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Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Andy Harman
 

One of the Naperville Sunshine Minikit giveaways was a set of side overlays to convert an Atlas AAR offset side hopper to the alternate standard, and it came with decals for Montour and Cambrian & Indiana. The instruction sheet that comes with it doesn't have a photo of the actual cars, but has photos of ribbed side cars to show lettering.

My question is - since Intermountain has released the very nice alternate standard car making lots of NKP and C&O fans very happy... would anybody be interested in this Sunshine minikit today? I recently found my entire pile of Naperville minikits. Many of them I will keep and use, but some like this one, I will never use and plan to list on that auction site. Is there anything special about this minikit that would make it desirable over the IM car?

Andy


Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

Andy Harman
 

At 07:45 PM 4/14/2015 +0000, you wrote:
Actually, you just named one instance. The Ulrich GS gon is still the only game in town for SP Class G-50-12; the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models are not the same prototype.
As you know I have kind of a drop bottom gondola fetish that, like my passenger train fetish, extends beyond my normal modeling era and scope. I actually have a couple of Challenger brass GS gondolas and I think one might be a G50-12, but I'd have to go down two flights of stairs to check at the moment. I have a whole stack of the Ulrich cars I picked up for an average of <$10, in fact I think I got 5 of them for 40 bucks at Winterail one time. I don't know when I'd get around to it but nice to know I could still build something unique from it.

And I do have Tony's book....

Andy


Re: Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Tim O'Connor
 

Alan E. Houtz <alanhoutz@att.net>
440 Niagara Road
Oconomowoc WI 53066
262-443-6788

From my detective work I think it was Alan Houtz that did the IWATA airbrush workshops at Lisle last year. I am wondering if anyone came away with Alan's contact information?

Bill Welch


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Tim O'Connor
 

Interesting point Dennis -- Do you know whether "XF" box cars had wood lining
above the load as well? I never heard of the sweating problem before but lined
ceilings make a lot more sense now. The N&W B-18 PS-1 box cars were not insulated
but they had plug doors and lined ceilings -- just to name one car for which I
happen to have an interior photo scan from the Virginia Tech web site.

Tim O'

Slightly different discussion, but sweating was a big problem with ANY all steel roof, given the proper conditions. Jim Dick of the NPHS sent me copies of a considerable amount of correspondence generated in the Minneapolis milling district concerning this. It seems, during cold weather cars loaded with warm flour would have the moisture condense on the car roof as the load cooled, and rain back down on the load. This did not occure on older cars with outside metal roofs, since they had a layer of wood under the roof panels, or cars with inside metal roofs, because the outer board covering allowed the roof panels to warm with the load.

There was really no good solution to this, as the railroads had a lot of compelling reasons to go with the new all steel roofs. In later years, when bunkerless refrigerator cars (RB's or more commonly RBL's) became more common, these became the preferred car for flour loading, as they had a wood lining under the roof.

As a side note, one has to keep in mind that as long as the railroads were the only game in town for bulk shipments, they were not particularly responsive to customer complaints, often choosing to pay a certain amount in damage claims rather than spend additional capital funds on improving the car fleet.

Dennis Storzek


Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Bill Welch
 

From my detective work I think it was Alan Houtz that did the IWATA airbrush workshops at Lisle last year. I am wondering if anyone came away with Alan's contact information?


Bill Welch

 


SAL 3-Bay Hoppers In Alternate scheme(s)

Scaler164@...
 

Groups,
 
I am looking for a small handful of photos (at least 3) of SAL offset 3-bay hoppers in the following paint scheme... each having different road numbers.  Based in the information I've gotten, this scheme is most likely a 'shop variation' to the 'official' scheme :
 

 
Compare the above, alternate scheme to the as-built scheme below :
 
 
 
Lee English of Bowser is interested in offering the old ex-Stewart Hobbies model in this alternate scheme, so if I can provide photos of some of these cars in the alternate scheme, he will do them.
 
Thanks.
 
