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Re: Dreadnaught ends - shape of ends of ribs

destorzek@...
 




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Some ribs have more rounded cross sections; others more flat surfaces.  It can depend on the lighting in photos, but the effect is noticeable.
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Robert,

I think you are going to find there is no good answer. I suspect that the differences in rib termination is due to unintentional differences in the stamping dies that formed the ends... And I'm sure SRECo. had multiple sets of dies in production at any given time. Some were almost new; some almost worn beyond use, some repaired via building worn places up with weld and hand grinding to restore the contours.

Keep in mind that in a world without Computer Numerical Control, dies were built by shaping steel blocks by hand , or on manual machinery, and shape was controlled by matching the blocks to a template. How well they had to match that template would have been called out on the drawings for the dies, not that I've ever seen any.

Best you can do is model the part to the sections shown on the part drawings, then tweak the profile and fillet radii to get the desired visual effect.

Dennis Storzek


Dreadnaught ends - shape of ends of ribs

Robert kirkham
 

This is a further question following my enquiry earlier this week about the Car Builder’s Cycs for the 1930s.  I’m working on 3d drawings of various dreadnaught ends – with a focus (for now) on the nominal “square” corner ends.  Thanks to several folks on this list, I’ve received some useful references and other assistance.  I was also able to get a poor quality mechanical drawing for a CC&F end that was helpful.   Several drawings on the N&W Historical Society web page are very helpful, but not all are available in thumbnails at this date.   https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/   In particular, the mechanical drawings contain the additional detail information required for modelling (that information is absent from the general arrangement drawings).
 
As I look at photos of various cars, it becomes clear to me there is a lot of variety within the mid 30s to mid 40s era of designs, let alone the later and earlier eras.   For this e-mail I’m especially focused on rib and dart shapes.    
 
Some ribs have more rounded cross sections; others more flat surfaces.  It can depend on the lighting in photos, but the effect is noticeable.
 
Focusing on how the outer ends of the ribs and darts terminate into the flat surface of the end panels is also interesting (at least, to me).  Note the photos that are referenced to show rib ends below were not chosen based on date of the end panel design.  I don’t have that information for those cars.  
 
Some flow into a nicely rounded end shape that might conform (very approximately) to a partially buried softball (I’m not being fussy about the dimensions for this description): 
 
Others flatten out to a somewhat rounded triangular shape:
http://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Sep-Ogden/i-4ZKmn9Q/O   (DL&W 46982.  Note that the triangular shape is most observable on the lower panel in this photo; the upper panel is less clear.) 
 
Others terminate in no particularly consistent shape:
 
The modelling challenge becomes a little more clear when looking at the photos: either the stamped steel ends were not consistent as manufactured, or did change over time with damage and other stresses.  Damage and other stresses is my preferred theory, but I have not looked at a lot of builders photos to work through that carefully.
 
[For this e-mail, I am ignoring the ends where the ribs and darts are more inward than outward:
 
This is probably all “old hat” to some of you, but having not been down this path in detail before, I thought I’d ask if there are any particularly detailed reference works for this topic. 
 
Rob Kirkham


second Kadee PS-1 8' door 50 foot car

Tim O'Connor
 

Santa Fe Bx-74 -- series 12500-12699 built 1957
http://www.kadee.com/month/future/6376l.jpg

This is the second 8' door 50 foot PS-1 from Kadee -- and it
has a different side sill than that previously announced MP car
( http://www.kadee.com/month/6375lw.jpg )

Tim O'Connor


WESTERFIELD MODELS NATIONAL TRAIN DAY SALE

dahminator68
 

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DA email contact

Pierre Oliver
 

Gents,
I had it and now I can't find it.
Anybody have the email address for contacting Detail Associates?
Thanks

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www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Douglas Harding
 

Jack, thanks for the information. I was not familiar with the Glidden logo, and concur that is what is on the tankcar. I will add that to my knowledge pool.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: $12 off-Intermountain HO NP alt std AAR 2-bay hoppers 4 sale

John Larkin
 

Hi Andy,
    I'm just geting caught up on my emails after back surgery --  almost 1,000 when I got back to my computer.  Just by chance, are any of these cars left?

Thanks,

John Larkin



On Friday, May 1, 2015 10:55 AM, "Andy Carlson midcenturyandy@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 






Hello-

I have 12 Intermountain Northern Pacific HO 2-bayhoppers of the AAR alt std design. This is a fairly recent offering from Intermountain, and ranks as one of their best executed designs for freight cars.

Intermountain #47152, I have 2 each of 6 numbers. Cars are in as-delivered paint scheme of 1-40 build date. You can look at these cars on Intermountain's web site.

Retail at $40 each, I am selling my remaining cars for $28/each, plus shipping. There are a total of 6 different numbers. If you want all 6 numbers, I will try to accommodate you, though you should not delay too long.

