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Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Andy Harman
 

At 09:53 PM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:

This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this
design. I’d just like to know what the reason is.
I am not familiar with this particular car but it reminds me of the later
B&O "canstock" box cars which had the doors offset to the ends. This had
something to do with being able to load and unload steel coils for the tin
can industry and it allowed for increased capacity. On this SAL car, the
door guides aren't long enough for both doors to slide all the way down, so
it looks as if one or the other door area could be open but not both.

Andy


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Bob & Group,

Very interesting indeed.

Judging from the mounting of the ladder on the far side of the car, it appears that both right and left side double doors are at the same end of the car. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:53 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 






Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

Mark Vinski
 


I noticed today that the Tangent three compartment tank car has no retainer valve. I then checked the acid car and it too lacks this part of the brake system.

 

Mark Vinski


Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

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50th Anniversary Sale of Westerfield kits

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi folks,

A few weeks ago I mentioned that last November marked our 50th year in business and that we would be
celebrating with a sale of Westerfield kits once they were all listed. That has been done and the list is available
by emailing newrail@surfglobal.net. As I understand things almost all Westerfield kits now sell for $35 each.
The cost for the listed kits, some 90 of them given that some are available in multiples, is $28 each. Shipping
is $6 for one car, $8 for two cars and $10 for three or more cars. This price is good on the cars listed only and
only for those cars in stock at the time your order is received. The sale for the Westerfield cars will last until
30 June this year.

Happy modeling, Don Valentine
New England Rail Service, Inc.


ADMIN: Warning. STMFC rules will be enforced

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I suppose some of you, particularly those that have been members of the STMFC for several years, might be curious as to how the STMFC mgt will react to the 20+ recent messages that are entirely out of scope on the STMFC. From Hugh T. Guillaume's message, apparently ordering one of the BLI tank cars from the STMFC [ well, it might be a way for Jeff Aley and me to make some $ I guess...although no one would get a car ], to Andy Harman's personal attack [ and, Andy, as far as I am concerned, it was ] on Dave Nelson, to various messages referring to cynicism, very few messages to the STMFC today were in scope. Note the following STMFC rules:

"The objectives
include the sharing of
information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in
the period 1900-1960 inclusive
including their operation,
distribution and the various techniques of building
models of them.

Personal attacks on other members, manufacturers or prototype modeling
events is expressly prohibited
and may result in
expulsion from the group. Members are expected to conduct themselves in a
gentlemanly manner. Personal attacks on anyone including non members is not
permitted.

Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free
from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business
practices is, however, not within the scope of the group."

Note particularly the following rule: "ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHTCARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES."

STMFC mgt fully expects members to wander out of scope from time to time. Members will be reminded of the rules from time to time as well and such reminders need to be taken seriously.

Note that, while warnings might not be issued for every venture out of scope, warnings should be heeded.

Last, note that the STMFC is NOT just another social site.

So, consider this message from STMFC mgt to be a warning. The next out of scope message will send the message writer to Moderate Jail.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner...and Head Judge


Re: persistence (was Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car)

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill I kept bugging Martin Lofton to do at least one mechanical reefer!
You're right just keep bugging them and maybe we'll get one just to shut
us up. :-)

Tim O'

I knew immediately what Tony meant. Richard was persistent with the tenacity of a Gila Monster, said with all of the respect and affection I can muster. I am sure Manufacturers are tired of me mentioning the 1953-57 class of FGEX/WFEX/BREX Mechanical reefers and remaining them they can sell them with the sound of a sweet Detroit Diesel to boot. It takes persistence to get their attention.

Bill Welch


HO Central Valley Bettendorf trucks

Fran Giacoma
 

I was acquired many HO CV Bettendorf trucks while working at a hobby shop in high school during the early 1970‘s. I liked them because of their weight and free rolling characteristics and used them to replace the plastic ones on my Athearn, Train Miniature, etc. cars.

How accurate were/are they? 

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma



Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Bill Welch
 

I knew immediately what Tony meant. Richard was persistent with the tenacity of a Gila Monster, said with all of the respect and affection I can muster. I am sure Manufacturers are tired of me mentioning the 1953-57 class of FGEX/WFEX/BREX Mechanical reefers and remaining them they can sell them with the sound of a sweet Detroit Diesel to boot. It takes persistence to get their attention.

Bill Welch


Re: Clark Propst̢۪s M&S tL in video

Andy Harman
 

At 12:33 PM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:
But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.
I didn't jump on you.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

Throw any shoes into the machinery lately Andy?

It's one thing to say one prefers this scale over that scale and/or this railroad -- or time period -- over that one... and quite another thing to charge someone is an idiot on account of trying something different

No doubt as a commercial seller of goods you approve of people spending tens of thousands of dollars on physical layouts, enough spare rolling stock to fill a closet, and a sizable percentage of their home dedicated to a layout -- I know because I've been there. That I have chosen to drop all that and instead to spend $1500 on a good PC and maybe $150 on content, spread out over 1 cardtable, is a VASTLY better deal.

Yes, I do miss the hands on. I don't miss cleaning, repairing, struggling w/ poor performance, spending more on ever higher prices, or spending my evenings in a damp basement or cold garage. $250-$300 for one plastic locomotive? I can buy a dozen that look as nice for $15. $40 for one RTR boxcar? All mine have been free. Let me tell you, that difference REALLY ADDS UP.

