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Re: PM ARA-style box car
Richard Hendrickson
Richard Hendrickson's December 2001 RMJ article on PM, C&O, Erie etc. box carsSorry, Scott. Whoeveer did the layout should have saved the photos for the next issue, where the rest of the article appeared (with the information that was missing from part 1) Will Accurail sell those car bodies separately, (side or end defects are OK!)AFAIK, the Accurail bodies aren't available separately, but kits (or assembled models) aren't all that expensive (especially at swap meets) and you can use other parts (e.g. the trucks) as well. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: Sunshine kit/decal question
Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
In my opinion each Sunshine chalk mark decal sheet contains enough chalk
marks for at least a dozen cars, maybe two dozen, depending on how many you use per car. -- Jim Hayes Portland Oregon
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Repack stencils
David Soderblom
Reweighs were every 48 months (sometimes less per individual RR policy) and
generally done by the owning road. Repacks were every 12 months, so you're about as likely to see a foreign (off-road) repack stencil as not. In an RMJ article, Richard suggested using N scale decals for repacks. Two-inch lettering in N is about the needed one-inch in HO, and once it's on your layout nobody's going to actually read it anyway. Dave Soderblom Baltimore MD
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Re: painting resin kits?
Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
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Back to my pal John Morris again, he too uses a grit blaster as part of his resin and brass finishing processes. These days his grit of choice is of all things baking soda.
> Grit blasting resin works wonders too. ;o)I agree. However, IIRC, the original poster did not have a spray booth in --
Stafford Swain 26 Kenneth Street Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3T 0K8 (204) 477-9246 sswain@mts.net
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Re: Painting Resin Kits
Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
I can confirm isopropyl alcohol seems to work well on most resin kits.
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A friend of mine (John Morris) came up with a fast, non-invasive way of applying same to resin castings. John uses a one-inch or so size foam brush (standard hardware/paint store stuff), loads it with alcohol, and then swabs all surface of the castings before the de-flashing and assembly steps. The foam brush (1) won't damage castings and (2) will hold enough alcohol inside the foam block that the usual rapid evaporation of alcohol isn't an issue. . . and it isn't a bad idea to re-swab the "decks" of the completed model before painting.
Wipe them down with alcohol prior to painting. Once the parts are dry you --
Stafford Swain 26 Kenneth Street Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3T 0K8 (204) 477-9246 sswain@mts.net
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Re: painting resin kits?
C J Wyatt
Grit blasting resin works wonders too. ;o)I agree. However, IIRC, the original poster did not have a spray booth in his budget, let alone a grit blaster. I don't bother to wash the castings anymore - the grit blasting cleans off the release agent sufficiently. The "tooth" from the grit blasting is great for paint adhesion. I've been using ModelFlex acrylics lately, and you have to really scratch hard to marr the painted finish when it is dry on a grit blasted surface. I think the microscopic "tooth" does more than just promote paint adhesion, but causes the paint to lay down better by breaking the surface tension of the wet paint droplets. The last statement is in the theory stage now, but I think there is something to it after observing beading when trying to hand-paint a non-grit blasted surface. At least for me, the grit blaster has become an indispensible tool as far as painting models is concerned. Jack Wyatt
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Painting Resin Kits
Randy <pennsy@...>
Wipe them down with alcohol prior to painting. Once the parts are dry you
can paint. Dayna
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Re: SLSF box car paint scheme
Chris Abernathy
Greetings. I'm a newbie and a young whippersnapper when it comes to
