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Re: Sunshine Ins help

Pierre Oliver
 

Thanks Clark,
You're a big help.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 17/05/2015 11:52 AM, Clark Cooper csc@... [STMFC] wrote:

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Pierre,

I've got that one. I'll dig it out and scan them. If anybody else needs them, let me know.

-Clark Cooper
(The other Iowa Clark)

On May 17, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:

> Morning all,
> I have a Sunshine 18.1 Erie '37 AAR boxcar here lacking instructions and
> PDS.
> Can someone scan and email me a copy of both?
> Thanks
>
> --
> Pierre Oliver
> www.elgincarshops.com
> www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Re: New Member and some questions?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <jayrs9@...> wrote :

"...first car I am working with is the USRA 40/50 ton single sheathed box car.  I am primarily working from the very helpful specification article from the Vol 90, #4 Railway Mechanical Engineer.  But here is my first question.  The text and drawings both specify a 9" ship builder's channel for the front and back sills of the frame.  Yet when I look at all the prototype photos I can find of this car, they do not seem to have any front or back sill.  There is only a corner bracket that ties the side sills to the back that also has a poll pocket.  Were any cars actually built with the 9" back sill?  Or was this a change to the specifications?"

That is called an "end sill." It is one of the best known illustrations as to why one can't rely 100% on engineering drawings published with articles describing soon to be built cars. Changes are made between publication and production, and usually don't even rate a follow-up article. In the case of the USRA single sheathed car, those same drawings were published for another twenty years without correction. Photos are always the best source when there is question like this; photos show what was actually built.

"A second somewhat trivial questions has to do with the floor boards.  The bottom of the tongued and grooved floor was a flat surface, yet it sat on a frame that had many small bumps and rises (rivets, uneven heights of cover plates, etc.).  Were these variations simply ignored and the floor boards just attached to the frame or was there some sort of shimming done to keep everything flat."

Or the boards were notched for the rivets. Or both. You have to get pretty far down into the assembly level drawings before things like shims are called out. Sometimes it is possible to deduce things by inspection; if the tops of the side sills and floor stringers form a straight line that would clear the rivet heads, there is your answer. The only remaining question is whether a shim was used on the center sill cover plate to support the floor mid span. Close inspection of a sectional drawing that shows the flooring should answer that.

Keep in mind there are likely many more drawings of USRA cars preserved than have been published. Pullman built may of the USRA cars, and the Pullman drawing collection has been preserved at the Illinois Railway museum, along with parts of the Haskell & Barker and Standard Steel car drawings, both of which also built some USRA cars.

Here is contact info:
Illinois Railway Museum - Pullman Library

The curator's name is Ted Anderson.

Dennis Storzek




Re: Sunshine Ins help

Clark Cooper
 

Pierre,

I've got that one. I'll dig it out and scan them. If anybody else needs them, let me know.

-Clark Cooper
(The other Iowa Clark)

On May 17, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@elgincarshops.com [STMFC] wrote:

Morning all,
I have a Sunshine 18.1 Erie '37 AAR boxcar here lacking instructions and
PDS.
Can someone scan and email me a copy of both?
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Sunshine Ins help

Pierre Oliver
 

Morning all,
I have a Sunshine 18.1 Erie '37 AAR boxcar here lacking instructions and PDS.
Can someone scan and email me a copy of both?
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


New Member and some questions?

jayrs9
 

Hi all. 
Just joined your group and since this is my first post I thought some background was in order.  My particular area of is the USRA and the rolling stock that came out of their control of the railroads.  I'm not a scale modeler builder, but rather seek to preserve the USRA engines and rolling stock through the use of 3d technology.  I have started with a detailed model of a USRA Mikado engine and now want to turn to the USRA designed rolling stock. My web site is here (http://trainperson99.home.comcast.net/~trainperson99/).  This is relatively new interest for me, and although I am a avid researcher, I have no actual experience with real prototypes. As a result I have lots of "dumb" questions I'm hoping you guys can help me with.