I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee, I accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy




Re: Chicago-Cleveland roofs

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"There was an article in Mainline Modeler about the later version of the Viking Roof written by me."

Scott Haycock asked:
"Can you tell us which issue?"

November 1986.  Came right up when I did a search on "Ed Mines" at http://index.mrmag.com .


Ben Hom


Re: Chicago-Cleveland roofs

Scott H. Haycock
 


Ed Mines wrote:
 

"There was an article in Mainline Modeler about the later version of the Viking Roof written by me."

Can you tell us which issue?


Scott Haycock


Re: {Disarmed} Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Oh good - I wasn't able to find copy of the old logo. Your Google Fu must be very strong (or you knew that site existed already). 

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:19 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

While I can't distinguish the lettering on the logo in the photo, it looks like a good match to this 1948 Glidden logo with QUALITY/PRODUCTS in the oval border (scroll down a bit on this page):


I trust they cleaned the tank car between hauling paint and food products.

Jack Mullen

 



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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jack Mullen
 

While I can't distinguish the lettering on the logo in the photo, it looks like a good match to this 1948 Glidden logo with QUALITY/PRODUCTS in the oval border (scroll down a bit on this page):

I trust they cleaned the tank car between hauling paint and food products. <G>

Jack Mullen

 




Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIF

mikefrommontanan
 

I blew up the image and noted "Durkee's Famous Foods" in the line below "Paints, Chemicals"

I typed the entire string (leading with Durkee's) into Google and it returned with a winner. At appears the car owner is the Glidden Corporation. A likely cargo would be soybean or other plant oils or chemicals derived thereof.

A short history, which may contain more clues would be here:
http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/glidden.php
Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

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Re: small tungsten weights

npin53
 

Alumilite sells tunsten powder in .5 lb cans for $20.  Not sure how this compares to the other sources.

Aaron Gjermundson

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Re: {Disarmed} Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Looks like it says:

PAINTS * CHEMICALS
DURKEE FAMOUS FOODS

I'm thinking that this might actually be a Glidden car since according to Wikipedia - 
  • Durkee is an American brand name for former Glidden Company foodstuffs division, originally founded by Eugene R. Durkee in 1857. It is now owned by Memphis, Tennessee-based ACH Food Companies.
The Glidden company history at http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/the-glidden-company-history/ seems to bear this out, since the company was in all three product lines around that time. 

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:53 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

SUVCWORR@...
 

Elden,

National Lead had a plant beside Heinz along River Road.  They manufactured Dutch Boy paint at that location.  This may have been set off for delivery to National Lead.  The car appears to be on the B&O line along the Allegheny River bank.

Rich Orr



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Subject: [STMFC] So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

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Heinz plant, flood of 1964, in front of vinegar processing plant...

Did they
use insulated 103's like this for things that went into vinegar production?
Heinz did, and still does, make malt vinegar, and white vinegar, to name
two.

I would love to hear what you think?

Elden
Gatwood




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Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Charles Peck
 

Below the lettering of "paints   chemicals"  it says "durkee famous foods".  At one point Durkee
was part of Glidden  and Durkee was also a processor of soy beans.  Contents could have been
edible oils to Heinz or the car could have been at Heinz to receive some savory ingredient for 
one of the Durkee products.  Either way some of us eat a lot of stuff that could be called chemicals.
I would love to find a photo of one of the Durkee tank cars with the Durkees spelled out large on
the car side.  
And Durkees did have its own mark DFFX.
Chuck Peck in sunny Florida

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:53 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 



Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tim O'Connor
 

Perfectly ordinary 103's were used for vinegar transport, so why not
an insulated 103? I don't think very much can be gleaned from a blurry
photo of a more or less generic tank car other than the owner advertised
paints, chemicals and food products. If it really is a Dupont tank car
as some one said, maybe it is used to transport acetic acid which is
basically vinegar without the water component but is a weak acid and
doesn't require the same handling as hydrochloric or sulfuric acids.

Tim O'Connor

HJ Heinz plant, flood of 1964, in front of vinegar processing plant...

Did they use insulated 103's like this for things that went into vinegar production? Heinz did, and still does, make malt vinegar, and white vinegar, to name two.

I would love to hear what you think?

Elden Gatwood


Chicago-Cleveland roofs

ed_mines
 

Thanks to all who answered my question.


To see the climax roof Fallen flags->Erie->freight cars->box car->75863,76335


There was an article in Mainline Modeler about the later version of the Viking Roof written by me.


Des Plaines Hobbies offers an injection molded later Viking roof which fits the Intermountain box car.


Ed Mines


Re: So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Douglas Harding
 

Elden the car lettering says “paints - chemicals” and has what looks to be a Dupont logo on the left side. I seriously doubt that Heinz would be shipping vinegar in a chemical car. Perhaps the car was delivering a cleaning agent of some sort, or it had simply been off spotted.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


So, did we ever aagree on an answer on this tank car? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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