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Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

Looking at the door tracks of the SAL car, it appears that the doors can overlap in the opened position, so the full opening would be accessible.

 

Apols if this has aleady been pointed out, I’m playing catch-up after some holiday time spent chasing trains in Germany!

 

 

 

And just to re-stir the modelling blades thread, I used to be a X-acto guy until a UK model railway show some 10 years back where I was demo-ing and had forgotten to pack my cutting mat. Purchase of a new one from one of the traders came with a free Swann-Morton scalpel handle and S-M #11 blade. Took to it immediately. I found it offered me greater control and the blade was much better than any of the X-acto hobby blades I’d tried prior.

 

Since then I’ve been primarily Swann-Morton guy – good variety of blade styles and sizes (including a good chisel) and I buy my blades in bulk, so they cost pence per blade. I have a couple of #3 handles set up for #6, #9 and #10A blades as routine, but also make use of #14, #15 and #40 blades, along with some etched stainless steel saw blades from the Airwaves range.

 

I have retained a X-acto ~5 handle and blades for heavy duty stuff, but the S-M scalpels are great for everything else.

 

Cheers!

________________________________________

Alan Monk

London. UK

 

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Re: small tungsten weights

Scott H. Haycock
 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

Scott Haycock



Re: small tungsten weights

Fred_Swa@...
 


Re: AAR Std 2 bay hopper question

Charles Tapper
 

I looked through everything I had and concluded that the car I had will get my freelanced mill roads reporting marks. I never found a car with that combo. And I have the C&O hopper book (at home in Tulsa).

Sitting tight and listening to the seemingly endless tornado and flood alarms in OKC.

I will double check my resources and if in error I will recant.

Charlie Tapper


On May 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, "b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Bruce Smith asked:
"I had purchased an Atlas AAR std hopper with radial ends to convert to an AAR alt std Montour hopper using the Sunshine minikit.  Now that I have that car care of IM, I'm trying to figure out what to do with the original hopper."
 
Al Kresse replied:
"The C&O 132500, 133500, and 133900 series twin, offset side hops blt 1937-1940 had radial ends with vertical braces."
 
Bruce replied:
"I can't find any photos of those series in RP Cyc articles, but cars of similar design (AMC Std) have side stake arrangements that appear more similar to that of the AAR alternate standard hopper design. Do you know the side stake pattern on these cars?  The goal here is, of course, to use this Atlas hopper model without having to carve it to pieces or use the Sunshine minikit.  If I wanted an arrangement like the alt std, I'd start with the IM car ;) "
 
I share Bruce's skepticism.  I have the series that Al Kresse quoted as AAR alternate standard design cars, based on information from his book on C&O Hopper Cars.  I suspect the Atlas car in question to be bogus, and the best use of it would be to use it as a base for the Sunshine minkit, or saving yourself the trouble and selling both and using the proceeds to buy the Intermountain model.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

David
 

Earliest examples of the Viking Corrugated Roof that I know of were built in 1934, and I've seen drawings of it dated 1933. The Climax Radial Roof dates back to at least 1924, and I would suppose the Viking All-Steel Roof was of similar vintage.

David Thompson


Re: small tungsten weights

Allen Rueter
 

I see there is also tungsten shot , and foil,

Allen Rueter


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Cube, putty, and flat tungsten weights can be found at Walmart and on eBay with cheaper shipping. Do a google search, avoid fishing related products, and you'll find lots of options with reasonable shipping.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 6, 2015, at 2:49 PM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Andy – Thanks.  I just purchased 18 oz. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Let us try this again.......

A company which specializes in pinewood derby racing cars, Maximum Velocity, has a sale currently for Tungsten weights. Tungsten, though expensive, is very dense (almost twice the density of Lead and similar to uranium and Gold). It is really useful in locomotives and open freight cars, such as flats and gondolas.

This firm is running special prices. Available at <www.maximumvelocity.com/inventory.htm>

You can get an extra discount, beyond the clearance discount, by typing in "SPRING15SALE" in the appropriate box.

I have purchased many weights in different sizes and shapes. I got quick shipping, so I can recommend this firm to viewers of this list.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Carl Gustafson
 

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 02:10:55AM -0400, Andy Harman gsgondola@gp30.com [STMFC] wrote:
Is tungsten malleable like lead, gold etc? I've never worked with it. I
Tungsten is a very hard, very difficult to work metal. It also has an extremely high melting point, so
you won't be melting and casting it at home, either.

On the plus side, as was mentioned in an earlier post, it's about twice the density of lead.

The 1/8 ounce disks this outfit is selling are 3/8" diameter, and 1/8" thick, so you could easily slip
them into lots of little spaces. Just expensive, however.

Carl Gustafson


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Andy Harman
 

That's a strange restriction.  Usually the more you buy the cheaper it gets.  Or at least stats the same.  It it precious enough that 18 ounces is considered too much for one person to possess?

Maybe I should be moving my IRA into
Tungsten futures.

Sent from my overpriced graham cracker

On May 6, 2015, at 3:59 PM, "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

On 5/6/2015 11:49 AM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield

    Interesting that the site doesn't say that.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/6/2015 11:49 AM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield

    Interesting that the site doesn't say that.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: AAR Std 2 bay hopper question

Ed Hawkins
 


On May 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I share Bruce's skepticism.  I have the series that Al Kresse quoted as AAR alternate standard design cars, based on information from his book on C&O Hopper Cars.  I suspect the Atlas car in question to be bogus, and the best use of it would be to use it as a base for the Sunshine minkit, or saving yourself the trouble and selling both and using the proceeds to buy the Intermountain model.
 
