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70-ton ore cars in Utah

Don Strack
 

In this photo...


Columbia Steel Co.-Iron Mountain P.17 :: Utah State Historical Society - Classified Photographs


...are the cars on the middle two tracks 24-foot ore "jennies"? They look to be shorter than the cars on the two adjacent tracks. And that open space at one end seems not to match a standard two-bay hopper.


If you zoom in, you can see a string of ore cars in the distance, beyond the loading building. Other cars in the photo, and others in the same photo series, are either two-bay hoppers, or GS gons.


These photos are taken at UP's Iron Mountain yard, serving the iron mine near Cedar City, Utah, sometime between 1950 and 1954.


Don Strack


Re: Paint Booth Article In MODEL RAILROADER

boomer44@...
 

hey Bruce,

  I'm a kind- of- seat - in -the - pants guy. I just didn't want to re-invent the wheel when someone knows better. I'll use a kitchen exhaust and have my wife notify the group if I was in error...

Anyway I have airbrushed a couple of locos using a corrugated box as my booth. They turned out OK. It took a couple of days to cure the coughing  though. I do have to say Alco's in maroon look really good. AND... this was years ago... still kickin'.

Gordon Spalty


Re: SP GS gondola decals

John Pautz
 

Ted,
Norm Buckhart at Protocraft has them in O scale, you may be able to convince him to do them in HO, as he is expanding his HO decal line. See protocraft.com
John F. Pautz
American Switch & Signal
P:48 track components


Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Scott H. Haycock
 

Tim,

I held one of the ends up to the end of an Atlas 1932 Boxcar, and it would be a good fit. After your post, I pulled out an Athearn ice reefer, and it matches the end dimensions of the Atlas car very closely. I don't know about the Sunshine kit...

Scott Haycock


 


I am actually surprised that someone said these fit 1932 box cars
because they were made to fit the Athearn 40 foot ice reefer bodies.
I checked my Sunshine M-I 1932 kit (which has S-corner ends by the way)
and the ends are definitely taller than the DW/Athearn reefer ends.

Tim O'Connor



Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Bill Welch
 

I suggested them but I did not say they would fit. No big deal to add some strip styrene to the top.

Bill Welch


Re: SP GS gondola decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Ted Waterhouse wrote:


"So we've got the weight issue figured out one way or another but a preliminary search brings up no decals for early'50s SP GS gondolas. Nothing from Microscale and Champ, of course, out of production. Unless I get lucky with a swap meet, etc., it looks like I'm stuck and will have to get along with digging up more Red Caboose models on E-Bay, etc."

Sheesh, Ted, you've given your search all of six hours.  Patience is a virtue on the secondary market - keep an eye on eBay and train shows and the Champ set will eventually show up.  Additionally, you might want to try asking the members of the group if they have one to spare and someone will certainly be happy to help, or make a "wanted" post at 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Railway_Decal_Express_Agency/ .

Seriously, unless you're up against a hard deadline and need these cars yesterday, it won't kill you to be patient.  Just keep looking.


Ben Hom


Re: Sheet lead sources

Gary Ray
 

Home Depot in Chico, CA does not carry it.  Haven’t checked Lowes yet.

Gary Ray

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 4:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sheet lead sources

 



    McMaster-Carr the "perfect and easy source"????  Ted, do you not have a Lowe's or Home Depot 

or building supply store near you? Why pay a high price and shipping as well if you don't have to?

 

Cordially, Don Valentine





Re: Sheet lead sources

Ted Waterhouse
 

Thanks Don. I'll give that a try. I happen to be going by Lowe's this evening for some stuff for the house. I'll see what I can find and report back. tw
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On Tue, 6/16/15, riverman_vt@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sheet lead sources
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 4:02 PM


 









    McMaster-Carr the "perfect and easy
source"????  Ted, do you not have a Lowe's or Home
Depot or building supply store near you? Why pay a
high price and shipping as well if you don't have
to?
Cordially, Don
Valentine









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SP GS gondola decals

Ted Waterhouse
 

So we've got the weight issue figured out one way or another but a preliminary search brings up no decals for early'50s SP GS gondolas. Nothing from Microscale and Champ, of course, out of production. Unless I get lucky with a swap meet, etc., it looks like I'm stuck and will have to get along with digging up more Red Caboose models on E-Bay, etc. At least, with my initial question answered, I know that those are accurate, if not as superb as the Detail Associates kit. Ted Waterhouse


Re: Sheet lead

Andy Harman
 

Sheet lead is easier to get in Califonia than in Ohio.  It's not used for roofing around here.  I got mine from McMaster-Carr direct.

