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Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

 

Tony,
No, not a lapel pin. How about something for a vest, a patch maybe?  :~)


      Actually, Garth, I was referring to an actual badge which Arved Grass made up, and he and I distributed at Cocoa Beach this year. I showed a photo of it in my blog post about the meeting, which you might wish to view; it is at this link (scroll down to the bottom):


      It says in the blog that if you want one, contact Arved, but in fact they are all gone and there are no more.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tony,

No, not a lapel pin. How about something for a vest, a patch maybe?  :~)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/1/15 11:54 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Jim Betz wrote:

> Darn it guys!!!,
>
> I try and try to ignore the way my friends deride me for being a
> member of STMFC ...
>
> Me: "I saw something on steam freight car last night ...".
> Them: "You mean those rivet counters - are you -actually- a
> member of that group?".
> Me: "Yes, I am ... and they aren't all -that- bad."
>
> ... and then here we are with a thread that is not about how
> many rivets there are but even about rivet spacing ... *Sigh*

Jim, let me dig around and see if I still have a lapel badge to give you, containing Richard Hendrickson's remark, "Rivets Count."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Western Pacific 15001-16000 SS boxcar photos

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

The original series was 15001-16000, built by Pullman in 1916. Most of these cars were converted to stock cars, cabooses and MOW cars before WWII, and photos are rare. The largest clutch to survive in near-original condition were renumbered 26001-26125 in 1937 and 1942. These were assigned to plaster service out of  Gerlich, Nevada. Most had moveable bulkheads, which made no difference to their external appearance, and a very few received roof hatches as well. There are two color photos of these cars on page 19 of Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT. Black-and-white photos, one showing the roof hatches (tiny), can be found on pages 116 and 161 of John Ryczkowski's WESTERN PACIFIC PICTORIAL.

I just found you a color shot online at: http://www.wplives.com/archives/freight/boxcars/boxcars40/26118.html . The original general arrangement diagram is at: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1930/BC15001-16000.html . The car in plaster service is at: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1947/BC26001-26125.html . The diagram for the handful of unconverted cars left in general service can be seen at: http://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1947/BC8051-8055.html . It looks like the same drawing in all three cases, but it is probably the notes that you want anyway.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 6/1/15 11:36 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I am hoping some of western modelers here may have an in-service photo of the Western Pacific's 15001-16000 SS boxcar. (Might be 1501-1600 series instead) This is a relatively short in height car built in October 1916 with a straight U/F and Lumber Door.


Any help will be appreciated.

Bill Welch

 



Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading

Bill Welch
 

Could you please post photos Charlie?

Bill Welch


Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom's method sounds more like what I've done -- base color, then lighter and
darker shades of the same color, so that the model prior to decals & weathering
is not entirely the same color. Plus it saves time. But prime coat colors can
affect the top coats, so I can see how "preshading" would work. Paints like
Accupaint & TruColor are more transparent than enamels like Scalecoat and
Floquil and the various acrylic enamels.

Tim O'Connor

Would it help to spray the model with body color first, then do the shading, then a final, lighter coat of body color? That way when you spray the final coat you can pay attention to the degree of shading you're retaining rather than worrying about coverage.

Haven't tried it, just a thought...

Tom Madden


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Tom;

You brought up an interesting point.

I was dissatisfied with the way several of my models turned out, and went back and looked at photos to see what went wrong. I finally decided that, on certain cars, the paint weathered differently than other cars, and the lettering even more so.

This lead me to pre-weather, or pre-shade as you put it, some cars before the lettering or weathering went down. This is especially visible on welded side cars, where you can "shade" the panels, letting the white lettering go on later and not be affected by the discoloration of the basic body paint.

The most difficult P&L job I have ever seen, for a car that I want to do, is a PRR X29B in the earliest white/silver and red "Merchandise Service" scheme, taken by Paul Winters. I call it the "Challenge Car". It is an incredible mix of weathering of body color, and lettering, and a perfect example on why you sometimes have to initially weather before you do anything else...

Elden Gatwood

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Would it help to spray the model with body color first, then do the shading, then a final, lighter coat of body color? That way when you spray the final coat you can pay attention to the degree of shading you're retaining rather than worrying about coverage.




Haven't tried it, just a thought...




Tom Madden




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Re: Western Pacific 15001-16000 SS boxcar photos

Dave Nelson
 

Bill, I don’t have any myself (missed one off eBay the other day).

If you need reference photos for making a model take a close look at the WP “cabeese” that were converted from these boxcars.  Many were sold after the WP had no use for them and so there are many photos of these “cars” that will show you plenty of modeling detail.   There is one of these cars a couple of miles from my house… so they’re still out there to be viewed.  They won’t have the same ends of course, but a whole lot of each caboose remains original.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Western Pacific 15001-16000 SS boxcar photos

 




I am hoping some of western modelers here may have an in-service photo of the Western Pacific's 15001-16000 SS boxcar. (Might be 1501-1600 series instead) This is a relatively short in height car built in October 1916 with a straight U/F and Lumber Door.

 

Any help will be appreciated.

Bill Welch

 





Re: Andrews Cast side 50 ton trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Ray, a builder's photo of your 50-ton truck appears in Westerfield's DVD on American Car & Foundry Builder's Photos 1899-1928. It shows the cast-on lettering. Or you could buy a pair of my HO scale USRA trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading

Tom Madden
 

Would it help to spray the model with body color first, then do the shading, then a final, lighter coat of body color? That way when you spray the final coat you can pay attention to the degree of shading you're retaining rather than worrying about coverage.


