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What color are these?

jayrs9
 

In Patrick Wider's article on U.S.R.A. single sheathed box cars in volume 17 of PR Cyclopedia he show two pictures (page 11) of some of prototypes that were lettered with US and had numbers 000000.  As these are black and white photos, does anyone know what color they were actually were before they were repainted and turned over to a particular railroad?

Thanks,
Jay Ruppel



Re: Navy Box Car

Rod Miller
 

On 6/11/15 4:02 PM, VgnRy43@aol.com [STMFC] wrote:
Thank you for the tips and leads which I will follow.

Aubrey
Don't know where you are located, so this may not work for
you. Several 50 foot all steel door and a half USN box cars
are parked around the perimeter of a parking lot along US 50
in Fallon, NV. I have photos buried somewhere in this computer
and couldn't find them just now.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2016 Meet is May 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: Navy Box Car

VgnRy43@...
 

Thank you for the tips and leads which I will follow.
 
Aubrey


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

James E Kubanick
 

Tim,

Thanks for that suggestion. I have been using MEK to thin my contact cement but have been mixing on an as- needed basis. I had doubts that this bottle would be MEK resistant, but will give it a try based on your suggestion.I need to keep a supply of diluted contact cement on hand.

Sorry you could not find a satisfactory paint bottle there.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV



On Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:33 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jim

No paint bottles... but this bottle is useful! I dilute (thin) my contact cement
with acetone & MEK so this would be a very good bottle for that mixture. And it's
cheap so when the mix is used up, just toss the bottle.

http://www.sciplus.com/p/2-OZ-PLASTIC-BOTTLE-WITH-BRUSH_55456

Tim O'

>Tim,
>Try American Science and Surplus @ www.sciplus.com.
>
>Jim Kubanick




Re: decal source(s)

David Sieber
 

Tony, et al,
 
     Until retiring last year, Ken Goudy offered decals (not waterslide, but thin vinyl stickers) for MANY common carriers and commercial companies, scaled for 1/87 trucks, trailers, and semitrailers of various eras and different lengths - but he has indeed retired.  Good news is, his granddaughter, Christie, took over the business and is offering HO truck decals at:
http://store.graphicsdemand.com/  She has many lettering schemes in different categories for US/Canadian modelers of the transition era though modern day.  The web site includes a gallery of some HO trucks and trailers lettered with her decals, mostly modern examples, but also transition trailers and even a Greyhound bus.  She also offers custom lettering with a reasonable design fee (see her web site).  Common carriers of the '50s - '60s of particular interest to me are:  Los Angeles - Seattle Motor Express, West Coast Fast Freight, and Delta Lines.

HTH, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


next Kadee tab-sill 50 foot PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

I really like these. A lot. I got the first one too, Missouri Pacific.

http://www.kadee.com/month/future/6378l.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

No paint bottles... but this bottle is useful! I dilute (thin) my contact cement
with acetone & MEK so this would be a very good bottle for that mixture. And it's
cheap so when the mix is used up, just toss the bottle.

http://www.sciplus.com/p/2-OZ-PLASTIC-BOTTLE-WITH-BRUSH_55456

Tim O'

Tim,
Try American Science and Surplus @ www.sciplus.com.

Jim Kubanick


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

Douglas Harding
 

Tim I just drilled a hole in the cap of a favorite paint jar and added the appropriate siphon tube/fitting for my airbrush. Now I can use the bottles my favorite paint comes in. And I have a steady supply as I use up paint.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: decal source(s)

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug

http://www.greatdecals.com/ -- works for me

Tim O



At 6/11/2015 05:44 PM Thursday, you wrote:


Found him: spelling is an L followed by two Fs.
Donald R. Halffield, Sr.  
HO Decals           
3 North 897 Ferson Creek Road, St. Charles, IL 60174-1133 
(630) 584-2685  don101724@...  
http://www.greatdecals.com/Halfield.htm
However the great decals website link no longer works, and Don�s decals are no longer listed. So he may no longer be active producing or selling. He use to come to Naperville and Burlington Route Historical Society meets, but I have not seen him in last few years.
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production

 

Tim – Well said. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production
 
 


2. The price of hobby paints is beyond the definition of RIDICULOUS! I purchased three one-half
ounce bottles of Model Master acrylic paints from a local craft store chain. $3.99 per bottle =
about $1020 per gallon. I continue to ask myself, how that manufacturer can justify such a price.