Sent from my little plastic pop tart

On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Paul Catapano wrote:

 

Re: source for sheet lead

Did anyone suggest roofers, or rain gutter installers? If you are in California forget it. Almost anywhere else though.


     Both professional plumbing shops AND roofers supply stores DO sell sheet lead in California. I just verified that with some phone calls.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Sheet lead sources

riverman_vt@...
 

    McMaster-Carr the "perfect and easy source"????  Ted, do you not have a Lowe's or Home Depot 
or building supply store near you? Why pay a high price and shipping as well if you don't have to?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Gene Semon
 

Scott,  thanks for the information.

 

Gene

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:21 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

 




Gene,

I happen to have a set of the DE-1001 ends (I'm keeping them ), and while they seem to be the right size (width and height) to graft onto the Atlas model, the ribs and darts don't wrap around the corner like the ends on the M.I. car shown in the photo on page 154 of Ted Culotta's book. 

 

Scott Haycock

 


 

Details West part DE-1001. 4-4 Dreadnaught End  (Round Corner 1940-1950). This part is no longer in stock but can be found at swap meets and sometimes in the junk bins at model train shops.

 

Al Smith

Sonora CA

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?

 

Gene Semon

 

 

 





Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Allan Smith
 

Gene:

I have an extra package of part DE-1001. If you will contact me of list I will make arrangements to get it to you.

Al Smith Sonora CA



On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?
 
Gene Semon



Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Tim O'Connor
 

I am actually surprised that someone said these fit 1932 box cars
because they were made to fit the Athearn 40 foot ice reefer bodies.
I checked my Sunshine M-I 1932 kit (which has S-corner ends by the way)
and the ends are definitely taller than the DW/Athearn reefer ends.

Tim O'Connor

I have 3 sets of the Details West DE-1001 4-4 dreadnaught ends that are excess to my needs and am willing to sell.
Bill Adam


Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Bill Adam
 

I have 3 sets of the Details West DE-1001 4-4 dreadnaught ends that are excess to my needs and am willing to sell.
Bill Adam
Pearland, TX


Re: Sheet lead sources

asychis@...
 

In Amarillo Home Depot and Lowe's carry lead in the form of roof vent flashing.  Jerry Michels


Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Scott H. Haycock
 

Gene,
I happen to have a set of the DE-1001 ends (I'm keeping them ), and while they seem to be the right size (width and height) to graft onto the Atlas model, the ribs and darts don't wrap around the corner like the ends on the M.I. car shown in the photo on page 154 of Ted Culotta's book. 

Scott Haycock


 

Details West part DE-1001. 4-4 Dreadnaught End  (Round Corner 1940-1950). This part is no longer in stock but can be found at swap meets and sometimes in the junk bins at model train shops.

Al Smith
Sonora CA



On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:50 AM, "'Gene Semon' mopac1@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Does anyone made the 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners that apparently was unique the Missouri Illinois 1932 ARA Boxcars which could be used on the Atlas model?
 
Gene Semon




Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Tim O'Connor
 

I checked my usual "go to" web site for out of production parts but the
Details West #1001 part is not there, sadly. http://www.procustomhobbies.com/

Still, one might be able to find it at a hobby shop that has been in business
for at least 20 years ... (Are there any of those left?)

Tim O'Connor

Or the Details West 4/4 Dreadnaught end.
Bill Welch


Re: 4-4 Dreadnaught end with round corners

Bill Welch
 

Or the Details West 4/4 Dreadnaught end.

Bill Welch


Re: Semet-Solvay Pilot Model Build-Yarmouth

Bill Welch
 

Going on memory as I do not Vol. 3 of RP CYC in front of me but these cars were built circa 1940-41.

Bill Welch

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