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Yarmouth Intermountain tank car stirrups

ed_mines
 

This part is superb (original plastic part was nice until it broke off) and easy to use.


I cut the part from the fret with a high quality scissors and then trim with a single edge razor blade .


Gold star to a great guy.


Ed Mines


Re: canopy glue

Tony Thompson
 

ed_mines wrote:

 
Advice well taken Tony.

Do you let the glue dry to a tacky state like you're supposed to do with goo? Would take longer since canopy glue is water based.

What are group members opinions of Tichy & Kadee models of metal running boards.


       No, there is no reason to "wait," just glue it on. It is pretty tacky right away. It is NOT a contact cement. I feel that plastic representations of metal running boards suffer even more than do etched metal versions, in that the ratio of metal to air in the final running board is FAR too big. Look at any prototype photo and notice how lacy the board is. Back when Overland sold these parts separately, I believe theirs was the best out there. Luckily I still have a small stash. Plano is a close second and makes other kinds than Apex, too.

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canopy glue

ed_mines
 

Advice well taken Tony.


Do you let the glue dry to a tacky state like you're supposed to do with goo? Would take longer since canopy glue is water based.


What are group members opinions of Tichy & Kadee models of metal running boards.


Ed Mines


Re: etched roof walks on plastic cars

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Loctite make a super glue remover put drop on the spot where the roof walk is attached then lift the roof walk at that spot
the move one to the next fixed point. You do need to work fairly quickly as it soon resets, you are best starting at the point where the roof walk has lifted. Put the glue remover on the roof walk as you may have to touch up the paint. Use a blunt edge to lift the roof walk such as a narrow 6" rule. If you are not keen on doing it that way, half an hour or so in the freezer will break most super glues.
Another idea is attach the portion of roof walk that has lifted with canopy glue and put a heavy weight on the full length of the roof walk  this method works well for me. Hope this helps.
Paul Doggett UK




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"Andy Harman gsgondola@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

A slightly different question... How do you remove a roofwalk that is humped or partially dislodged without kinking it?  They are often quite secure in other places and if they are glued with some type of CA, the bond has to be twisted or lifted to break it.  I have probably a dozen or more RTR cars with this problem and so far haven't been comfortable attacking it.  I know acetone will dissolve CA, but would also attack the paint and possibly the plastic depending on the formula.


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On May 1, 2015, at 6:38 PM, "Phillip Blancher pblancher@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

I used Canopy Glue to reglue the running boards on the BLI New York Central boxes, and for Plano running boards on Intermountain and Branchline cars. It also works great for adhering Kadee's delrin running boards on plastic box cars too.


--
Phillip Blancher
Modeling the Rutland in 1957
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

ed_mines wrote:

 
I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?

I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


    As always, I emphasize that the adhesive MUST be flexible, or eventually thermal expansion and contraction will break the joint. That's why I use canopy glue for this kind of job, have done for over 25 years, and have NEVER had any failure with a running board (Ed, note term) or diesel grille. If you're interested, here's a commentary on this glue:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

Charles Peck
 

Perhaps I have misread Marks comment. But if not, what "toy train cars" come with bleed rods?
Chuck Peck

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:29 PM, mvlandsw@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I agree that they are both very nice cars, and I don't think that any models have come with bleed rods. However we should not have to buy parts that are usually included even on toy train cars to complete the detail on high end models.
Mark Vinski



Re: Tangent Missing Retainer Valves

Mark Vinski
 

I agree that they are both very nice cars, and I don't think that any models have come with bleed rods. However we should not have to buy parts that are usually included even on toy train cars to complete the detail on high end models.
Mark Vinski


Re: etched roof walks on plastic cars

Andy Harman
 

A slightly different question... How do you remove a roofwalk that is humped or partially dislodged without kinking it?  They are often quite secure in other places and if they are glued with some type of CA, the bond has to be twisted or lifted to break it.  I have probably a dozen or more RTR cars with this problem and so far haven't been comfortable attacking it.  I know acetone will dissolve CA, but would also attack the paint and possibly the plastic depending on the formula.