----------------------------------------------

I was friends with George Bishop the owner of Accupaint. At that time I think
the "retail price" was about $3 a bottle. Walthers paid about 55% that much and
then sold it to dealers for 60% as much -- $1.80 a bottle, for the standard 40%
markup.

George received the paint in large cans from the manufacturer -- enough to make
250 bottles of paint. He would thin the paint before bottling -- so I think he
used about 1 gallon of paint plus 1 gallon of thinner to create ~250 bottles at
$1.80 == $450 of revenue. I think his price was around $100 a gallon. If he had
bought 500 gallons at a time, like most customers for that paint, his cost would
have been far lower. But 500 gallons would have lasted 20 lifetimes for one color.

He had about (roughly) 100 colors -- that would be 25,000 bottles maximum inventory
but he was usually out of stock of at least 2/3 of the colors and the other colors
would be at less than 1/3 stock -- so maybe he had 3,000 bottles on hand. Walthers
would refill weekly with orders for as few as 6 bottles !! (I kid you not.) In his
best year he told me he sold about $20,000 of paint -- about 11,000 bottles, or
roughly 44 color-runs of 250 bottles per color. Which works out to a 27-month
turnover of his line in his BEST year. His slower years were much, much slower,
probably less than 1/4 as much paint. He had a decal business too, plus rental
income, and a small hobby shop ... His parents had left him a piece of land and
that sustained him.

Anyway the point of this exercise is to say that (1) the PROFIT MARGIN is nominally
high but (2) many hobby paints are small businesses and no one is really getting rich.
Vallejo and Tamiya and RPM (Testors/Floquil/etc) are larger empires that cater to
segments that spend a lot more on paint than model railroaders do!

Tim O'Connor


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

Tim O'Connor
 


tops are too wide -- but you've got the right idea. :-)

Tim O'


Will these do?

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17073M/Jars/1-oz-Straight-Sided-Glass-Jars-with-Metal-Lid

Dave Owens
West Hartford, Conn.

Does anyone know of a source for good 1 oz paint bottles in bulk -- like 100 bottles for 50 cents each?

It really irritates me paying 500% markup for such a simple item. I found one source online for 30 cents each
but the bottles had very narrow tops (like Vallejo paint bottles) and I prefer wider openings that will fit my
airbrush siphon tops.

I like to mix my own colors! :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Icing express reefers

Thomas Birkett
 

The Santa Fe iced dining cars on the platform in Oklahoma City until the Lone Star aka the Texas Chief died. The ice house was about 10-12 feet square that made what I was told were 300 lb blocks of ice. We iced our drinking water from this stock when I was a switchman there and there was a 4 wheeled dolly (probably a converted baggage wagon) that had a scissor lift attached to it that lifted the ice to roof top level (I don’t recall how much the blocks were cut down before they went into the dining car ice bunker.) The station stop was only 10 minutes so they had to be quick with the ice. They also cooked with pressed wood logs in the dining car which surprised me when I saw them loaded aboard in 1972. I saw no express reefers through Oklahoma City from when I started paying attention in the 1950s some time, but it should have worked the same.

Tom Birkett, Bartlesville, OK

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:44 PM
To: Steam Era Frt Car Group
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Icing express reefers





The C&O's Hinton, WV, station had a small icing dock next to the depot. It re-iced the kitchen car ice-bunkers through the roof.

Al Kresse



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From: "Paul Catapano pc66ot@sbcglobal.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:26:39 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Icing express reefers





I didn't know where to go with this.
It seems like it would be a big expense for REA to maintain an ice dock at a passenger terminal. GENERALLY wouldn't express reefers just get switched over to the freight reefer ice dock to get ice?
I have no idea, but, GENERALLY, it seems like it would be more cost effective for the railroad to pay to have the express reefers iced, test to build and maintain an ice dock.