steam-era freight cars, but this is a topic of interest to me. The tan/brown "Frisco Fast Freight" scheme was apparently applied after many of the Frisco's USRA Double-Sheathed boxcars were rebuilt between 1935-1941 in Springfield, MO. Sunshine's notes (from my Kit 4.1 for the boxcar red version) cite photos as confirming the tan/brown scheme on: 127079, 128000, 128046, 129171 and 130159. This scheme apparently started disappearing in the late 1940s; I would have to guess 1946-1947 based on a story Joe Collias tells in "Frisco Power." A similar "FFF" logo was applied to the tenders of the 4500-class 4-8-4 locomotives; newly elected President Clark Hungerford, while inspecting the St. Louis (Lindenwood) enginehouse apparently remarked "How much tonnage does this pull? Get it off!" So, I would make a guess that boxcar logos started disappearing around this time or shortly thereafter. Regards, Chris Abernathy Columbia, MO (Modeling the Frisco's River Division in HO-Scale c. 1943) --- In STMFC@y..., "Kevin Lafferty" <KevinHLafferty@a...> wrote: According to Martin Lofton's data sheet from the Sunshine kit forthese cars they regularly traveled off line. Apparently only some of the carspainted in this scheme were intended for LCL service. The photos I have ofthese cars show them stenciled with complete dimensional and capacitydata. cars doorhave dark roofs, ends, doors and side sills with light colored regularon each car. The only legible car number is 129801. rebuilt by theservice? Would these cars have been in some captive service?Gene, this was the standard paint scheme on a series of cars SL-SF for merchandise freight service. The sides were tan, theends and roofs were brown, and the lettering was brown and orange. I don'tknow how many cars were assigned to this service or wehther they went off-line.
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Re: Sunshine kit/decal question
Scott Pitzer
Martin has some pretty specific chalk mark sets. I assume "Washington DC
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1948" is based on the Charles Wales photos. But if one of the cars recorded there was a MoPac 1932 AAR-design car, the chalk marks could have gone to a "Southwestern" set, or the "1932 AAR box cars" set. And a particular mark on that car might have been applied on the GN! Maybe there's a Byron Rose of chalk marks-- "That mark couldn't POSSIBLY appear on an ACL gon hauling scrap metal through North Carolina in the Summer of 1952..." Scott Pitzer Tim O'Connor wrote:
Whether chalkmarks can be certifiably
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Re: C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 8' doors (Help) was DL&W Boxcars
Schuyler G Larrabee <SGL2@...>
Who can sleep when there's Freight Cars to discuss???
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8^) SGL
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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@bluemoon.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 8' doors (Help) was DL&W Boxcars I forgot to mention the car also has a rectangular panel roof, so to recapwhat cars had riveted 12 panel sides, 8'door openings, (I misread the scale rule too, but give me a break it is 1 am) rectangular roofs, and 4/4 ends with the top rib extending the full width of the end. DL&W Boxcars site I noticed that all the riveted 12 panel DL&W cars on his site have 4/3/1 ends. The question I have now is who had 12 panel riveted cars with 7' doors and 4/4 ends? numbers >55612, 55732, and both have build dates in 1946. The cars haveInterim >Improved 4/4 Dreadnaught ends, 7' doors, and are 12 panel cars. I amtrying >to determine if the DL&W actually owned these types of cars.Ihaven't been >able to find photo's of these cars in the resources I have, mostlyold RMJ >issues, and Bob's Photo's. The one Bob's photo I have is of car 55203which >is a 12 panel car built in 1957, (DL&W cars in RMJ have differentnumber >series) I can not tell if the end is the same but since the builddate is >10 years later I doubt it.
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Re: painting resin kits?
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Grit blasting resin works wonders too. ;o)
Hello, A question for all you resin kit builders on the list, do you doSoap and warm water are usually enough but there have been several occasions Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 8' doors (Help)
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
At 01:04 AM 12/1/2002, you wrote:
I forgot to mention the car also has a rectangular panel roof, so to recap what cars had riveted 12 panel sides, 8'door openings, (I misread the scale rule too, but give me a break it is 1 am) rectangular roofs, and 4/4 ends with the top rib extending the full width of the end.Ok, so you've got 4/4 "rolling pin" ends, an 8 foot door, riveted 12 panel sides, and a rectangular panel roof?? Try Railmodel Journal 10/1999 -- I think you will find there is no prototype combination that matches it. Six foot doors, yes. But not eight foot. (The publisher screwed up Ed's data table so you have to read it carefully.) Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 8' doors (Help) was DL&W Boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I forgot to mention the car also has a rectangular panel roof, so to recap what cars had riveted 12 panel sides, 8'door openings, (I misread the scale rule too, but give me a break it is 1 am) rectangular roofs, and 4/4 ends with the top rib extending the full width of the end.
