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Re: Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Andy Harman
 

At 06:10 AM 4/15/2015 -0700, you wrote:

I recently completed the NYC USRA offset side conversion. The castings weren't too bad. I used a Tichy hopper (not an Accurail car as recommended) and the process went well, although the decals supplied by SS were horrible. Very fuzzy. I ended up decaling the car letter-by-letter and it took forever.
Actually for my (mumble) era there were more of the NKP 3-bay offset side cars in service than the 2-bay, and there's no model that currently exists of that car either. The old MDC and/or the Stewart/Bowser 3-bay offset is just a stand in. Just one of many on my to-do list someday, or wait for someone to offer a resin kit or conversion. Unlike the N&W H-10, I don't need 50 of them - a small sampling of 2-3 would be enough and so I wouldn't mind doing a kitbash or resin build.

I believe Martin did a MP hopper-top conversion. If you've got that one and are letting it go, can you give me a shout, please?
I think I may have sold that one last year.

Andy


Re: Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Andy Harman
 

At 04:21 AM 4/15/2015 -0400, you wrote:
You mean other than the fact that you already own it, probably no
one wants the minikit anymore, what the heck else can you do with
the Atlas models, and where are you going to find accurate decals?
The minikit came with decals for both C&O and Montour, those may be worth more than the resin parts alone.

Andy


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

np328
 

I will try to provide a bit of an update on that sweating concern.

        Looking at records of XM's constructed on the NP Ry in the later fifties, (beyond my modeling timeframe) there are products that can be certainly found in Railway Age advertisements if one looks. These are spray on products composed of cork granules in asphalt like substances.  They were advertised for use on caboose interior roofs also, both as a sound and temperature insulator.

     When I get a chance I will try to give the names however I did note (while doing some research for our historical group) that these items were listed on the NP's spec sheets of material requirements per car that was supplied to the builders. The price in 1950-1960 dollars x 1000 or so cars (per order) was large enough that there had to be some justification. Doubly so for a frugal outfit like the NP. 

    I am not sure of the longevity of these as I had also seen other correspondence of these same materials later flaking off and contaminating the loads.  However that was this company vs that companies product.

 

    I will see if I can find the mfg names, so that the HS societies of these two cars might check if these products can be found in connection with the cars records. 

                                                                                                         Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 



Speedwitch Christmas in April-FGEX & WFEX decals really fine

Bill Welch
 

A parcel of goodies arrived today from Speedwitch including new sets of Fruit Growers and Western Fruit decals to do older cars, meaning those built to the 1922 and 1926 FGE designs as well as some reefers that came from other railroads. I have three models waiting for these. I have to admit that Sunshine's decals for these two companies always looked a little heavy—a subjective statement I admit— but a part of me will cringe a little when Speedwitch and Sunshine decaled cars are side-by-side. "Double Deck" decals are included that can be used with Sunshine's #34.2 kit. These have never been available before. Three variations of the GN goat herald are included.


Another package highlight is the Vol. 3 of Prototype Railroad Modeling which for this issue is essentially a "Ya'll" road issue since the Frisco went into Birmingham , Ala. (LOL) Bob Chapman's article on modeling L&N coal hoppers is really well done in terms of showing us "how to do it." I love the rare photo showing the L&N's USRA hopper with its Andrews trucks. Very well illustrated and comprehensive in terms of their large and diverse fleet.


I also appreciated the remembrance of our beloved Richard and the tip of the hat to the FSA/OWI Collection housed at the Library of Congress.


Bill Welch


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :

Interesting point Dennis -- Do you know whether "XF" box cars had wood lining
above the load as well? I never heard of the sweating problem before but lined
ceilings make a lot more sense now. The N&W B-18 PS-1 box cars were not insulated
but they had plug doors and lined ceilings -- just to name one car for which I
happen to have an interior photo scan from the Virginia Tech web site.