Sent from my overpriced graham cracker

On May 1, 2015, at 6:38 PM, "Phillip Blancher pblancher@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

I used Canopy Glue to reglue the running boards on the BLI New York Central boxes, and for Plano running boards on Intermountain and Branchline cars. It also works great for adhering Kadee's delrin running boards on plastic box cars too.


--
Phillip Blancher
Modeling the Rutland in 1957
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

ed_mines wrote:

 
I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?

I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


    As always, I emphasize that the adhesive MUST be flexible, or eventually thermal expansion and contraction will break the joint. That's why I use canopy glue for this kind of job, have done for over 25 years, and have NEVER had any failure with a running board (Ed, note term) or diesel grille. If you're interested, here's a commentary on this glue:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: etched roof walks on plastic cars

Andy Harman
 

While setting out some of my Wabash box cars at Marion, when I picked up one car it snagged the edge of the other car's roofwalk and it just came undone all at once.  Which was a good thing because it didn't cause any kinks, so it should be easily repaired.

I have been using Barge cement (yellow label) the past several years for any kind of long etched part, thinned with MEK.  It works well and I have no issues with thermal expansion/contraction but as I just found out, the bond seems to get brittle over time and is easily broken.

I might even be able to brush some MEK onto the supports and there may be enough cement there to soften up and hold it.  I should do that while it's on my mind, otherwise I'll be unpacking it at Cocoa Beach still broken.

I also bought a lifetime supply of Barge yellow label on line for about the price of Tony's SP freight car book.  Did the same with methyline chloride (aka Tenax) when the supply chain went dry a couple years ago.

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On May 1, 2015, at 6:23 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

ed_mines wrote:

 
I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?

I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


    As always, I emphasize that the adhesive MUST be flexible, or eventually thermal expansion and contraction will break the joint. That's why I use canopy glue for this kind of job, have done for over 25 years, and have NEVER had any failure with a running board (Ed, note term) or diesel grille. If you're interested, here's a commentary on this glue:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: The Passing of Joe Collias, April 30, 2015

asychis@...
 

Ed ,
 
Thanks for passing this along.  It is a sad day for all of us who called Joe our friend.  I will truly miss him.  I had know him since around 1980 when I met him at the first Missouri Pacific Historical Society meeting in St. Louis. My home layout, based on the Missouri Pacific's Southern Illinois coal fields, exists because of his articles in The Eagle. I have a lot of written correspondence from him about my plans and his recollections of the area in the mid-1950s.  I will not be able to get to St. Louis for his life's celebration, but please give Marjorie my best.
 
Jerry Michels 


speaking of tank cars . . .

Tony Thompson
 

Since tank cars have been in our recent threads, I thought I would mention my blog post of today, about kitbashing an Athearn "chemical" tank car to serve as an LPG car -- it's about the right size tank. This is a project Richard Hendrickson and I discussed several times,including how we might go about it, and I wanted to report on how far I am right now. If you're interested, it's at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/05/kitbashing-anchor-lpg-tank-car.html

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Re: etched roof walks on plastic cars

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

I used Canopy Glue to reglue the running boards on the BLI New York Central boxes, and for Plano running boards on Intermountain and Branchline cars. It also works great for adhering Kadee's delrin running boards on plastic box cars too.


--
Phillip Blancher
Modeling the Rutland in 1957

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

ed_mines wrote:

 
I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?

I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


    As always, I emphasize that the adhesive MUST be flexible, or eventually thermal expansion and contraction will break the joint. That's why I use canopy glue for this kind of job, have done for over 25 years, and have NEVER had any failure with a running board (Ed, note term) or diesel grille. If you're interested, here's a commentary on this glue:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: etched roof walks on plastic cars

Tony Thompson
 

ed_mines wrote:

 
I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?

I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


    As always, I emphasize that the adhesive MUST be flexible, or eventually thermal expansion and contraction will break the joint. That's why I use canopy glue for this kind of job, have done for over 25 years, and have NEVER had any failure with a running board (Ed, note term) or diesel grille. If you're interested, here's a commentary on this glue:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Tangent Scale Models
 

Jim,

As stated in the BLI online catalog, the 6,000 gallon car they will offer is a "chlorine" service car.  This means it is a pressurized (and insulated) tank car.  You state you are looking for a crude oil tank for the 40s/50s. Most oils were hauled in non-pressurized tank cars of ICC-103 specification in your era.  