 
John Degnan
Scaler187@comcast.net
Scaler164@comcast.net
 


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Re: Yarmouth stirrup steps

Robert J Miller CFA
 

I think the appropriate method may vary with the complexity of the task. E.G. photos might be adequate to explain how to drill ladder rails, while folding & twisting sill steps into shape might be better done with a short video. In any case, any tips you can illustrate, regardless of the medium use, would be most welcome.
 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford



From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Yarmouth stirrup steps

 
Hope it works for you Ed.
Now in that vein, what would you guys like to see for guides for some of these fiddly bits, like folding ladder stiles, and twisting the stirrups?
Some form of link to YouTube clips? Or would simple blogpsots with images suffice?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On 4/12/2015 2:53 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
thanks indeed!

ed mines




Re: Yarmouth stirrup steps

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Pierre:



I would prefer a video or photos because I believe it communicates best when coupled with a description. I know that at times I have had to read someone’s description more than a time or two to try and understand what the person is saying. Once I see the photo, then I understand what the person said and I wonder how I ever had trouble understanding what the person wrote.



Bob Amsler

Saint Louis, Missouri



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:35 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Yarmouth stirrup steps





Hope it works for you Ed.
Now in that vein, what would you guys like to see for guides for some of these fiddly bits, like folding ladder stiles, and twisting the stirrups?
Some form of link to YouTube clips? Or would simple blogpsots with images suffice?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com <http://www.elgincarshops.com>
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com <http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com>

On 4/12/2015 2:53 PM, ed_mines@yahoo.com <mailto:ed_mines@yahoo.com> [STMFC] wrote:



thanks indeed!



ed mines


Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

The link is not working.
Paul Doggett UK




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"Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


Andy Harman wrote:
"This really started with the Ulrich GS gondola, which I think was a well detailed and good looking model in its day, and unlike its modern
superplastic or even brass counterparts, it actually had operating drop doors.

I really can't think of any instances in which I'd use this vintage stuff to make a state of the art prototypical model."
Actually, you just named one instance. The Ulrich GS gon is still the only game in town for SP Class G-50-12; the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models are not the same prototype. Here's one of Tony Thompson's models (scroll midway down page):
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/04/choosing-model-car-fleet-8-gondloas.html

Ben Hom


Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Actually, you just named one instance. The Ulrich GS gon is still the only game in town for SP Class G-50-12; the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models are not the same prototype. Here's one of Tony Thompson's models (scroll midway down page):
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/04/choosing-model-car-fleet-8-gondloas.html


    Ben's link unfortunately misspells "gondolas," so won't work. Here is the right link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

Benjamin Hom
 

Andy Harman wrote:
"This really started with the Ulrich GS gondola, which I think was a well detailed and good looking model in its day, and unlike its modern
superplastic or even brass counterparts, it actually had operating drop doors.

I really can't think of any instances in which I'd use this vintage stuff to make a state of the art prototypical model."
Actually, you just named one instance. The Ulrich GS gon is still the only game in town for SP Class G-50-12; the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models are not the same prototype. Here's one of Tony Thompson's models (scroll midway down page):
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/04/choosing-model-car-fleet-8-gondloas.html


Ben Hom


Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

Andy Harman
 

I too have some stash of vintage HO freight cars from the 1950s and 60s, but my reason for having them is nostalgic rather than prototype modeling. As such I look for complete original cars in good condition, built or unbuilt. Athearn metal line, MDC when it really was "die cast", Revell, Varney, Hobbyline, Ulrich etc. I do occasionally set up some code 100 track and operate these cars behind a Mantua Pacific or other blacksmith-era power. One thing I have done is put Kadees on everything. I may be nostalgic but I'm not a masochist. I always despised horn hook and Mantua loop couplers, and that's one headache I don't need.

This really started with the Ulrich GS gondola, which I think was a well detailed and good looking model in its day, and unlike its modern superplastic or even brass counterparts, it actually had operating drop doors.

I really can't think of any instances in which I'd use this vintage stuff to make a state of the art prototypical model. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but that's not really what I'm wanting from them. They are what they are, and I consider the vintage stuff to be a separate hobby. I didn't cut my teeth on Lionel like so many of my generation and before, so I have no childhood memories there to try and reclaim - Lionel was something the other kids had. My childhood memories are of these old metal, metal and wood, and early plastic rolling stock.

Andy


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"Frustrated with another project I decided to build my PMHS commissioned Red Caboose model. It’s been forever since I’ve built one of those X29 cars. I was very impressed with the engineering of the kit. Went together much better than most plastic kits and with better detailing. The PMHS had an amended instruction page added. I noticed from photos in RP Cyc 18 they missed the route card placard on the door and the pulling loops in the sill."