The first car I am working with is the USRA 40/50 ton single sheathed box car.  I am primarily working from the very helpful specification article from the Vol 90, #4 Railway Mechanical Engineer.  But here is my first question.  The text and drawings both specify a 9" ship builder's channel for the front and back sills of the frame.  Yet when I look at all the prototype photos I can find of this car, they do not seem to have any front or back sill.  There is only a corner bracket that ties the side sills to the back that also has a poll pocket.  Were any cars actually built with the 9" back sill?  Or was this a change to the specifications?

A second somewhat trivial questions has to do with the floor boards.  The bottom of the tongued and grooved floor was a flat surface, yet it sat on a frame that had many small bumps and rises (rivets, uneven heights of cover plates, etc.).  Were these variations simply ignored and the floor boards just attached to the frame or was there some sort of shimming done to keep everything flat.

Lastly, I am looking for a copy of Patrick Wider's article on U.S.R.A  50-ton Single-sheathed Box cars from Volume 17 of the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia series.  It is sold out on their web site. 

Thanks for any help,

Jay Ruppel



Re: Microscale rivets ...

Chuck Cover
 

Oops…my mistake.  Yes they were Micromark.  Sorry. 

 

Chuck Cover 


Connecticut RPM tentative schedule posted (Let's try this again with a subject line!)

Dave Owens
 

Hello all:

The tentative schedule for NERPM in Collinsville, Conn. is now on our website.

http://neprototypemeet.com/NERPM%20Tenativeschedule%202015.pdf

One can also find registration information and photos of past meets.

I hope you'll consider joining us or attending any of the proto meets
that occur around the country through the year.

Thanks,
Dave Owens
West Hartford, Conn.

--
2015 New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet
May 29-30, 2015 (Always the weekend after Memorial Day)
Collinsville, Connecticut
www.neprototypemeet.com
www.facebook.com/NERPM


(No subject)

Dave Owens
 

Hello all:
The tentative schedule for NERPM in Collinsville, Conn. is now on our website.

http://neprototypemeet.com/NERPM%20Tenativeschedule%202015.pdf

One can also find registration information and photos of past meets.

I hope you'll consider joining us or attending any of the proto meets
that occur around the country through the year.

Thanks,
Dave Owens
West Hartford, Conn.

--
2015 New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet
May 29-30, 2015 (Always the weekend after Memorial Day)
Collinsville, Connecticut
www.neprototypemeet.com
www.facebook.com/NERPM


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Paul Hillman
 


My question about the rivets is because Archer's patterns don't fit what I'm trying to build, but MM & MS patterns seem to. Thus, if MM or MS are 3D then I could invest in them. My local hobby shops don't carry any of them.
 
Trying to build some bridge gusset-plates, and other unique stuff, for STMFC freight cars to roll through.
 
Paul Hillman
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Microscale rivets ...

 

Once the cat is out of the bag, the copycats come out of the woodwork.

I figure if the project is worth hand applying rivets, it's worth getting the good ones.  I have been using Archer successfully for several years now.  I don't see any reason to change. 

Sent from my overpriced graham cracker

On May 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Richard Brennan wrote:

Chuck - You used "MicroMark"... which are an Archer Surface Details clone.


      I would say more in the character of a cheap copy. If you look closely at the Micromark product, they are misshapen and hardly any two are the same. But of course from a distance they do make a row of little dots. If you care, Archer rivets are far more consistent and are better shaped.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Microscale rivets ...

Andy Harman
 

Once the cat is out of the bag, the copycats come out of the woodwork.

I figure if the project is worth hand applying rivets, it's worth getting the good ones.  I have been using Archer successfully for several years now.  I don't see any reason to change. 

Sent from my overpriced graham cracker

On May 16, 2015, at 8:12 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Richard Brennan wrote:

Chuck - You used "MicroMark"... which are an Archer Surface Details clone.