At this point your best bet for models are the Walthers Proto ACF Type 21 or the Intermountain ACF Type 27 tank cars, both of which are available in either 8,000 or 10,000 gallon capacities.  Additionally, Sunshine Models offered GATC "Type 17" and "Type 30" and several flavors of UTLX X-3 tank cars as well, all of which would be oil service cars.  

Best wishes,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models



etched roof walks on plastic cars

ed_mines
 

I've noticed roof walks "humping up" on higher priced RTR house cars being sold on e bay. Has anyone had this happen at home?


I bought a 3M contact adhesive between 2 sheets of release paper. You would peel off one paper, burnish the adhesive onto one of the items being glued and then peel away the second paper. This was ideal for etched roof walks but the adhesive smelled so irritating that I tossed all I had. Is there something similar without the smell?


RIP Joe Collias.


Ed Mines


Re: New parts from Yarmouth Model Works

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Well done, Pierre and (my personal opinion) well-priced!

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA


Re: The Passing of Joe Collias, April 30, 2015

 

Joe helped me on several projects.  Always willing and friendly.  He’ll be missed. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The Passing of Joe Collias, April 30, 2015
 
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:

 

I have sad news to report after hearing from Joe's wife Marjorie that Joe Collias passed away on April 30, 2015, after a brief stay in the hospital.

 
     I'm really sorry to hear this, Ed. Joe was a very nice guy and generous with his photos. I for one will certainly miss him.
 
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history
 




Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Charles Hladik
 

Jim,
    Virginia Chemical had a plant in the West Norfolk section of Portsmouth, Virginia, it later became BASF and I don't know what they made. There were VC tank cars there.
Chuck Hladik
Modeling the Rutland but still want a Virginia Chemical car
 

In a message dated 5/1/2015 10:46:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Hi,

Am I the only one who can't find any list of the reporting marks that
will be offered for this car? Is it "Hooker Only"?

I'm not very good at identifying the service based upon the fittings
on the dome. Can someone help out with that for this car?

I'm actually looking/searching for models that are appropriate for
crude oil service in the late 40's to early 50's. I think that means
that they would normally be "X" cars and without any "logos" on
them (i.e. all black cars with just lettering).
It's easy to find tanks that are lettered for some oil company or
other - we all seem to relate to ("lean towards?") cars lettered
for the service stations we saw as kids (or see in pics). Those cars
are "after the products have been refined" ... at least that's what
I've been told ... It's also easy to find cars that are "trade marked"
with color schemes. Both of those are fine - they just don't fit
the service that I need to pick up some cars for (a small oil
field that still ships without a pipe line).

If I have it right the BLI models are actually "for" cars that are
in chemical service (or the supply of plants for the same).
- Jim


Re: The Passing of Joe Collias, April 30, 2015

gn999gn
 

Indeed,  this is a sad moment.  Joe is one of the staples in this genre.

He always went the extra mile for me whenever I requested photos

and even located pics from other sources.  Conversations with him

were equally productive.    I even admired his fine handwriting on the

back of his photos. :-)     I will miss him.

Needless to say,  he is yet another that we have lost during the past two years.

Joe -  we thank you for your contributions.


Ron dePierre


Re: Broadway ltd announces 6,000 gallon ACF type 27 tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

Am I the only one who can't find any list of the reporting marks that will be offered for this car? Is it "Hooker Only"?


     You are right, Jim, the BLI announcement doesn't give reporting marks, only car owners (or lessors). But remember it is pretty quick to consult an ORER issue and look up those owners, if you want to know the initials. If you don't have an ORER, let me know, and I will look up for you any one you are interested in.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: The Passing of Joe Collias, April 30, 2015

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:

 

I have sad news to report after hearing from Joe's wife Marjorie that Joe Collias passed away on April 30, 2015, after a brief stay in the hospital.


     I'm really sorry to hear this, Ed. Joe was a very nice guy and generous with his photos. I for one will certainly miss him.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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