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Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Andy Miller
 

John (or Ben),



When were these cars rebuilt? I can’t quite make out the built date at the far right of the car. Or would that date have only told when the original B5 was built?



Regards,



Andy Miller



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Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 10:06 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors





Bob,



That's a former SAL B-5 box car, heavily rebuilt. The idea was to make a very wide opening to load lumber with fork lifts. The doors were offset on each side, by the way. SAL built an experimental car and then rebuilt, I think, ten more cars. Of course in the 60s cars got much bigger so they didn't continue the program. I have more info if you need it--just holler offline.



John Golden

OFallon, IL


Re: Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

al_brown03
 

It doesn't come with a bleed rod either, but both are easy to add. Nice car. :-)

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

golden1014
 

Bob,

That's a former SAL B-5 box car, heavily rebuilt.  The idea was to make a very wide opening to load lumber with fork lifts.  The doors were offset on each side, by the way.  SAL built an experimental car and then rebuilt, I think, ten more cars.  Of course in the 60s cars got much bigger so they didn't continue the program.  I have more info if you need it--just holler offline.

John Golden
OFallon, IL


New parts from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

Morning all;
It took a little longer than I had wished, but the new parts are now listed on the website.
Visit http://yarmouthmodelworks.com/details.php
And have a look at the sill steps for Tangent tank cars, X-29 patch panels(2 styles) and the Kadee ladder drilling template.
Cheers

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


3D Printed Parts

Bill Welch
 

Granted these are large scale truck parts but still her is one aftermarket vender offering printed parts: Class A Resin

 Bill Welch


Re: Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

Tim O'Connor
 

what pieces of junk!! i want my money back! how am i supposed to run these
cars on steep grades? :-)

I noticed today that the Tangent three compartment tank car has no retainer valve.
I then checked the acid car and it too lacks this part of the brake system.
Mark Vinski


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Benjamin Hom
 



Bob Chaparro wrote:
"This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.
http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/30853925542817596/filePointer/30853925577027870/fodoid/30853925577027864/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/SAL%252020203.jpg

SAL 20200-20209, rebuilt from cars in SAL 20000-20199 (steel rebuilds of SAL 15000-15999 SS boxcars) optimized for handling finished lumber with fork trucks.  See the 1st Quarter 2013 issue of The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler for more information.


Ben Hom


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Staffan Ehnbom
 

The Great Northern rebuilt its 1940 vintage double wood sheath car no. 49759 into a similar car in 1958 renumbering it 29001. It had the 20 ft door openings at opposite ends of the car, which I would think goes for the Seaboard car too. The two doors opened to be stacked one outside the other. Judging by the apparent depth of the door stop I'd think that goes for the Seaboard car too. The GN car was an experimental lumber loading car.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Bob & Group,


Very interesting indeed.

Judging from the mounting of the ladder on the far side of the car, it appears that both right and left side double doors are at the same end of the car. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:53 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 







Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Andy Harman
 

At 09:53 PM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:

This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this
design. I’d just like to know what the reason is.
I am not familiar with this particular car but it reminds me of the later
B&O "canstock" box cars which had the doors offset to the ends. This had
something to do with being able to load and unload steel coils for the tin
can industry and it allowed for increased capacity. On this SAL car, the
door guides aren't long enough for both doors to slide all the way down, so
it looks as if one or the other door area could be open but not both.

Andy


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Bob & Group,

Very interesting indeed.

Judging from the mounting of the ladder on the far side of the car, it appears that both right and left side double doors are at the same end of the car. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:53 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.

 


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 






Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

Mark Vinski
 


I noticed today that the Tangent three compartment tank car has no retainer valve. I then checked the acid car and it too lacks this part of the brake system.

 

Mark Vinski


Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is Seaboard 20203. I’m sure there is a very good reason for this design.  I’d just like to know what the reason is.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/30853925542817596/filePointer/30853925577027870/fodoid/30853925577027864/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/SAL%252020203.jpg


50th Anniversary Sale of Westerfield kits

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi folks,

A few weeks ago I mentioned that last November marked our 50th year in business and that we would be
celebrating with a sale of Westerfield kits once they were all listed. That has been done and the list is available
by emailing newrail@.... As I understand things almost all Westerfield kits now sell for $35 each.
The cost for the listed kits, some 90 of them given that some are available in multiples, is $28 each. Shipping
is $6 for one car, $8 for two cars and $10 for three or more cars. This price is good on the cars listed only and
only for those cars in stock at the time your order is received. The sale for the Westerfield cars will last until
30 June this year.

Happy modeling, Don Valentine
New England Rail Service, Inc.