I make models, I paint models. I build layouts and scenic them. I fiddle with the physics for a minute or so per model to get them to perform properly and they stay that way. Then I operate trains over the route. Or a different route. Or a third... or fourth... or fifth. Quite a bit of variety, far more than I've ever have were I building something physical. All on my PC.

Needless to say, YMMV. I'm glad you guys enjoying doing it the way you do. But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

At 06:37 PM 4/29/2015 -0700, you wrote:
One of things I always notice when I view a (physical) model railroad
is it differs from a simulated railroad (PC simulator).
If there's one thing more irksome than using someone's idea of a nonstandard coupler height, or somebody else's Chinese puzzle assembly, or somebody else's DCC-quirk-of-the-week, or somebody else's paint formula of the week, or somebody else's ridiculous packaging of the week, it's using somebody else's computer program.

Of all the aspects of the hobby, playing trains on a computer falls somewhere between track cleaning and stepping on Kadee couplers in bare feet in terms of what I'd rather do.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

You needed be so disparaging as both approaches have merit.

 

As for building resin cars… I still do that too.

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

 

I also noticed a number of assembled resin freight cars

You can play your video games, I’ll build models  ;   ))

 

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

np328
 

    I recall once Richard said something to me about 10 years ago (?) that rather annoyed me. Later after some research on my part, I found that Richard had done his homework and what I found irritating was - quite true.

    Is cognitive dissonance the correct term here?  I think it could be.

Well I dealt with it and meanwhile, my respect for Richard only grew. 

    Of cynicism – Whenever I feel that way, I recall Richard stating that “these are the best of times to be a modeler.”  (And in no small part due to him.) And I recall him stating that several times.  And if there is any statement of Richards that stands out for me, it is that one.   

                                                                                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN



Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Schneider wrote:

 
As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


       Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. I certainly did not mean literally "annoying," but simply repeating his requests and recommendations. Richard could be pretty tireless about something he believed in. From his comments on occasion, I am certain that a few folks at certain manufacturers DID feel annoyed.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 4/30/2015 9:22 AM, mguill1224@... [STMFC] wrote:
I want one(1) Hooker car.  Now that K-Val in Buffalo is gone, please advise as to how and from whom I can purchase one(1) Hooker car.  Thank you!  Hugh T. Guillaume

    Hugh, ask again in about five years, which is my guess as to when these cars will be available (very big grin)!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Andy Harman
 

At 09:58 AM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:

I'd like to know when/why so many modelers became so cynical...
I'd like to say it comes with age. In my case the age was about 6.

Andy :-)


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Mark Drake <markstation01@...>
 

I'd like to know when/why so many modelers became so cynical...

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From:"'Bill Schneider' bschneider424@... [STMFC]"
Date:Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Subject:RE: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


Bill Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

 

    Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers, all the 

time". That choice of words astounds me. If what Richard actually did was "annoy" manufacturers

then what this hobby needs is about fifty more "Annoyers" to get some needed items produced

without all the duplication we have seen with things such as EMD F-units and such. Given the

preponderance of complaints on the PCL of late with regard to the difficulty of opening Walthers'

latest Chinese puzzles a few "Annoyers" for things in that regard are long overdue as well. Let

us hope we do not see any imported freight equipment of interest to those of us on the STMFC 

arrive with similar issues. Just what are the designers of such items thinking? Certainly not about

the final customer.

 

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Bill Schneider
 

As one who he “annoyed” repeatedly, I miss the annoyance.

 

I’m not sure that Tony meant that in a derogatory way Don.


Bill Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

 

    Tony Thompson writes "Richard Hendrickson annoyed practically all the manufacturers, all the 

time". That choice of words astounds me. If what Richard actually did was "annoy" manufacturers

then what this hobby needs is about fifty more "Annoyers" to get some needed items produced

without all the duplication we have seen with things such as EMD F-units and such. Given the

preponderance of complaints on the PCL of late with regard to the difficulty of opening Walthers'

latest Chinese puzzles a few "Annoyers" for things in that regard are long overdue as well. Let

us hope we do not see any imported freight equipment of interest to those of us on the STMFC 

arrive with similar issues. Just what are the designers of such items thinking? Certainly not about

the final customer.

 

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

I want one(1) Hooker car.  Now that K-Val in Buffalo is gone, please advise as to how and from whom I can purchase one(1) Hooker car.  Thank you!  Hugh T. Guillaume


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

 

Also possible that you were more likely to have seen multiples of the older
tank cars together than the more modern one. I can¹t remember having seen
two cryogenic tanks together, though it¹s possible.

By the same token, strings of the older tanks were common.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 10:36 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank
car









On 4/30/2015 8:19 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC] wrote:



P.S. What's with BLI and the 4-packs? They also announced a modern tank car
and that
one is offered singly or in sets! Maybe BLI thinks steam era modelers are
suckers?
It's possible that BLI believes that sales to steam era modelers are
less/more? Without seeing the books we will never know. It's also possible
that shop owners and distributors are driving this. We don't know how many
are sitting on shelves of both eras.


--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS










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