Bruce, Al, Ben, & others interested,
I have not found evidence of any AAR design 50-ton offset-side hoppers having radial (arched) end extensions. 

Other than cars with flat-top ends, end extensions on these AAR 50-ton cars were limited to angular (symmetrical side to side) or post-1942 “notched” angular (asymmetrical side to side). The latter had the area above the end ladder cut short for better access from the end. 

The radial (arched) end extensions were applied to many of A.M.C. design 50-ton covered hoppers as have been discussed and illustrated in various RP CYC volume numbers including Volume 25. 

The updated rosters in Volume 25 provide columns for defining the type of end posts and end extensions (or flat-top). 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

genegreen1942@...
 

Ed,
Best I can do for you is a scan of Chicago-Cleveland ad in June 21, 1930 Railway Age.  If you feel that would be of any help please email me off list at genegreen at yahoo dot com.
Gene Green


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

 

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Andy – Thanks.  I just purchased 18 oz. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Let us try this again.......

A company which specializes in pinewood derby racing cars, Maximum Velocity, has a sale currently for Tungsten weights. Tungsten, though expensive, is very dense (almost twice the density of Lead and similar to uranium and Gold). It is really useful in locomotives and open freight cars, such as flats and gondolas.

This firm is running special prices. Available at <www.maximumvelocity.com/inventory.htm>

You can get an extra discount, beyond the clearance discount, by typing in "SPRING15SALE" in the appropriate box.

I have purchased many weights in different sizes and shapes. I got quick shipping, so I can recommend this firm to viewers of this list.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

 

Andy – Thanks.  I just purchased 18 oz. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Let us try this again.......

A company which specializes in pinewood derby racing cars, Maximum Velocity, has a sale currently for Tungsten weights. Tungsten, though expensive, is very dense (almost twice the density of Lead and similar to uranium and Gold). It is really useful in locomotives and open freight cars, such as flats and gondolas.

This firm is running special prices. Available at <www.maximumvelocity.com/inventory.htm>

You can get an extra discount, beyond the clearance discount, by typing in "SPRING15SALE" in the appropriate box.

I have purchased many weights in different sizes and shapes. I got quick shipping, so I can recommend this firm to viewers of this list.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Thanks, Brian!

Elden Gatwood

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Elden

Use Stan R's replacement roof made for this car.


Brian J. Carlson
On May 6, 2015, at 1:35 PM, 'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





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Group;

Do we know what years matched what style? I have a goal of eventually modeling an ex-NKP, now P&WV double door box with Viking roof, and would love to know which was the proper style.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


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Ed,



Be aware that Viking roof’s changed over the years, see the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/mec5044main.html for the early roof, and the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/dh17348main.html for a later roof. I don’t have a good prototype photo off the top of my head, but I know I’ve seen one for the later style.



Don Burn





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Subject: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof








Can someone point me to a good picture of these?



C&NW used them on stock cars and single sheathed box cars that had USRA-like sides and 2 panel Murphy ends.



The description above came from a Chicago-Cleveland ad in the 1937(?) CBC.



From the drawing the roof looks like a Hutcheons roof with 2 creases on each panel.



Ed Mines








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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

Brian Carlson
 

Elden

Use Stan R's replacement roof made for this car. 

Brian J. Carlson

On May 6, 2015, at 1:35 PM, 'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Group;

Do we know what years matched what style? I have a goal of eventually modeling an ex-NKP, now P&WV double door box with Viking roof, and would love to know which was the proper style.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof



Ed,



Be aware that Viking roof’s changed over the years, see the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/mec5044main.html for the early roof, and the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/dh17348main.html for a later roof. I don’t have a good prototype photo off the top of my head, but I know I’ve seen one for the later style.



Don Burn





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof








Can someone point me to a good picture of these?



C&NW used them on stock cars and single sheathed box cars that had USRA-like sides and 2 panel Murphy ends.



The description above came from a Chicago-Cleveland ad in the 1937(?) CBC.



From the drawing the roof looks like a Hutcheons roof with 2 creases on each panel.



Ed Mines








Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Group;

Do we know what years matched what style? I have a goal of eventually modeling an ex-NKP, now P&WV double door box with Viking roof, and would love to know which was the proper style.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof



Ed,



Be aware that Viking roof’s changed over the years, see the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/mec5044main.html for the early roof, and the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/dh17348main.html for a later roof. I don’t have a good prototype photo off the top of my head, but I know I’ve seen one for the later style.



Don Burn





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:10 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof








Can someone point me to a good picture of these?



C&NW used them on stock cars and single sheathed box cars that had USRA-like sides and 2 panel Murphy ends.



The description above came from a Chicago-Cleveland ad in the 1937(?) CBC.



From the drawing the roof looks like a Hutcheons roof with 2 creases on each panel.



Ed Mines








Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Car builders' cyclopedia of American practice - years?

David
 

No, CBCs wouldn't have that level of detail. What you need are vendor or railroad drawings for the specific end (not the general arrangement drawing).

David Thompson


Re: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof

David
 

I posted some pics and drawings of an N&W application here:
Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.

 


David Thompson


Re: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof

Don Burn
 

Ed,

 

     Be aware that Viking roof’s changed over the years, see the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/mec5044main.html for the early roof,  and the model at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/dh17348main.html for a later roof.  I don’t have a good prototype photo off the top of my head, but I know I’ve seen one for the later style.

 

Don Burn

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof

 




Can someone point me to a good picture of these?

 

C&NW used them on stock cars and single sheathed box cars that had USRA-like sides and 2 panel Murphy ends.

 

The description above came from a Chicago-Cleveland ad in the 1937(?) CBC.

 

From the drawing the roof looks like a Hutcheons roof with 2 creases on each panel.

 

Ed Mines




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