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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jack Mullen
 

While I can't distinguish the lettering on the logo in the photo, it looks like a good match to this 1948 Glidden logo with QUALITY/PRODUCTS in the oval border (scroll down a bit on this page):

I trust they cleaned the tank car between hauling paint and food products. <G>

Jack Mullen

 




Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIF

mikefrommontanan
 

I blew up the image and noted "Durkee's Famous Foods" in the line below "Paints, Chemicals"

I typed the entire string (leading with Durkee's) into Google and it returned with a winner. At appears the car owner is the Glidden Corporation. A likely cargo would be soybean or other plant oils or chemicals derived thereof.

A short history, which may contain more clues would be here:
http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/glidden.php
Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

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Re: small tungsten weights

npin53
 

Alumilite sells tunsten powder in .5 lb cans for $20.  Not sure how this compares to the other sources.

Aaron Gjermundson

tungsten

 


Re: {Disarmed} Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Looks like it says:

PAINTS * CHEMICALS
DURKEE FAMOUS FOODS

I'm thinking that this might actually be a Glidden car since according to Wikipedia - 
  • Durkee is an American brand name for former Glidden Company foodstuffs division, originally founded by Eugene R. Durkee in 1857. It is now owned by Memphis, Tennessee-based ACH Food Companies.
The Glidden company history at http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/the-glidden-company-history/ seems to bear this out, since the company was in all three product lines around that time. 

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:53 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

SUVCWORR@...
 

Elden,

National Lead had a plant beside Heinz along River Road.  They manufactured Dutch Boy paint at that location.  This may have been set off for delivery to National Lead.  The car appears to be on the B&O line along the Allegheny River bank.

Rich Orr



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Subject: [STMFC] So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

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HJ
Heinz plant, flood of 1964, in front of vinegar processing plant...

Did they
use insulated 103's like this for things that went into vinegar production?
Heinz did, and still does, make malt vinegar, and white vinegar, to name
two.

I would love to hear what you think?

Elden
Gatwood




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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Charles Peck
 

Below the lettering of "paints   chemicals"  it says "durkee famous foods".  At one point Durkee
was part of Glidden  and Durkee was also a processor of soy beans.  Contents could have been
edible oils to Heinz or the car could have been at Heinz to receive some savory ingredient for 
one of the Durkee products.  Either way some of us eat a lot of stuff that could be called chemicals.
I would love to find a photo of one of the Durkee tank cars with the Durkees spelled out large on
the car side.  
And Durkees did have its own mark DFFX.
Chuck Peck in sunny Florida

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:53 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tim O'Connor
 

Perfectly ordinary 103's were used for vinegar transport, so why not
an insulated 103? I don't think very much can be gleaned from a blurry
photo of a more or less generic tank car other than the owner advertised
paints, chemicals and food products. If it really is a Dupont tank car
as some one said, maybe it is used to transport acetic acid which is
basically vinegar without the water component but is a weak acid and
doesn't require the same handling as hydrochloric or sulfuric acids.

Tim O'Connor

HJ Heinz plant, flood of 1964, in front of vinegar processing plant...

Did they use insulated 103's like this for things that went into vinegar production? Heinz did, and still does, make malt vinegar, and white vinegar, to name two.

I would love to hear what you think?

Elden Gatwood


Chicago-Cleveland roofs

ed_mines
 

Thanks to all who answered my question.


To see the climax roof Fallen flags->Erie->freight cars->box car->75863,76335


There was an article in Mainline Modeler about the later version of the Viking Roof written by me.


Des Plaines Hobbies offers an injection molded later Viking roof which fits the Intermountain box car.


Ed Mines


Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Douglas Harding
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


small tungsten weights

Andy Carlson <midcenturyandy@...>
 

Here is another suggestion about less expensive weights. While free tire weights are cheap, the density remains at around 9gms/cc (Nine times the density of water). Tungsten is over 16 which is why in certain circumstances it is desireable in spite of its much higher cost.

For people looking for a cheap, very dense alternative; I have a suggestion....
Find a tool sharpening shop and ask for broken pieces of Tungsten Carbide. TC is the work horse of machine shops for a cutting material as it is approaching diamonds for its hardness. It is very brittle, and the hardness precludes any sawing, machining or forming; but the brittleness property is usefull for my purposes. Shatter a bunch of the TC and use the pieces to fill in the areas you wish to weigh.  The specific density is less than pure Tungsten, but at 14g/cc it is still WAY heavier than lead. I made a slurry of molten lead with lots of broken fine chips of TC to fill a brass N scale Jawn Henry locomotive body decades ago. That N scale loco weighed one and a half pounds. The lead helped, but the TC was the material which tested the strength of the bridges the engine traversed!

