cars listed in 1943. I suspect most of these cars were retired as soon as  new cars were delivered.



Ed Mines


Re: URTX refrigerator car

Douglas Harding
 

Tom I have a photo of that car, URTX 97136 lettered for the CGW, just as you describe. It appears to have a wood roof, can’t really tell. The blt date is 5-23. The ends are wood, painted a dark color (FCR?), which based on Dennis’s comments, says the car has not been rebuilt and thus has the “wood roof”.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: URTX refrigerator car

Aley, Jeff A
 

Yes.

 

I believe it was John Nehrich who published a chart or table of that info in an old issue of MR.  Try March 1986 and see if that article of his includes the info you seek.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Speaking of wood and metal,has anyone  compiled the ratio  of wood vs steel cars by decade? Armand Premo

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Group,

 

​Perhaps four or five years ago, I received a JPEG which someone on the list, possibly the late Richard Fredrickson, sent me.  The car in question is URTX 97136 leased to the Chicago Great Western. The 3/4 shot does not reveal whether the car had a metal or wood roof.  Does anyone have information this car -- and presumably others in the same series?

 

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Re: URTX refrigerator car

Armand Premo
 

Speaking of wood and metal,has anyone  compiled the ratio  of wood vs steel cars by decade? Armand Premo

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​Perhaps four or five years ago, I received a JPEG which someone on the list, possibly the late Richard Fredrickson, sent me.  The car in question is URTX 97136 leased to the Chicago Great Western. The 3/4 shot does not reveal whether the car had a metal or wood roof.  Does anyone have information this car -- and presumably others in the same series?


Tom Baker

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Re: URTX refrigerator car

destorzek@...
 

What was the paint scheme? URTX seemed to stick with inside metal roofs (which, for our modeling, look like wood roofs on the outside) rather late... general rule of thumb is if the car still had wood ends the roof had not been changed, and roof and ends were painted FCR. Cars rebuilt with steel ends after General American acquired URTX also received steel roofs, and the roof and ends were painted black.

Dennis Storzek


URTX refrigerator car

Thomas Baker
 

Group,


​Perhaps four or five years ago, I received a JPEG which someone on the list, possibly the late Richard Fredrickson, sent me.  The car in question is URTX 97136 leased to the Chicago Great Western. The 3/4 shot does not reveal whether the car had a metal or wood roof.  Does anyone have information this car -- and presumably others in the same series?


Tom Baker


Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

william darnaby
 

The IC ran directly into the south side of Indianapolis on a secondary line that came off the main at Effingham. This line is now operated by the Indiana Railroad.



Bill Darnaby



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Victor, I do not believe that the ICRR got any closer to Indianapolis then Louisville KY.



Chuck Peck



On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:04 AM, reporterllc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ?

Victor A. Baird

www.erstwhilepublications.com


Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

Charles Peck
 

Victor, I do not believe that the ICRR got any closer to Indianapolis then Louisville KY. 

Chuck Peck

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:04 AM, reporterllc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ?

Victor A. Baird

www.erstwhilepublications.com



Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

Bill Welch
 

Banana traffic from such ports as Tampa, Charleston, SC, and Baltimore was loaded by Fruit Growers Express.

Bill Welch


ATSF 4000-4049 express reefers

rob.mclear3@...
 

Hello to all


Apologies for the cross postings.   I am attempting to scratchbuild some of the Santa Fe's 4000-4049 class of express reefers for my Fast Mail and other passenger trains but I am stumped over the underframe and the roof configurations, does anyone have pictures or plans of these cars that could help me out thanks.   I am going to make a few of these as once I have the sides, ends, roof and underframe done I intend to make moulds of them and cast a few of them in resin so I want to get the initial car correct.


I am looking at the 1934 rebuild with the steel sheathed sides as opposed to the further build in the 1950's.  Any help would be appreciated thanks.


Rob McLear

Australia



Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?

Tim O'Connor
 

Victor Baird wrote

> ... if routed to the Midwest from the South, what kind of icing treatment

Ice or heaters (depending on season) may be needed but unless the bananas were
going to sit for a while at a wholesale terminal I would think no service would
be needed so close to the destination of the bananas.

> Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come
> form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago?

I think that is a reasonable assumption. The rail haul from Baltimore, Philadelphia
or New York to Detroit is shorter by hundreds of miles than from Mobile or Nawlins.

My guess is that IC traffic reached Chicago and all points north and west as far
as the Missouri River (KC and Omaha). Denver and El Paso and Fargo may be more
economically reached from west coast ports.

Tim O'Connor


Bananas to the Indianapolis?

reporterllc
 

Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ?


Also, if routed to the Midwest from the South,  what kind of icing treatment and what refrigerator cars in the early 1950s?  I wouldn't think that bananas would not need to be chilled as much as other perishable traffic.


Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago?


Victor A. Baird

www.erstwhilepublications.com


Re: ACL Photos

Benjamin Hom
 

John Sykes asked:
"What are the vintage of the photos in that book?

Reason I ask is that the Fallen Flags and RR Picture Archive photos were mainly cars built in the '60s or repainted in that era. I am having trouble locating cars in their 1950s paint & lettering scheme (e.g., the purple and silver diesel era)."

Earliest photo is a June 1941 builder's photo of a Class O-22 automobile boxcar; latest photos are dated 1969, with the bulk of the photos taken between 1955-1959. The retail price on my copy is $18.


Ben Hom


Re: Red Caboose is not "No More"

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"Andy Carlson midcenturyandy@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Red Caboose has pared off its O scale and N scale lines, but the HO line is somewhat intact (The SP F-70-7 tooling has been sold) but Bill has been swamped with personal matters for the last 8 months and has not shipped any parts or kits during this time. He and I converse almost monthly, and besides looking to find a buyer for the HO tooling, he intends to continue kits/parts. He will eventually have the private issues behind him and I fully expect to receive items, just don't know when.

Bill has been running parts for the kits on an on-going basis and has a good inventory in his stock. He just doesn't have enough time to box up kits. I don't know how much of this situation he wishes to share, but Bill hasn't once said that he is quitting the kits/parts business as long as the RC line doesn't have a new owner.

-Andy Carlson

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