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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Douglas Harding
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


small tungsten weights

Andy Carlson <midcenturyandy@...>
 

Here is another suggestion about less expensive weights. While free tire weights are cheap, the density remains at around 9gms/cc (Nine times the density of water). Tungsten is over 16 which is why in certain circumstances it is desireable in spite of its much higher cost.

For people looking for a cheap, very dense alternative; I have a suggestion....
Find a tool sharpening shop and ask for broken pieces of Tungsten Carbide. TC is the work horse of machine shops for a cutting material as it is approaching diamonds for its hardness. It is very brittle, and the hardness precludes any sawing, machining or forming; but the brittleness property is usefull for my purposes. Shatter a bunch of the TC and use the pieces to fill in the areas you wish to weigh.  The specific density is less than pure Tungsten, but at 14g/cc it is still WAY heavier than lead. I made a slurry of molten lead with lots of broken fine chips of TC to fill a brass N scale Jawn Henry locomotive body decades ago. That N scale loco weighed one and a half pounds. The lead helped, but the TC was the material which tested the strength of the bridges the engine traversed!

-Andy


Re: small tungsten weights

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, that stuff looks very promising! It's too bad they feel that
they have to gouge you on shipping however -- charging 100% over the
USPS medium flat rate. And considering the density of tungsten, I do
suspect that 9 lbs would fit easily into the small flat rate box -- $6
anywhere in the USA.

Anyone want to split an order 4 ways? (Reply ** OFF LIST **)

Here's a crazy idea -- I wonder if that 325 mesh stuff could be used
in a grit spray gun??

Tim O'Connor



Re: small tungsten weights

Douglas Harding
 

Eric, try your tire dealer. I ordered my via the local Goodyear Store. They just put them on the next truck coming from the warehouse, so I didn’t have to pay shipping charges. Had to a wait a week or two, but well worth it. Got a box of ½ oz and a box of ¼ oz stick on weights. Enough to weigh an entire fleet of cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: small tungsten weights

 

My problem is hiding weights in a subway car that has a complete interior.  Currently I can get my 50’ car up to 3.5 oz. with lead shot in the clerestory and in the void under the bench seats.  Of course the car is a bit top heavy.  With the density of tungsten I can get all the weight below the seats, solving the problem.  But this area is really cramped.  Those tiny tungsten rivets would have been perfect but not at list price.  I have 9 cars to weight. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights
 
 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.
 
Scott Haycock
 


Re: small tungsten weights

mwbauers
 

Seen a couple of days ago at the local Harbor Freight store and the regional NAPA car parts chain is known to sell it in a good sized box that would be a modelers lifetime supply. $23 for a box of them. I can't find a weight but similar sources state a 10 pound box.


Mike Bauers


On May 7, 2015, at 8:27 AM, "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:23 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

 

Scott Haycock

 


Re: small tungsten weights

mwbauers
 

Guys,

Instead consider using tungsten powder.

It's about $25 for four oz from pro golf shops and $75 for a full pound from industrial sources.

Here's one link... 


I'll remind you that ten pounds of ingot lead will cost $10-$19 at full service hardware stores.

Ages ago I weighted down plastic HO Athearn classic passenger cars by filling the open top equipment void of the floor casting with lead pellets secured with a pouring of ordinary white glue. It holds up even today, done in the early '70's.

I might use lead shot or tungsten powder in the same location today.

 You don't need solid pellet tungsten for weight, powder and glue or other hardening binder will work just fine.

Same with lead......

The tungsten electrodes look interesting, but they may be tungsten coated on a reactive rod suitable for the welding process and thus lighter than the same volume of lead.

Mike Bauers


On May 7, 2015, at 3:23 AM, "'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

Scott Haycock



Re: small tungsten weights

John F. Cizmar
 

Try Summit or Jegs; both are online.
John Cizmar 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:27 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 
A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:23 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights
 
Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.
 
Scott Haycock
 



Re: small tungsten weights

Eric Hansmann
 

A few months ago I went searching for stick-on weight at auto parts stores and came up empty handed after visiting eight stores. These are not as common as they once were.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:23 AM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] small tungsten weights

 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

 

Scott Haycock

 


Re: Boxcar With (Way) Off Center Doors

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

Looking at the door tracks of the SAL car, it appears that the doors can overlap in the opened position, so the full opening would be accessible.

 

Apols if this has aleady been pointed out, I’m playing catch-up after some holiday time spent chasing trains in Germany!

 

 

 

And just to re-stir the modelling blades thread, I used to be a X-acto guy until a UK model railway show some 10 years back where I was demo-ing and had forgotten to pack my cutting mat. Purchase of a new one from one of the traders came with a free Swann-Morton scalpel handle and S-M #11 blade. Took to it immediately. I found it offered me greater control and the blade was much better than any of the X-acto hobby blades I’d tried prior.

 

Since then I’ve been primarily Swann-Morton guy – good variety of blade styles and sizes (including a good chisel) and I buy my blades in bulk, so they cost pence per blade. I have a couple of #3 handles set up for #6, #9 and #10A blades as routine, but also make use of #14, #15 and #40 blades, along with some etched stainless steel saw blades from the Airwaves range.