Any ideas?

Paul Catapano
Winchester, Va.


Re: Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production

Tim O'Connor
 

2. The price of hobby paints is beyond the definition of RIDICULOUS! I purchased three one-half
ounce bottles of Model Master acrylic paints from a local craft store chain. $3.99 per bottle =
about $1020 per gallon. I continue to ask myself, how that manufacturer can justify such a price.

----------------------------------------------

I was friends with George Bishop the owner of Accupaint. At that time I think
the "retail price" was about $3 a bottle. Walthers paid about 55% that much and
then sold it to dealers for 60% as much -- $1.80 a bottle, for the standard 40%
markup.

George received the paint in large cans from the manufacturer -- enough to make
250 bottles of paint. He would thin the paint before bottling -- so I think he
used about 1 gallon of paint plus 1 gallon of thinner to create ~250 bottles at
$1.80 == $450 of revenue. I think his price was around $100 a gallon. If he had
bought 500 gallons at a time, like most customers for that paint, his cost would
have been far lower. But 500 gallons would have lasted 20 lifetimes for one color.

He had about (roughly) 100 colors -- that would be 25,000 bottles maximum inventory
but he was usually out of stock of at least 2/3 of the colors and the other colors
would be at less than 1/3 stock -- so maybe he had 3,000 bottles on hand. Walthers
would refill weekly with orders for as few as 6 bottles !! (I kid you not.) In his
best year he told me he sold about $20,000 of paint -- about 11,000 bottles, or
roughly 44 color-runs of 250 bottles per color. Which works out to a 27-month
turnover of his line in his BEST year. His slower years were much, much slower,
probably less than 1/4 as much paint. He had a decal business too, plus rental
income, and a small hobby shop ... His parents had left him a piece of land and
that sustained him.

Anyway the point of this exercise is to say that (1) the PROFIT MARGIN is nominally
high but (2) many hobby paints are small businesses and no one is really getting rich.
Vallejo and Tamiya and RPM (Testors/Floquil/etc) are larger empires that cater to
segments that spend a lot more on paint than model railroaders do!

Tim O'Connor


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

Greg Martin
 

Tim,
 
TESTORS offers these bottle in blister packs but although expensive they fit my WREN bottle caps which are universal to all the brushes I own. I would contact them direct for a case discount.
 
 
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 6/11/2015 2:12:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 


Does anyone know of a source for good 1 oz paint bottles in bulk -- like 100 bottles for 50 cents each?

It really irritates me paying 500% markup for such a simple item. I found one source online for 30 cents each
but the bottles had very narrow tops (like Vallejo paint bottles) and I prefer wider openings that will fit my
airbrush siphon tops.

I like to mix my own colors! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Mike and all,
 
There are other sources of solvent based paint i.e., TESTORS Enamels in ¼ oz. bottles ( I use them a lot especially RUST for freight car color), TESTORS Model Master Series, Mr. Color (MR Hobby), and Tamiya as well as Humbrol. Don't limit your search and for heaves sake ignore the name on the bottle and focus on the color. 
 
Also be prepared to mix your own and buy a blister pack of TESTOR "empty mixing bottles".
 
Greg Martin


Re: decal source(s)

Douglas Harding
 

Found him: spelling is an L followed by two Fs.

Donald R. Halffield, Sr.  

HO Decals           

3 North 897 Ferson Creek Road, St. Charles, IL 60174-1133 

(630) 584-2685  don101724@...  

http://www.greatdecals.com/Halfield.htm

However the great decals website link no longer works, and Don’s decals are no longer listed. So he may no longer be active producing or selling. He use to come to Naperville and Burlington Route Historical Society meets, but I have not seen him in last few years.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 3:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] decal source(s)

 

 


Tony, Don Haffield used to sell a large variety of truck, trailer and TOFC decals. I bought a number
of sets from him at Naperville. I don't know if they are still being sold or not -- I never found them for
sale anywhere else.

But in general trucks, trailers and their lettering in 1/87 scale are not even available in "tip of the iceberg"
quantities -- It's more like "snowball next to an iceberg" proportions.

