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Re: URTX refrigerator car
The photo I have shows a freshly painted car in 1936. It does not look like
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a wood roof to me. Outside metal roofs were sheet metal over wood were they not? Tim O'
Tom I have a photo of that car, URTX 97136 lettered for the CGW, just as you describe. It appears to have a wood roof, can�t really tell. The blt date is 5-23. The ends are wood, painted a dark color (FCR?), which based on Dennis�s comments, says the car has not been rebuilt and thus has the �wood roof�.
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
james murrie
If I recall correctly the main IC station for servicing the banana refers as they traveled north from New Orleans was Fulton KY.
Jim Murrie
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
earlyrail
Would the banana traffic have been diverted to other destinations while en-route to Chicago? Or would the bananas be transloaded in Chicago and sent to other destinations?The IC Historical group did an "Green Diamond" magazine issue on banana traffic. Bananas going north to Minnesota were interchanged at East Dubuque among other locations. Howard Garner
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis? (Photos Of Car Interiors)
thecitrusbelt@...
Does anyone have a link to photos showing how the banana loads were arranged inside the cars? I assume this changed over time with experienced gained on how best to protect the load. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
destorzek@...
Gene Green's reefer book has a photo of URTX 5093 with the world's smallest CGW "Lucky Strike" herald, must only be 18" in diameter, last reweigh 1-52, definitely wood roof and ends, painted FCR. The "bib" under the door is black.
Likewise URTX 5861 with a Soo Line herald, and URTX 4975 with the older M&StL herald. Several other cars assigned to the Soo and Louie with steel ends and roof painted black, but no other CGW pix. One other thing that seems consistent is the cars with steel ends and roof have the General American triangle stenciled to the left of the door, but the line work on this stencil is so thin that it's harder to see than the type of roof. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Aley, Jeff A
Hi Dave,
Would the banana traffic have been diverted to other destinations while en-route to Chicago? Or would the bananas be transloaded in Chicago and sent to other destinations?
I guess my REAL question is whether the bananas at the grocery warehouse in Topeka, KS would have most likely arrived in IC reefers.
Regards,
-Jeff
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 10:52 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Per ICC reports the Banana traffic out of New Orleans (primary US port for banana imports) was almost exclusively to Chicago. I would imagine almost all distribution to nearby states would originate there.
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
Armand Premo
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Perhaps by decades would simplify the data.Armand
Premo
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Dave Nelson
Per ICC reports the Banana traffic out of New Orleans (primary US port for banana imports) was almost exclusively to Chicago. I would imagine almost all distribution to nearby states would originate there.
Dave Nelson From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:05 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Bananas to the Indianapolis? Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ? Also, if routed to the Midwest from the South, what kind of icing treatment and what refrigerator cars in the early 1950s? I wouldn't think that bananas would not need to be chilled as much as other perishable traffic. Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago? Victor A. Baird www.erstwhilepublications.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
Tony Thompson
I assume the person meant is Richard Hendrickson. Tony Thompson
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
ed_mines
Compiling that data would be a daunting task and the ratio would change significantly each year after WWII. I use the bound NMRA ORER as a guide and there were plenty of 36 ft. wood side box cars listed in 1943. I suspect most of these cars were retired as soon as new cars were delivered. Ed Mines
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
Tom I have a photo of that car, URTX 97136 lettered for the CGW, just as you describe. It appears to have a wood roof, can’t really tell. The blt date is 5-23. The ends are wood, painted a dark color (FCR?), which based on Dennis’s comments, says the car has not been rebuilt and thus has the “wood roof”.
Doug Harding
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
Aley, Jeff A
Yes.
I believe it was John Nehrich who published a chart or table of that info in an old issue of MR. Try March 1986 and see if that article of his includes the info you seek.
Regards,
-Jeff
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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 8:45 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] URTX refrigerator car
Speaking of wood and metal,has anyone compiled the ratio of wood vs steel cars by decade? Armand Premo
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
Armand Premo
Speaking of wood and metal,has anyone
compiled the ratio of wood vs steel cars by decade? Armand
Premo
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Re: URTX refrigerator car
destorzek@...
What was the paint scheme? URTX seemed to stick with inside metal roofs (which, for our modeling, look like wood roofs on the outside) rather late... general rule of thumb is if the car still had wood ends the roof had not been changed, and roof and ends were painted FCR. Cars rebuilt with steel ends after General American acquired URTX also received steel roofs, and the roof and ends were painted black.
Dennis Storzek
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URTX refrigerator car
Thomas Baker
Group,
Perhaps four or five years ago, I received a JPEG which someone on the list, possibly the late Richard Fredrickson, sent me. The car in question is URTX 97136 leased to the Chicago Great Western. The 3/4 shot does not reveal
whether the car had a metal or wood roof. Does anyone have information this car -- and presumably others in the same series?
Tom Baker
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
william darnaby
The IC ran directly into the south side of Indianapolis on a secondary line that came off the main at Effingham. This line is now operated by the Indiana Railroad.
Bill Darnaby From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:54 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bananas to the Indianapolis? Victor, I do not believe that the ICRR got any closer to Indianapolis then Louisville KY. Chuck Peck On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:04 AM, reporterllc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote: Do I recall correctly that the Illinois Central ran banana traffic to Indianapolis (an entire train?) ? Victor A. Baird www.erstwhilepublications.com
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Victor, I do not believe that the ICRR got any closer to Indianapolis then Louisville KY. Chuck Peck
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:04 AM, reporterllc@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Bill Welch
Banana traffic from such ports as Tampa, Charleston, SC, and Baltimore was loaded by Fruit Growers Express.
Bill Welch
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ATSF 4000-4049 express reefers
rob.mclear3@...
Hello to all Apologies for the cross postings. I am attempting to scratchbuild some of the Santa Fe's 4000-4049 class of express reefers for my Fast Mail and other passenger trains but I am stumped over the underframe and the roof configurations, does anyone have pictures or plans of these cars that could help me out thanks. I am going to make a few of these as once I have the sides, ends, roof and underframe done I intend to make moulds of them and cast a few of them in resin so I want to get the initial car correct. I am looking at the 1934 rebuild with the steel sheathed sides as opposed to the further build in the 1950's. Any help would be appreciated thanks. Rob McLear Australia
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Re: Bananas to the Indianapolis?
Victor Baird wrote
> ... if routed to the Midwest from the South, what kind of icing treatment Ice or heaters (depending on season) may be needed but unless the bananas were going to sit for a while at a wholesale terminal I would think no service would be needed so close to the destination of the bananas. > Would most of the banana traffic to the huge Detroit Produce terminal come > form East Coast ports from the IC via Chicago? I think that is a reasonable assumption. The rail haul from Baltimore, Philadelphia or New York to Detroit is shorter by hundreds of miles than from Mobile or Nawlins. My guess is that IC traffic reached Chicago and all points north and west as far as the Missouri River (KC and Omaha). Denver and El Paso and Fargo may be more economically reached from west coast ports. Tim O'Connor
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