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Brian, (who is wondering why Tim and Schuyler are still up also?)
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From: Brian J Carlson To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 7' doors (Help) was DL&W Boxcars Thanks Tim, I forgot to check George's site. After looking at George's site I noticed that all the riveted 12 panel DL&W cars on his site have 4/3/1 ends. The question I have now is who had 12 panel riveted cars with 7' doors and 4/4 ends? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] DL&W Boxcars Brian, DL&W had several groups of 12 panel box cars. According to my information, all of them had 8 foot doors. But specifically I show 55500-55899 built 1956 by ACF, with WELDED sides. My info on this series is from 8/1992 RMJ, and from scans of 55522 & 55690 which I probably got from G. Elwood's web site. The RMJ article has a photo of 55699. They had R+3/4 tapered rib dreadnaught ends, Ajax brakewheels, and Apex (grid style) running boards. CNJ and Wabash had welded 12 panel cars with 7 foot doors. I don't know of any that had riveted sides with 7 foot doors -- but they could be out there. My info is very incomplete. At 11:43 PM 11/30/2002, you wrote: >I have two C&BT 40' boxcar kits for the DL&W. The kits are car numbers >55612, 55732, and both have build dates in 1946. The cars have Interim >Improved 4/4 Dreadnaught ends, 7' doors, and are 12 panel cars. I am trying >to determine if the DL&W actually owned these types of cars. Ihaven't been >able to find photo's of these cars in the resources I have, mostly old RMJ >issues, and Bob's Photo's. The one Bob's photo I have is of car 55203 which >is a 12 panel car built in 1957, (DL&W cars in RMJ have different number >series) I can not tell if the end is the same but since the build date is >10 years later I doubt it. Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: DL&W Boxcars
Schuyler G Larrabee <SGL2@...>
I can verify that Tim's correct here. DL&W had no 7' door cars, as far as I
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can find. Some 6', most 8', no 7'. SGL
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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@attbi.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] DL&W Boxcars trying beento determine if the DL&W actually owned these types of cars. Ihaven't RMJable to find photo's of these cars in the resources I have, mostly old whichissues, and Bob's Photo's. The one Bob's photo I have is of car 55203 isis a 12 panel car built in 1957, (DL&W cars in RMJ have different number 10 years later I doubt it.
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Re: C&BT cars with 4/4 ends and 7' doors (Help) was DL&W Boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Thanks Tim, I forgot to check George's site. After looking at George's site I noticed that all the riveted 12 panel DL&W cars on his site have 4/3/1 ends. The question I have now is who had 12 panel riveted cars with 7' doors and 4/4 ends?
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Brian
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From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] DL&W Boxcars Brian, DL&W had several groups of 12 panel box cars. According to my information, all of them had 8 foot doors. But specifically I show 55500-55899 built 1956 by ACF, with WELDED sides. My info on this series is from 8/1992 RMJ, and from scans of 55522 & 55690 which I probably got from G. Elwood's web site. The RMJ article has a photo of 55699. They had R+3/4 tapered rib dreadnaught ends, Ajax brakewheels, and Apex (grid style) running boards. CNJ and Wabash had welded 12 panel cars with 7 foot doors. I don't know of any that had riveted sides with 7 foot doors -- but they could be out there. My info is very incomplete. At 11:43 PM 11/30/2002, you wrote: >I have two C&BT 40' boxcar kits for the DL&W. The kits are car numbers >55612, 55732, and both have build dates in 1946. The cars have Interim >Improved 4/4 Dreadnaught ends, 7' doors, and are 12 panel cars. I am trying >to determine if the DL&W actually owned these types of cars. Ihaven't been >able to find photo's of these cars in the resources I have, mostly old RMJ >issues, and Bob's Photo's. The one Bob's photo I have is of car 55203 which >is a 12 panel car built in 1957, (DL&W cars in RMJ have different number >series) I can not tell if the end is the same but since the build date is >10 years later I doubt it. Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: painting resin kits?