Tim O'Connor



I agree there doesn't seem to be much. I believe the PIE decals in Microscale 87-4 is correct for your era (1953?) even though labeled for the 1960s. I think the Navaho decals in the same set may be good too, but I am seeing conflicting information in on-line photos. I would like to know of any others, as well (like the Microscale Bekins Van lines), especially any that were likely to end up in TOFC service.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 12:22 pm
Subject: [STMFC] decal source(s)

 
This is not strictly a freight car topic, though it relates to the movement of freight on one's layout. I refer to highway trucks (admittedly usually seen by railroads as the ENEMY in the transition era, which I model). I have some model semi-trailers and van trucks without markings and have been looking for HO decals to decorate these. I was surprised to find very little. Does anyone know where I should be looking?

Tony Thompson


Re: decal source(s)

Tony Thompson
 

     Thanks to all who answered. I have already found several useful sets. Once again, we are reminded what a terrific resource this group is.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

Dave Owens
 

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Does anyone know of a source for good 1 oz paint bottles in bulk -- like 100 bottles for 50 cents each?

It really irritates me paying 500% markup for such a simple item. I found one source online for 30 cents each
but the bottles had very narrow tops (like Vallejo paint bottles) and I prefer wider openings that will fit my
airbrush siphon tops.

I like to mix my own colors! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Mike and all,
 
There are other sources of solvent based paint i.e., TESTORS Enamels in ź oz. bottles ( I use them a lot especially RUST for freight car color), TESTORS Model Master Series, Mr. Color (MR Hobby), and Tamiya as well as Humbrol. Don't limit your search and for heaves sake ignore the name on the bottle and focus on the color. 
 
Also be prepared to mix your own and buy a blister pack of TESTOR "empty mixing bottles".
 
Greg Martin




Truck (vehicle) Decals - was icing express reefers

Rhbale@...
 

This is an old listing but the person you are looking for is ... 
 
Don Halffield Sr., 3 North 897 Ferson Creek Road, St. Charles, IL 60174.
 
Good luck.
 
Richard Bale
 


Re: bottles (was Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production)

James E Kubanick
 

Tim,
Try American Science and Surplus @ www.sciplus.com.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV





On Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:12 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Does anyone know of a source for good 1 oz paint bottles in bulk -- like 100 bottles for 50 cents each?

It really irritates me paying 500% markup for such a simple item. I found one source online for 30 cents each
but the bottles had very narrow tops (like Vallejo paint bottles) and I prefer wider openings that will fit my
airbrush siphon tops.

I like to mix my own colors! :-)

Tim O'Connor



Mike and all,
 
There are other sources of solvent based paint i.e., TESTORS Enamels in ¼ oz. bottles ( I use them a lot especially RUST for freight car color), TESTORS Model Master Series, Mr. Color (MR Hobby), and Tamiya as well as Humbrol. Don't limit your search and for heaves sake ignore the name on the bottle and focus on the color. 
 
Also be prepared to mix your own and buy a blister pack of TESTOR "empty mixing bottles".
 
Greg Martin



Re: Scalecoat Paints Going Out Of Production

Bruce Smith
 

Roger,

A recent article pointed out that acrylic craft paints from places like Michaels or Hobby Lobby can be used in many applications such as the one you describe.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:23 PM, roger39perkins@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



I am puzzled by this announcement despite the fact I have not used much of this brand of hobby paints.

The hobby paint industry in the US has been on my mind the past few days for a couple of reasons:

1. I have been searching for a flat acrylic line of paints for n-scale structures.  I used the Polly Scale line for many years and was very satisfied with it.  The company elected to discontinue the line.


2. The price of hobby paints is beyond the definition of RIDICULOUS!  I purchased three one-half ounce bottles of Model Master acrylic paints from a local craft store chain. $3.99 per bottle = about $1020 per gallon.


I continue to ask myself, how that manufacturer can justify such a price.  

I am very familiar with regulations that apply to these products and do not think federal or state regulations have driving up the prices nor are they at the basis for Scalecoat to go out of the paint business.!





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