      I would say more in the character of a cheap copy. If you look closely at the Micromark product, they are misshapen and hardly any two are the same. But of course from a distance they do make a row of little dots. If you care, Archer rivets are far more consistent and are better shaped.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Microscale rivets ...

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Brennan wrote:

Chuck - You used "MicroMark"... which are an Archer Surface Details clone.


      I would say more in the character of a cheap copy. If you look closely at the Micromark product, they are misshapen and hardly any two are the same. But of course from a distance they do make a row of little dots. If you care, Archer rivets are far more consistent and are better shaped.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Microscale rivets ...

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 5/16/2015 10:59 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Paul

Yes the Micromark rivets are like Archer rivets. The question was whether anyone
knows about the Microscale rivet sheet, which may simply be flat decals.

I saw them in Caboose Hobbies the other day. Although they were in the usual Microscale envelopes, I ran my finger nail over them and they felt and looked embossed.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 07:15 AM 5/16/2015, 'Chuck Cover' chuck.cover@gmail.com [STMFC] wrote:
I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great. They are less expensive than the Archer. If you want to check out two projects to see the results: TKM #82 p16, Northumberland Water tower, and TKM #92 p21, 80F81a tender for BLI H10s.
Chuck - You used "MicroMark"... which are an Archer Surface Details clone.

The question was on the just-released MicroSCALE decals:
http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=87-1498


Flat or Raised?


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Microscale rivets ...

Mark Stamm
 

Tim 

You can get issue 92 from the Societies webpage. It is the most recent issue. 

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device

On May 16, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 


Chuck, the rivets you used on the water tower were MicroMARK -- not MicroSCALE.

I don't have the #92 issue.

Tim O'Connor

Tim ;and list,
>
>I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great. They are less expensive than the Archer. If you want to check out two projects to see the results: TKM #82 p16, Northumberland Water tower, and TKM #92 p21, 80F81a tender for BLI H10s.
>
>Chuck Cover
>Santa Fe, NM


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul

Yes the Micromark rivets are like Archer rivets. The question was whether anyone
knows about the Microscale rivet sheet, which may simply be flat decals.

Tim O'

Has it ever been answered if these other co.'s rivets are 3D like Archer, or 2D decals? I've read these many messages but don't recall that being answered.

Paul Hillman


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Paul Hillman
 

Has it ever been answered if these other co.'s rivets are 3D like Archer, or 2D decals? I've read these many messages but don't recall that being answered.
 
Paul Hillman
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Microscale rivets ...

 


Chuck, the rivets you used on the water tower were MicroMARK -- not MicroSCALE.

I don't have the #92 issue.

Tim O'Connor

Tim ;and list,
>
>I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great. They are less expensive than the Archer. If you want to check out two projects to see the results: TKM #82 p16, Northumberland Water tower, and TKM #92 p21, 80F81a tender for BLI H10s.
>
>Chuck Cover
>Santa Fe, NM


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck, the rivets you used on the water tower were MicroMARK -- not MicroSCALE.

I don't have the #92 issue.

Tim O'Connor





Tim ;and list,


I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great. They are less expensive than the Archer. If you want to check out two projects to see the results: TKM #82 p16, Northumberland Water tower, and TKM #92 p21, 80F81a tender for BLI H10s.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Tank car markings

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/16/2015 6:02 AM, caboose9792@... [STMFC] wrote:
Don't have the date offhand when they became mandatory on new construction.

    Because they didn't become mandatory!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Microscale rivets ...

mwbauers
 

Are they embossed or 'painted' ?

Mike Bauers


On May 16, 2015, at 9:15 AM, "'Chuck Cover' wrote:

 

Tim and list,

 

I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great.  


Re: Microscale rivets ...

Chuck Cover
 

Tim ;and list,

 

I have used the Microscale rivets on a number of projects and found them to be great.  They are less expensive than the Archer.  If you want to check out two projects to see the results:  TKM #82 p16, Northumberland Water tower, and TKM #92 p21, 80F81a tender for BLI H10s.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

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