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HO Central Valley Bettendorf trucks

Fran Giacoma
 

I was acquired many HO CV Bettendorf trucks while working at a hobby shop in high school during the early 1970‘s. I liked them because of their weight and free rolling characteristics and used them to replace the plastic ones on my Athearn, Train Miniature, etc. cars.

How accurate were/are they? 

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma



Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Bill Welch
 

I knew immediately what Tony meant. Richard was persistent with the tenacity of a Gila Monster, said with all of the respect and affection I can muster. I am sure Manufacturers are tired of me mentioning the 1953-57 class of FGEX/WFEX/BREX Mechanical reefers and remaining them they can sell them with the sound of a sweet Detroit Diesel to boot. It takes persistence to get their attention.

Bill Welch


Re: Clark Propst̢۪s M&S tL in video

Andy Harman
 

At 12:33 PM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:
But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.
I didn't jump on you.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

Throw any shoes into the machinery lately Andy?

It's one thing to say one prefers this scale over that scale and/or this railroad -- or time period -- over that one... and quite another thing to charge someone is an idiot on account of trying something different

No doubt as a commercial seller of goods you approve of people spending tens of thousands of dollars on physical layouts, enough spare rolling stock to fill a closet, and a sizable percentage of their home dedicated to a layout -- I know because I've been there. That I have chosen to drop all that and instead to spend $1500 on a good PC and maybe $150 on content, spread out over 1 cardtable, is a VASTLY better deal.

Yes, I do miss the hands on. I don't miss cleaning, repairing, struggling w/ poor performance, spending more on ever higher prices, or spending my evenings in a damp basement or cold garage. $250-$300 for one plastic locomotive? I can buy a dozen that look as nice for $15. $40 for one RTR boxcar? All mine have been free. Let me tell you, that difference REALLY ADDS UP.

I make models, I paint models. I build layouts and scenic them. I fiddle with the physics for a minute or so per model to get them to perform properly and they stay that way. Then I operate trains over the route. Or a different route. Or a third... or fourth... or fifth. Quite a bit of variety, far more than I've ever have were I building something physical. All on my PC.

Needless to say, YMMV. I'm glad you guys enjoying doing it the way you do. But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

At 06:37 PM 4/29/2015 -0700, you wrote:
One of things I always notice when I view a (physical) model railroad
is it differs from a simulated railroad (PC simulator).
If there's one thing more irksome than using someone's idea of a nonstandard coupler height, or somebody else's Chinese puzzle assembly, or somebody else's DCC-quirk-of-the-week, or somebody else's paint formula of the week, or somebody else's ridiculous packaging of the week, it's using somebody else's computer program.

Of all the aspects of the hobby, playing trains on a computer falls somewhere between track cleaning and stepping on Kadee couplers in bare feet in terms of what I'd rather do.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

You needed be so disparaging as both approaches have merit.

 

As for building resin cars… I still do that too.

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

 

I also noticed a number of assembled resin freight cars

You can play your video games, I’ll build models  ;   ))

 

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

np328
 

    I recall once Richard said something to me about 10 years ago (?) that rather annoyed me. Later after some research on my part, I found that Richard had done his homework and what I found irritating was - quite true.

    Is cognitive dissonance the correct term here?  I think it could be.

Well I dealt with it and meanwhile, my respect for Richard only grew. 

    Of cynicism – Whenever I feel that way, I recall Richard stating that “these are the best of times to be a modeler.”  (And in no small part due to him.) And I recall him stating that several times.  And if there is any statement of Richards that stands out for me, it is that one.   

                                                                                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN



Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Schneider wrote:

 
As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


       Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. I certainly did not mean literally "annoying," but simply repeating his requests and recommendations. Richard could be pretty tireless about something he believed in. From his comments on occasion, I am certain that a few folks at certain manufacturers DID feel annoyed.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/30/2015 9:22 AM, mguill1224@... [STMFC] wrote:
I want one(1) Hooker car.  Now that K-Val in Buffalo is gone, please advise as to how and from whom I can purchase one(1) Hooker car.  Thank you!  Hugh T. Guillaume

    Hugh, ask again in about five years, which is my guess as to when these cars will be available (very big grin)!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Andy Harman
 

At 09:58 AM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:

I'd like to know when/why so many modelers became so cynical...
I'd like to say it comes with age. In my case the age was about 6.

Andy :-)


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

I'd like to know when/why so many modelers became so cynical...

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From:"'Bill Schneider' bschneider424@... [STMFC]"
Date:Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Subject:RE: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


Bill Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

 

    Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers, all the 

time". That choice of words astounds me. If what Richard actually did was "annoy" manufacturers

then what this hobby needs is about fifty more "Annoyers" to get some needed items produced

without all the duplication we have seen with things such as EMD F-units and such. Given the

preponderance of complaints on the PCL of late with regard to the difficulty of opening Walthers'

latest Chinese puzzles a few "Annoyers" for things in that regard are long overdue as well. Let

us hope we do not see any imported freight equipment of interest to those of us on the STMFC 

arrive with similar issues. Just what are the designers of such items thinking? Certainly not about

the final customer.

 

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Bill Schneider
 

As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


Bill Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

 

    Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers, all the 

time". That choice of words astounds me. If what Richard actually did was "annoy" manufacturers

then what this hobby needs is about fifty more "Annoyers" to get some needed items produced

without all the duplication we have seen with things such as EMD F-units and such. Given the

preponderance of complaints on the PCL of late with regard to the difficulty of opening Walthers'

latest Chinese puzzles a few "Annoyers" for things in that regard are long overdue as well. Let

us hope we do not see any imported freight equipment of interest to those of us on the STMFC 

arrive with similar issues. Just what are the designers of such items thinking? Certainly not about

the final customer.