Tim O'
===========
I donno, Tim. I can't seem to find "XF" in the list of mechanical designations in either the 1/58 or 10/70 ORER, but in 1958 there was a designation "XME" which was lined for "merchandise loading". I do recall seeing XF stenciled on cars, but after the period of this list. It may be one of those designations that came and went; disappearing when it became evident that if you are going to spend the money on lining a car, you may as well insulate it. "XI" was another short lived designation; eventually all these lined and insulated high value cars were also built with loaders and became the ubiquitous RBL of today.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Yarmouth stirrup steps

Ed Mims
 

To be purely prototypical, freight cars have sill steps, not stirrup steps. This is like the recent discussion about running boards and roof walks.  

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL



On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 6:45 AM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
In a few weeks I will sit down with my buddy, Trevor Marshall, and crank out a couple of videos demonstrating how I work with some of my products.
Thanks to all for the inputs.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 4/14/2015 6:26 PM, Bob Miller cajonpass02@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
I think the appropriate method may vary with the complexity of the task. E.G. photos might be adequate to explain how to drill ladder rails, while folding & twisting sill steps into shape might be better done with a short video. In any case, any tips you can illustrate, regardless of the medium use, would be most welcome.
 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford


From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Yarmouth stirrup steps

 
Hope it works for you Ed.
Now in that vein, what would you guys like to see for guides for some of these fiddly bits, like folding ladder stiles, and twisting the stirrups?
Some form of link to YouTube clips? Or would simple blogpsots with images suffice?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On 4/12/2015 2:53 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
thanks indeed!

ed mines







Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Clark Propst
 

Ben Hom wrote: “Do not depend on the kit instructions regarding brake layout”
 
I didn’t Ben. I noticed the difference from the photos in the Cyc.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

golden1014
 

Hi Andy,

Yeah, with the Intermountain release those mini-kits are probably worth their weight in resin.  

I recently completed the NYC USRA offset side conversion.  The castings weren't too bad.  I used a Tichy hopper (not an Accurail car as recommended) and the process went well, although the decals supplied by SS were horrible.  Very fuzzy.  I ended up decaling the car letter-by-letter and it took forever.

I believe Martin did a MP hopper-top conversion.  If you've got that one and are letting it go, can you give me a shout, please?

Thanks,
John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Tim, I do read messages form the website.

Bill Welch


Re: Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Tim O'Connor
 

weird, unless you're reading emails on the web page .. yahoo never edits my email.

alanhoutz at att.net

Thanks Tim, could you send me the rest of Alan's email, Yahoo chopped off everything after the "@"

Bill Welch


Re: Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Benjamin Hom
 

Andy Harman asked:
"My question is - since Intermountain has released the very nice alternate
standard car making lots of NKP and C&O fans very happy... would anybody be
interested in this Sunshine minikit today? I recently found my entire pile
of Naperville minikits. Many of them I will keep and use, but some like
this one, I will never use and plan to list on that auction site. Is there
anything special about this minikit that would make it desirable over the

IM car?"

It'll allow you to use models of the first run of the Atlas offset twin, which had a strange (and inaccurate) double center post that was corrected on later runs.

Ben Hom


Re: Yarmouth stirrup steps

Pierre Oliver
 

In a few weeks I will sit down with my buddy, Trevor Marshall, and crank out a couple of videos demonstrating how I work with some of my products.
Thanks to all for the inputs.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 4/14/2015 6:26 PM, Bob Miller cajonpass02@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
I think the appropriate method may vary with the complexity of the task. E.G. photos might be adequate to explain how to drill ladder rails, while folding & twisting sill steps into shape might be better done with a short video. In any case, any tips you can illustrate, regardless of the medium use, would be most welcome.
 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford


From: "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Yarmouth stirrup steps

 
Hope it works for you Ed.
Now in that vein, what would you guys like to see for guides for some of these fiddly bits, like folding ladder stiles, and twisting the stirrups?
Some form of link to YouTube clips? Or would simple blogpsots with images suffice?
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On 4/12/2015 2:53 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
thanks indeed!

ed mines





Re: Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Tim, could you send me the rest of Alan's email, Yahoo chopped off everything after the "@"

Bill Welch


Re: Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Tim O'Connor
 

Is there anything special about this minikit that would make it
> desirable over the IM car?

You mean other than the fact that you already own it, probably no
one wants the minikit anymore, what the heck else can you do with
the Atlas models, and where are you going to find accurate decals?