 

I have retained a X-acto ~5 handle and blades for heavy duty stuff, but the S-M scalpels are great for everything else.

 

Cheers!

________________________________________

Alan Monk

London. UK

 

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Re: small tungsten weights

Scott H. Haycock
 

Maybe it's just me, but this subject seems to be way over-thought. I suspect you could walk into any tire store and buy enough wheel weights, for a few dollars, to would last quite a while for our use. A vise with a small anvil, a ball peen hammer, and a hack saw, should solve the modification of said weights for our hobby needs. After all, this list is populated primarily by model builders, not model buyers.

Scott Haycock



Re: small tungsten weights

Fred_Swa@...
 


Re: AAR Std 2 bay hopper question

Charles Tapper
 

I looked through everything I had and concluded that the car I had will get my freelanced mill roads reporting marks. I never found a car with that combo. And I have the C&O hopper book (at home in Tulsa).

Sitting tight and listening to the seemingly endless tornado and flood alarms in OKC.

I will double check my resources and if in error I will recant.

Charlie Tapper


On May 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, "b.hom@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Bruce Smith asked:
"I had purchased an Atlas AAR std hopper with radial ends to convert to an AAR alt std Montour hopper using the Sunshine minikit.  Now that I have that car care of IM, I'm trying to figure out what to do with the original hopper."
 
Al Kresse replied:
"The C&O 132500, 133500, and 133900 series twin, offset side hops blt 1937-1940 had radial ends with vertical braces."
 
Bruce replied:
"I can't find any photos of those series in RP Cyc articles, but cars of similar design (AMC Std) have side stake arrangements that appear more similar to that of the AAR alternate standard hopper design. Do you know the side stake pattern on these cars?  The goal here is, of course, to use this Atlas hopper model without having to carve it to pieces or use the Sunshine minikit.  If I wanted an arrangement like the alt std, I'd start with the IM car ;) "
 
I share Bruce's skepticism.  I have the series that Al Kresse quoted as AAR alternate standard design cars, based on information from his book on C&O Hopper Cars.  I suspect the Atlas car in question to be bogus, and the best use of it would be to use it as a base for the Sunshine minkit, or saving yourself the trouble and selling both and using the proceeds to buy the Intermountain model.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Chicago-Cleveland Viking All-Steel Car Roof (UNCLASSIFIED)

David
 

Earliest examples of the Viking Corrugated Roof that I know of were built in 1934, and I've seen drawings of it dated 1933. The Climax Radial Roof dates back to at least 1924, and I would suppose the Viking All-Steel Roof was of similar vintage.

David Thompson


Re: small tungsten weights

Allen Rueter
 

I see there is also tungsten shot , and foil,

Allen Rueter


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Cube, putty, and flat tungsten weights can be found at Walmart and on eBay with cheaper shipping. Do a google search, avoid fishing related products, and you'll find lots of options with reasonable shipping.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 6, 2015, at 2:49 PM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Andy – Thanks.  I just purchased 18 oz. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Source for small tungsten weights
 
 

Let us try this again.......

A company which specializes in pinewood derby racing cars, Maximum Velocity, has a sale currently for Tungsten weights. Tungsten, though expensive, is very dense (almost twice the density of Lead and similar to uranium and Gold). It is really useful in locomotives and open freight cars, such as flats and gondolas.

This firm is running special prices. Available at <www.maximumvelocity.com/inventory.htm>

You can get an extra discount, beyond the clearance discount, by typing in "SPRING15SALE" in the appropriate box.

I have purchased many weights in different sizes and shapes. I got quick shipping, so I can recommend this firm to viewers of this list.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Carl Gustafson
 

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 02:10:55AM -0400, Andy Harman gsgondola@... [STMFC] wrote:
Is tungsten malleable like lead, gold etc? I've never worked with it. I
Tungsten is a very hard, very difficult to work metal. It also has an extremely high melting point, so
you won't be melting and casting it at home, either.

On the plus side, as was mentioned in an earlier post, it's about twice the density of lead.

The 1/8 ounce disks this outfit is selling are 3/8" diameter, and 1/8" thick, so you could easily slip
them into lots of little spaces. Just expensive, however.

Carl Gustafson


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Andy Harman
 

That's a strange restriction.  Usually the more you buy the cheaper it gets.  Or at least stats the same.  It it precious enough that 18 ounces is considered too much for one person to possess?

Maybe I should be moving my IRA into
Tungsten futures.

Sent from my overpriced graham cracker

On May 6, 2015, at 3:59 PM, "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

On 5/6/2015 11:49 AM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield

    Interesting that the site doesn't say that.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Source for small tungsten weights

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/6/2015 11:49 AM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:

Just got a call from Maximum Velocity informing me that the maximum order at that price is 5 oz.  I cancelled my order. – Al Westerfield

    Interesting that the site doesn't say that.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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