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
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-----Original Message-----Soap and warm water are usually enough but there have been several occasions with Sunshine kits where I felt the mold release was still on the castings and those I soaked in ordinary paint thinner before assembly. Dave Nelson
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Re: DL&W Boxcars
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Brian, DL&W had several groups of 12 panel box cars. According
to my information, all of them had 8 foot doors. But specifically I show 55500-55899 built 1956 by ACF, with WELDED sides. My info on this series is from 8/1992 RMJ, and from scans of 55522 & 55690 which I probably got from G. Elwood's web site. The RMJ article has a photo of 55699. They had R+3/4 tapered rib dreadnaught ends, Ajax brakewheels, and Apex (grid style) running boards. CNJ and Wabash had welded 12 panel cars with 7 foot doors. I don't know of any that had riveted sides with 7 foot doors -- but they could be out there. My info is very incomplete. At 11:43 PM 11/30/2002, you wrote: I have two C&BT 40' boxcar kits for the DL&W. The kits are car numbers Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Sunshine kit/decal question
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Brian,
I can answer which railroads are covered by the reweigh decals. Whether chalkmarks can be certifiably attributed to a specific railroad, I'll leave that question to the experts. Sunshine reweigh (and other small data) decals -- E.51 Mid-Atlantic B&O C&O N&W PRR VGN S&A RF&P SOU WM ERIE RDG CRR E.52 Mid-Western C&EI MILW SOO C&NW RI PRR CB&Q ALTON E.53 Western AT&SF SP UP SLSF CMO PRR E.54 Northeast D&H DL&W NYC NH ERIE LV P&E PMcK&Y MP P&LE IHB E.55 Southwest MP T&P SLSF MKT AT&SF SSW E.56 Southeast ACL SAL SOU G&F FGE C&G COFG L&N NC&STL L&A M&A E.57 Northwest GN WFEX FGEX NP MILW SOO CB&Q UP SP&S E.? black C&O SP NP RDG T&P B&O PRR SOU SOO P&LE IHB ATSF MP CB&Q ERIE E.? PFE guess Who is missing from this lineup? WP D&RGW KCS L&A IC ART MDT to name a few. MP has some tiny stencils (repaint?) on the Northeastern set, which is why I listed it there as well as on the Southwestern set. At 10:22 PM 11/30/2002, you wrote: While finally organizing the many Bob's photo's and other freight car Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@attbi.com> Sterling, Massachusetts
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DL&W Boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I have two C&BT 40' boxcar kits for the DL&W. The kits are car numbers
55612, 55732, and both have build dates in 1946. The cars have Interim Improved 4/4 Dreadnaught ends, 7' doors, and are 12 panel cars. I am trying to determine if the DL&W actually owned these types of cars. Ihaven't been able to find photo's of these cars in the resources I have, mostly old RMJ issues, and Bob's Photo's. The one Bob's photo I have is of car 55203 which is a 12 panel car built in 1957, (DL&W cars in RMJ have different number series) I can not tell if the end is the same but since the build date is 10 years later I doubt it. Any and all help would be appreciated. If it turns out the DL&W did not own these cars (I hope they did), I would appreciate information about any other appropriate road for these cars. I have only been able to find one 7' car photo, WP, however the car has 10 panels. Brian J Carlson Cheektowaga NY
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Re: True Sander
Scott A. Reed <lildiggr@...>
This is a PS to my earlier message.
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The instructions recommend using double stick tape, but try the Ducco cement idea. Scott A. Reed
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From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@netconx.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: [STMFC] True Sander What's the best way to adhere replacement sand paper to the NWSL True
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