ADMIN: Warning. STMFC rules will be enforced

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I suppose some of you, particularly those that have been members of the STMFC for several years, might be curious as to how the STMFC mgt will react to the 20+ recent messages that are entirely out of scope on the STMFC. From Hugh T. Guillaume's message, apparently ordering one of the BLI tank cars from the STMFC [ well, it might be a way for Jeff Aley and me to make some $ I guess...although no one would get a car ], to Andy Harman's personal attack [ and, Andy, as far as I am concerned, it was ] on Dave Nelson, to various messages referring to cynicism, very few messages to the STMFC today were in scope. Note the following STMFC rules:

"The objectives
include the sharing of
information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in
the period 1900-1960 inclusive
including their operation,
distribution and the various techniques of building
models of them.

Personal attacks on other members, manufacturers or prototype modeling
events is expressly prohibited
and may result in
expulsion from the group. Members are expected to conduct themselves in a
gentlemanly manner. Personal attacks on anyone including non members is not
permitted.

Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free
from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business
practices is, however, not within the scope of the group."

Note particularly the following rule: "ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHTCARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES."

STMFC mgt fully expects members to wander out of scope from time to time. Members will be reminded of the rules from time to time as well and such reminders need to be taken seriously.

Note that, while warnings might not be issued for every venture out of scope, warnings should be heeded.

Last, note that the STMFC is NOT just another social site.

So, consider this message from STMFC mgt to be a warning. The next out of scope message will send the message writer to Moderate Jail.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner...and Head Judge


Re: persistence (was Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car)

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill I kept bugging Martin Lofton to do at least one mechanical reefer!
You're right just keep bugging them and maybe we'll get one just to shut
us up. :-)

Tim O'

I knew immediately what Tony meant. Richard was persistent with the tenacity of a Gila Monster, said with all of the respect and affection I can muster. I am sure Manufacturers are tired of me mentioning the 1953-57 class of FGEX/WFEX/BREX Mechanical reefers and remaining them they can sell them with the sound of a sweet Detroit Diesel to boot. It takes persistence to get their attention.

Bill Welch


HO Central Valley Bettendorf trucks

Fran Giacoma
 

I was acquired many HO CV Bettendorf trucks while working at a hobby shop in high school during the early 1970‘s. I liked them because of their weight and free rolling characteristics and used them to replace the plastic ones on my Athearn, Train Miniature, etc. cars.

How accurate were/are they? 

Thanks.

Fran Giacoma



Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Bill Welch
 

I knew immediately what Tony meant. Richard was persistent with the tenacity of a Gila Monster, said with all of the respect and affection I can muster. I am sure Manufacturers are tired of me mentioning the 1953-57 class of FGEX/WFEX/BREX Mechanical reefers and remaining them they can sell them with the sound of a sweet Detroit Diesel to boot. It takes persistence to get their attention.

Bill Welch


Re: Clark Propst̢۪s M&S tL in video

Andy Harman
 

At 12:33 PM 4/30/2015 -0700, you wrote:
But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.
I didn't jump on you.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

Throw any shoes into the machinery lately Andy?

It's one thing to say one prefers this scale over that scale and/or this railroad -- or time period -- over that one... and quite another thing to charge someone is an idiot on account of trying something different

No doubt as a commercial seller of goods you approve of people spending tens of thousands of dollars on physical layouts, enough spare rolling stock to fill a closet, and a sizable percentage of their home dedicated to a layout -- I know because I've been there. That I have chosen to drop all that and instead to spend $1500 on a good PC and maybe $150 on content, spread out over 1 cardtable, is a VASTLY better deal.

Yes, I do miss the hands on. I don't miss cleaning, repairing, struggling w/ poor performance, spending more on ever higher prices, or spending my evenings in a damp basement or cold garage. $250-$300 for one plastic locomotive? I can buy a dozen that look as nice for $15. $40 for one RTR boxcar? All mine have been free. Let me tell you, that difference REALLY ADDS UP.

I make models, I paint models. I build layouts and scenic them. I fiddle with the physics for a minute or so per model to get them to perform properly and they stay that way. Then I operate trains over the route. Or a different route. Or a third... or fourth... or fifth. Quite a bit of variety, far more than I've ever have were I building something physical. All on my PC.

Needless to say, YMMV. I'm glad you guys enjoying doing it the way you do. But don't jump on me again for doing it differently than you.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----

At 06:37 PM 4/29/2015 -0700, you wrote:
One of things I always notice when I view a (physical) model railroad
is it differs from a simulated railroad (PC simulator).
If there's one thing more irksome than using someone's idea of a nonstandard coupler height, or somebody else's Chinese puzzle assembly, or somebody else's DCC-quirk-of-the-week, or somebody else's paint formula of the week, or somebody else's ridiculous packaging of the week, it's using somebody else's computer program.

Of all the aspects of the hobby, playing trains on a computer falls somewhere between track cleaning and stepping on Kadee couplers in bare feet in terms of what I'd rather do.

Andy


Re: Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

Dave Nelson
 

You needed be so disparaging as both approaches have merit.

 

As for building resin cars… I still do that too.

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Clark Propst’s M&StL in video

 

I also noticed a number of assembled resin freight cars

You can play your video games, I’ll build models  ;   ))

 

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

59921 - 59940 of 193389