Careful - you have more issues than a missing route card placard and towing loops. Do not depend on the kit instructions regarding brake layout - ensure you verify the prototype brake layout (including the retainer line on the B end) and modify as necessary. The AB brake layout in the Red Caboose instructions is correct ONLY for PRR Dreadnaught end cars built new with AB brakes and is not correct for Class X29 boxcars retrofitted with AB brakes or any ARA-design cars built new. The transverse-mounted reservoir is a key spotting feature and is an obvious indicator that you got it wrong on the model, so a little care here is in order.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Clark Propst
 

Frustrated with another project I decided to build my PMHS commissioned Red Caboose model. It’s been forever since I’ve built one of those X29 cars. I was very impressed with the engineering of the kit. Went together much better than most plastic kits and with better detailjk.
The PMHS had an amended instruction page added. I noticed from photos in RP Cyc 18 they missed the route card placard on the door and the pulling loops in the sill.
I haven’t glued the Accurail Hutchins roof on yet. I’m waiting to stop at a hobby shop in St Paul this weekend to pick up more Kadee running boards. I’ll paint them together before installing.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Search Function

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

I asked a question, no need to get all emotional over it

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]"
Date:Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Subject:Re: [STMFC] Search Function

 

WHAT?  NO!  This car has nothing to do with Branchline.  Where did you get that idea??  This is a car that was tooled by Atlas a few years back and does not even vaguely resemble the Branchline steel cars (other than it being about 40’ in length and steel construction).  And yes, Branchline fixed the error on their car almost immediately.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Mark Drake markstation01@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



This was the old Branchline car, right? And if so it was never made accurately was it?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date:Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Subject:Re: [STMFC] Search Function

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I entered Atlas USRA Rebuilds and received lots of hits from July and August 2013 discussions as well as discussions from the original, early 2011 model release."

Do a search on "S Helper Service USRA Rebuild" and you'll turn up older posts when this model first hit the shelves. We'd like to think that the bad old days when manufacturer research consisted of copying Athearn's models, but unfortunately, this abomination shows that the practice is alive and well.

Ben Hom





Re: Search Function

Bruce Smith
 

WHAT?  NO!  This car has nothing to do with Branchline.  Where did you get that idea??  This is a car that was tooled by Atlas a few years back and does not even vaguely resemble the Branchline steel cars (other than it being about 40’ in length and steel construction).  And yes, Branchline fixed the error on their car almost immediately.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Mark Drake markstation01@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



This was the old Branchline car, right? And if so it was never made accurately was it?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date:Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Subject:Re: [STMFC] Search Function

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I entered Atlas USRA Rebuilds and received lots of hits from July and August 2013 discussions as well as discussions from the original, early 2011 model release."

Do a search on "S Helper Service USRA Rebuild" and you'll turn up older posts when this model first hit the shelves. We'd like to think that the bad old days when manufacturer research consisted of copying Athearn's models, but unfortunately, this abomination shows that the practice is alive and well.

Ben Hom





Re: Search Function

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

This was the old Branchline car, right? And if so it was never made accurately was it?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From:"Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]"
Date:Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Subject:Re: [STMFC] Search Function

 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I entered Atlas USRA Rebuilds and received lots of hits from July and August 2013 discussions as well as discussions from the original, early 2011 model release."

Do a search on "S Helper Service USRA Rebuild" and you'll turn up older posts when this model first hit the shelves. We'd like to think that the bad old days when manufacturer research consisted of copying Athearn's models, but unfortunately, this abomination shows that the practice is alive and well.

Ben Hom


Re: Search Function

Benjamin Hom
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I entered Atlas USRA Rebuilds and received lots of hits from July and August 2013 discussions as well as discussions from the original, early 2011 model release."

Do a search on "S Helper Service USRA Rebuild" and you'll turn up older posts when this model first hit the shelves. We'd like to think that the bad old days when manufacturer research consisted of copying Athearn's models, but unfortunately, this abomination shows that the practice is alive and well.


Ben Hom


Re: Bettendorf catalogs

Douglas Harding
 

Gene, Brian Leppert posted about 20 pages from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog to the STMFC files the end of February. All were images about tank cars. Check

 

File : /Bettendorf Tank Car/page 44 001.jpg

Uploaded by : brianleppert@...

Description :

 

You can access this file at the URL:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20Tank%20Car/page%2044%20001.jpg

 

This the only think I have ever seen of a Bettendorf Catalog.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 10:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bettendorf catalogs

 

 

Has anyone ever come across any Bettendorf catalogs?  

Gene Green


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Elden & Ben

I knew the re-building program was the ultimate solution for the X29 but this started a couple of decades+ after they were built and the B&O apparently never did anything for their M-26. It is just curious to me.

Bill Welch

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