Tim O'Connor


Sunshine Alternate Std. Hopper Minikit

Andy Harman
 

One of the Naperville Sunshine Minikit giveaways was a set of side overlays to convert an Atlas AAR offset side hopper to the alternate standard, and it came with decals for Montour and Cambrian & Indiana. The instruction sheet that comes with it doesn't have a photo of the actual cars, but has photos of ribbed side cars to show lettering.

My question is - since Intermountain has released the very nice alternate standard car making lots of NKP and C&O fans very happy... would anybody be interested in this Sunshine minikit today? I recently found my entire pile of Naperville minikits. Many of them I will keep and use, but some like this one, I will never use and plan to list on that auction site. Is there anything special about this minikit that would make it desirable over the IM car?

Andy


Re: Old Trains, New Parts?

Andy Harman
 

At 07:45 PM 4/14/2015 +0000, you wrote:
Actually, you just named one instance. The Ulrich GS gon is still the only game in town for SP Class G-50-12; the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models are not the same prototype.
As you know I have kind of a drop bottom gondola fetish that, like my passenger train fetish, extends beyond my normal modeling era and scope. I actually have a couple of Challenger brass GS gondolas and I think one might be a G50-12, but I'd have to go down two flights of stairs to check at the moment. I have a whole stack of the Ulrich cars I picked up for an average of <$10, in fact I think I got 5 of them for 40 bucks at Winterail one time. I don't know when I'd get around to it but nice to know I could still build something unique from it.

And I do have Tony's book....

Andy


Re: Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Tim O'Connor
 

Alan E. Houtz <alanhoutz@...>
440 Niagara Road
Oconomowoc WI 53066
262-443-6788

From my detective work I think it was Alan Houtz that did the IWATA airbrush workshops at Lisle last year. I am wondering if anyone came away with Alan's contact information?

Bill Welch


Re: PRR X29 and B&O M-26 roofs

Tim O'Connor
 

Interesting point Dennis -- Do you know whether "XF" box cars had wood lining
above the load as well? I never heard of the sweating problem before but lined
ceilings make a lot more sense now. The N&W B-18 PS-1 box cars were not insulated
but they had plug doors and lined ceilings -- just to name one car for which I
happen to have an interior photo scan from the Virginia Tech web site.

Tim O'

Slightly different discussion, but sweating was a big problem with ANY all steel roof, given the proper conditions. Jim Dick of the NPHS sent me copies of a considerable amount of correspondence generated in the Minneapolis milling district concerning this. It seems, during cold weather cars loaded with warm flour would have the moisture condense on the car roof as the load cooled, and rain back down on the load. This did not occure on older cars with outside metal roofs, since they had a layer of wood under the roof panels, or cars with inside metal roofs, because the outer board covering allowed the roof panels to warm with the load.

There was really no good solution to this, as the railroads had a lot of compelling reasons to go with the new all steel roofs. In later years, when bunkerless refrigerator cars (RB's or more commonly RBL's) became more common, these became the preferred car for flour loading, as they had a wood lining under the roof.

As a side note, one has to keep in mind that as long as the railroads were the only game in town for bulk shipments, they were not particularly responsive to customer complaints, often choosing to pay a certain amount in damage claims rather than spend additional capital funds on improving the car fleet.

Dennis Storzek


Alan Houtz Golden Spike Industries Iwata Workshop @ Lisle 2014?

Bill Welch
 

From my detective work I think it was Alan Houtz that did the IWATA airbrush workshops at Lisle last year. I am wondering if anyone came away with Alan's contact information?


Bill Welch

 


SAL 3-Bay Hoppers In Alternate scheme(s)

Scaler164@...
 

Groups,
 
I am looking for a small handful of photos (at least 3) of SAL offset 3-bay hoppers in the following paint scheme... each having different road numbers.  Based in the information I've gotten, this scheme is most likely a 'shop variation' to the 'official' scheme :
 

 
Compare the above, alternate scheme to the as-built scheme below :
 
 
 
Lee English of Bowser is interested in offering the old ex-Stewart Hobbies model in this alternate scheme, so if I can provide photos of some of these cars in the alternate scheme, he will do them.
 
Thanks.
 
 
John Degnan
Scaler187@...
Scaler164@...
 


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