 

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

I want one(1) Hooker car.  Now that K-Val in Buffalo is gone, please advise as to how and from whom I can purchase one(1) Hooker car.  Thank you!  Hugh T. Guillaume


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

Also possible that you were more likely to have seen multiples of the older
tank cars together than the more modern one. I can¹t remember having seen
two cryogenic tanks together, though it¹s possible.

By the same token, strings of the older tanks were common.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 10:36 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank
car









On 4/30/2015 8:19 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:



P.S. What's with BLI and the 4-packs? They also announced a modern tank car
and that
one is offered singly or in sets! Maybe BLI thinks steam era modelers are
suckers?
It's possible that BLI believes that sales to steam era modelers are
less/more? Without seeing the books we will never know. It's also possible
that shop owners and distributors are driving this. We don't know how many
are sitting on shelves of both eras.


--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS










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ADMIN: BLI Multi Box Process

Mikebrock
 

The recent indication that BLI intends to confine sales of a 6000 gal tank car to 4 cars per sale presents the STMFC with a "grey" area with regard to the group's rules.

Andy Harman writes about BLI's packaging process:

"Sure, multi-packs make sense, but
not when they are the only option. It's only being done for one reason -
to raise the per unit price and a perception that people who only want one
will buy four just because that's how it's packaged. And this will
increase total sales."

Note the STMFC rule:

"Criticism of a manufacturer's business
practices is, however, not within the scope of the group."

So, Andy Harman seems to be saying that the packaging process that BLI chooses to use is business driven [ increased profit ] and, therefore, a business practice. If so, criticism of such a choice is out of scope. OTOH, the choice of purchasing...single box or multi box...is a buyer's decision and member's are certainly free to indicate their choice. BLI can respond to the buyer's preference...or not. Their choice. And, of course, the buyer has a choice. In the end, dealers will likely break the multi box into singles.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


BLI 6,000 gallon ICC 105 tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

I have a 1961 image of the same type of HOKX tank car depicted in
the new BLI catalog. The prototype cars had an interesting feature.
The poling pocket was mounted on the outside of the side sill,
inboard of the bolster, angled outwards. Of course the all-black
paint scheme was gone by the era I'm interested in -- should be
orange with a black center band.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/30/2015 8:19 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
P.S. What's with BLI and the 4-packs? They also announced a modern tank car and that
one is offered singly or in sets! Maybe BLI thinks steam era modelers are suckers?

    It's possible that BLI believes that sales to steam era modelers are less/more?  Without seeing the books we will never know.  It's also possible that shop owners and distributors are driving this.  We don't know how many are sitting on shelves of both eras.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers,
>> all the time". That choice of words astounds me.
>> Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine

The first time I ever heard Richard speak at Naperville he had us howling with
all the unalloyed vitriol he was throwing out in the general direction of most of
the plastic kit makers ... but Richard also heaped praise upon those who had seen
the light and certainly aided any who sincerely asked for help. He was a gadfly,
for sure, but a very great gadfly.

Tim O'Connor

P.S. What's with BLI and the 4-packs? They also announced a modern tank car and that
one is offered singly or in sets! Maybe BLI thinks steam era modelers are suckers?


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Andy Harman
 

At 06:37 PM 4/29/2015 -0700, you wrote:
One of things I always notice when I view a (physical) model railroad is it differs from a simulated railroad (PC simulator).
If there's one thing more irksome than using someone's idea of a nonstandard coupler height, or somebody else's Chinese puzzle assembly, or somebody else's DCC-quirk-of-the-week, or somebody else's paint formula of the week, or somebody else's ridiculous packaging of the week, it's using somebody else's computer program.

Of all the aspects of the hobby, playing trains on a computer falls somewhere between track cleaning and stepping on Kadee couplers in bare feet in terms of what I'd rather do.

Andy


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Andy Harman
 

At 06:34 AM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:
Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers, all the
time". That choice of words astounds me. If what Richard actually did was "annoy" manufacturers
then what this hobby needs is about fifty more "Annoyers" to get some needed items produced
To paraphrase Orwell, some annoyers are more annoying than others.

I've never been annoying enough. The one and only time I ever achieved any success - as in, getting an error fixed before a model went into production - it was because I awakened some of the more high level annoyers. They're still around for the most part. I figure if the combined clout of all you guys on this list and others isn't enough to have BLI "get it" that 4-packs of non-unit train cars are just an obvious attempt to force extra purchases (mainly on the dealers), then what am I, fried chicken liver?

Andy


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Andy Harman
 

At 11:01 AM 4/30/2015 +0200, you wrote:

Only 4-packs will be sold, as were PRR H32 hoppers.
ISTR being lambasted for not taking this up with the manufacturer last time because I already knew they wouldn't listen. Plenty of folks did, and they didn't. Glad I didn't waste my time.

From what I've seen most of the H32s still out on dealer shelves have been broken up into singles.

I just don't get the 4-pack mentality. Sure, multi-packs make sense, but not when they are the only option. It's only being done for one reason - to raise the per unit price and a perception that people who only want one will buy four just because that's how it's packaged. And this will increase total sales.

Really. What else could they be thinking? We've told them what we think, they've ignored it.

Andy

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