Haven't tried it, just a thought...


Tom Madden


Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading

Curt Fortenberry
 


I recently tried the pre-shading technique on my rib side boxcar projects.  As was mentioned, the follow on colors need to be thinner or you'll cover it up.  I also came back with lighter color in between the ribs.  All gets very muted if you overdue the weathering.  But it can help with the shadows and work with the weathering.  

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Airbrushing Acrylics - preshading

Charlie Duckworth
 

I recently used pre-shading with black on a couple of SS boxcar models and liked the contrast when it was finished.  I shaded only the metal parts of the model with black and then airbrushed the carbody with the BCR.  The trick is not to overspray the carbody color too much or you loose the effect.

Charlie Duckworth   


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:

Darn it guys!!!,

I try and try to ignore the way my friends deride me for being a
member of STMFC ...

Me: "I saw something on steam freight car last night ...".
Them: "You mean those rivet counters - are you -actually- a
member of that group?".
Me: "Yes, I am ... and they aren't all -that- bad."

... and then here we are with a thread that is not about how
many rivets there are but even about rivet spacing ... *Sigh*
Jim, let me dig around and see if I still have a lapel badge to give you, containing Richard Hendrickson's remark, "Rivets Count."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

tbarney2004
 

Tell them, thanks to your hobby, you can't afford too!  Those STMFC's are too plentiful.

Tim Barney


-------- Original message --------
From: "jimbetz jimbetz@... [STMFC]"
Date:06/01/2015 11:19 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Darn it guys!!!,

   I try and try to ignore the way my friends deride me for being a
member of STMFC ...

   Me:  "I saw something on steam freight car last night ...".
   Them:  "You mean those rivet counters - are you -actually- a
                  member of that group?".
   Me:  "Yes, I am ... and they aren't all -that- bad."

... and then here we are with a thread that is not about how
many rivets there are but even about rivet spacing ... *Sigh*

   Them:  "Jim, get a LIFE."  (I never know how to respond to that.)


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Western Pacific 15001-16000 SS boxcar photos

Bill Welch
 

I am hoping some of western modelers here may have an in-service photo of the Western Pacific's 15001-16000 SS boxcar. (Might be 1501-1600 series instead) This is a relatively short in height car built in October 1916 with a straight U/F and Lumber Door.


Any help will be appreciated.

Bill Welch

 


Re: Might be a dumb question, but...

Jim Betz
 

Darn it guys!!!,

I try and try to ignore the way my friends deride me for being a
member of STMFC ...

Me: "I saw something on steam freight car last night ...".
Them: "You mean those rivet counters - are you -actually- a
member of that group?".
Me: "Yes, I am ... and they aren't all -that- bad."

... and then here we are with a thread that is not about how
many rivets there are but even about rivet spacing ... *Sigh*

Them: "Jim, get a LIFE." (I never know how to respond to that.)


Re: This can't be right...can it?

Andy Miller
 

Well, he does say it’s rare ;-)





Andy miller

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] This can't be right...can it?





A Westerfield PRR XL boxcar in shadow keystone?

Westerfield #1304 Pennsylvania Railroad PRR XL Box Car Custom Built Rare <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westerfield-1304-Pennsylvania-Railroad-PRR-XL-Box-Car-Custom-Built-Rare-/221787815433?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33a3957e09>





Tom Madden


Re: Airbrushing Acrylics

John F. Cizmar
 

BTW, the presenter was Bryant Dunbar.  He introduced us to, "pre-shading", a military modeling technique.  The first color we applied over the primed model was black to the corners and vertical surfaces, next came the body color etc.  The effect was striking.
John Cizmar  


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Airbrushing Acrylics

 
Yes and it also can degrade the chrome and/or nickel plating. I use very little, as my main cleaner is the 91% Isopropyl Alcohol. Much more effective.

How did you like the GREX line John? They look to be well made with some clever design features. John Golden said that a dealer will be at the Collinsville, IL gathering selling the GREX line.

Bill
 



Re: Airbrushing Acrylics

John F. Cizmar
 

Bill,
I like them.  It was first experience with a double-action airbrush.  I found the pistol grip trigger easy to operate.  The nozzles are magnetized making cleaning them a snap.
John  


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Airbrushing Acrylics

 
Yes and it also can degrade the chrome and/or nickel plating. I use very little, as my main cleaner is the 91% Isopropyl Alcohol. Much more effective.

How did you like the GREX line John? They look to be well made with some clever design features. John Golden said that a dealer will be at the Collinsville, IL gathering selling the GREX line.

Bill
 



Re: EJ&E USRA rebuilt box cars

Benjamin Hom
 



Tom Baker asked:
"​Can someone recommend a brand of paint that has the tone of green accurate for the EJ&E rebuilt USRA box cars?"

Did you check Clark Propst's article in Speedwitch Media's Prototype Railroad Modeling, Volume One?
 
 
Ben Hom 


Re: [EXTERNAL] EJ&E USRA rebuilt box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Tom;

I modeled a car that had been around awhile. I used Floquil MEC (?) Green with a couple drops of black added. I liked the effect.

Elden Gatwood

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​Can someone recommend a brand of paint that has the tone of green accurate for the EJ&E rebuilt USRA box cars?





Tom Baker



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