-Andy


Re: small tungsten weights

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, that stuff looks very promising! It's too bad they feel that
they have to gouge you on shipping however -- charging 100% over the
USPS medium flat rate. And considering the density of tungsten, I do
suspect that 9 lbs would fit easily into the small flat rate box -- $6
anywhere in the USA.

Anyone want to split an order 4 ways? (Reply ** OFF LIST **)

Here's a crazy idea -- I wonder if that 325 mesh stuff could be used
in a grit spray gun??

Tim O'Connor



Re: small tungsten weights

Douglas Harding
 

Eric, try your tire dealer. I ordered my via the local Goodyear Store. They just put them on the next truck coming from the warehouse, so I didn’t have to pay shipping charges. Had to a wait a week or two, but well worth it. Got a box of ½ oz and a box of ¼ oz stick on weights. Enough to weigh an entire fleet of cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: small tungsten weights

 

My problem is hiding weights in a subway car that has a complete interior.  Currently I can get my 50’ car up to 3.5 oz. with lead shot in the clerestory and in the void under the bench seats.  Of course the car is a bit top heavy.  With the density of tungsten I can get all the weight below the seats, solving the problem.  But this area is really cramped.  Those tiny tungsten rivets would have been perfect but not at list price.  I have 9 cars to weight. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights
 
 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.
 
Scott Haycock
 


Re: small tungsten weights

mwbauers
 

Seen a couple of days ago at the local Harbor Freight store and the regional NAPA car parts chain is known to sell it in a good sized box that would be a modelers lifetime supply. $23 for a box of them. I can't find a weight but similar sources state a 10 pound box.


Mike Bauers


On May 7, 2015, at 8:27 AM, "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


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To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

 

Scott Haycock

 


Re: small tungsten weights

mwbauers
 

Guys,

Instead consider using tungsten powder.

It's about $25 for four oz from pro golf shops and $75 for a full pound from industrial sources.

Here's one link... 


I'll remind you that ten pounds of ingot lead will cost $10-$19 at full service hardware stores.

Ages ago I weighted down plastic HO Athearn classic passenger cars by filling the open top equipment void of the floor casting with lead pellets secured with a pouring of ordinary white glue. It holds up even today, done in the early '70's.

I might use lead shot or tungsten powder in the same location today.

 You don't need solid pellet tungsten for weight, powder and glue or other hardening binder will work just fine.

Same with lead......

The tungsten electrodes look interesting, but they may be tungsten coated on a reactive rod suitable for the welding process and thus lighter than the same volume of lead.

Mike Bauers


On May 7, 2015, at 3:23 AM, "'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

Scott Haycock



Re: small tungsten weights

John F. Cizmar
 

Try Summit or Jegs; both are online.
John Cizmar 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:27 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 
A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:23 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights
 
Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.
 
Scott Haycock
 



Re: small tungsten weights

Eric Hansmann
 

A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:23 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

 

Scott Haycock

 


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

Looking at the door tracks of the SAL car, it appears that the doors can overlap in the opened position, so the full opening would be accessible.

 

Apols if this has aleady been pointed out, I’m playing catch-up after some holiday time spent chasing trains in Germany!

 

 

 

And just to re-stir the modelling blades thread, I used to be a X-acto guy until a UK model railway show some 10 years back where I was demo-ing and had forgotten to pack my cutting mat. Purchase of a new one from one of the traders came with a free Swann-Morton scalpel handle and S-M #11 blade. Took to it immediately. I found it offered me greater control and the blade was much better than any of the X-acto hobby blades I’d tried prior.

 

Since then I’ve been primarily Swann-Morton guy – good variety of blade styles and sizes (including a good chisel) and I buy my blades in bulk, so they cost pence per blade. I have a couple of #3 handles set up for #6, #9 and #10A blades as routine, but also make use of #14, #15 and #40 blades, along with some etched stainless steel saw blades from the Airwaves range.

 

I have retained a X-acto ~5 handle and blades for heavy duty stuff, but the S-M scalpels are great for everything else.

 

Cheers!

________________________________________

Alan Monk

London. UK

 

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Re: small tungsten weights

Scott H. Haycock
 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

Scott Haycock


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