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Re: one Andrews truck, one Barber truck (UNCLASSIFIED)

SUVCWORR@...
 

Also, the H39a (barely iwithin the time of this list) built at Juniata received Crown trucks off scraped H21's.  The H39 were built by outside vendors and the H39a were all home built at Juniata.  The only difference being point of construction and the trucks.

Rich Orr



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Elden Gatwood wrote;
"They even went so far to place Crown trucks from scrapped H21, on brand-new classes like some of the G36 gons, and the new ore jennies (G38 and G39). I have no idea what the rationale was for those moves."
 
The obvious one - money.  It proved to be false economy, as these cars eventually received new trucks.  [Classes G36 (1957) and G38 (1960) are actually in scope for this list.]
 
 
Ben Hom



Re: Weight

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Fred,

My preferred method for adding weight to both resin and plastic house cars is to screw a strip of sheet lead to the top of the floor before permanently attaching the floor to the body. See my article, "Building resin freight car kits," in the February 2010 Model Railroader. The section on adding weight is on page 52.

I like this way of doing it because I like magnetic uncoupling and so try to avoid using steel weights that can be attracted to magnets. I routinely discard the steel plates included in many kits and use lead sheet instead. If the holes for the screws are drilled between the center sills, the screws will be invisible on the finished car, and with screws there's no delay while glue dries or concern that glue will eventually shrink and come loose.

Good luck with your car kits,

Andy


Re: Hercules Powder

Tony Thompson
 

Rich Orr wrote:

 
Hercules still has a facility adjacent to the US Steel Clariton Coke works in Clariton PA  (South of Pittsburgh on the Monongahela River).  For many years the facility operated under a court ordered consent decree to come into compliance with air pollution standards primarily because of the release of phenols among other VOC's.

     Rich meant, of course, to type "Clairton."

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Hercules Powder

SUVCWORR@...
 


Gene,

Given that Hercules gun powders were for the most part double based (combination of nitrocellulose and nitroglygerin) any of the chemicals needed to manufacture those explosives.   Their military grade gunpowder contained 20% nitroglycerin.  In more recent years (near the end of the time period of this list) they also processed by-products of the steel industry particularly the coking process.  Hercules still has a facility adjacent to the US Steel Clariton Coke works in Clariton PA  (South of Pittsburgh on the Monongahela River).  For many years the facility operated under a court ordered consent decree to come into compliance with air pollution standards primarily because of the release of phenols among other VOC's.

Rich Orr




What product or concoction would have been hauled in Hercules Powder tank cars?
Where would such shipments have originated and what was the destination?
Gene Green




Re: B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

 

Wow!  Chalk mark heaven!


   No, no. This modeler has gone way overboard with the chalk marks on his car.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Weight

Tony Thompson
 

     For car weights if not supplied in a kit, I normally use a pair of 1/2-inch or 5/8-inch steel nuts (whichever fits). They cost about 18 cents at my hardware store. I attach them with canopy glue and have never had one come loose.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering (UNCLASSIFIED)

genegreen1942@...
 

Elden,
Thank you.
Gene


Re: Weight

Allan Smith
 

A-line a division of proto power west has self addhesive weights  #13000-13002 at a reasonable price. You should be able to get them thru your local hobby shop or thru Walthers. Also Walmart has self addhesive weights in the sporting goods section.
If you place them just inside the truck screw toward the center of the car you can still install and remove the trucks, I have a digital postal scale and weight the car parts before assembly, then I know how much weight to add to the car.
Al Smith Sonora CA



On Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:00 AM, "Allen Cain allencaintn@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
For boxcar I use self adhesive tire balancing weights direct stuck to the floor directly above and centered on the truck bolster screw with weight equally split between the two ends.
Last time I bought these at Car Quest but other supply shops should have them and much much much cheaper than what A-line sells. These are used to balance mag style wheels
Allen Cain



Re: Weight

Tom in Texas
 

Relative to fixing the wobble problem, I have had good luck using the ribbed bolster washers sold by Proto 87 Stores

Tom Pearson
Benbrook, Texas


Hercules Powder

genegreen1942@...
 

What product or concoction would have been hauled in Hercules Powder tank cars?

Where would such shipments have originated and what was the destination?

Gene Green


Re: B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Gene;

There was a discussion recently on these cars amongst the B&O guys. I have asked them to reply.

Elden Gatwood

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Lookit the chalk marks!

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Subject: [STMFC] B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering

One of the photos currently being offered on eBay is Baltimore & Ohio B&O
467071 M-55H Time-Saver postwar AAR box car 8x10 photo
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/371360697673?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam
e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT> ( 371360697673 ).

Looking at the photo carefully suggests to me that the car was repainted in
1953. I could be wrong, of course. Would 1953 be when the B&O began
applying this lettering or would it have begun earlier?

Gene Green

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Re: B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering

Bruce Smith
 

Wow!  Chalk mark heaven!

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 25, 2015, at 10:59 AM, genegreen1942@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

One of the photos currently being offered on eBay is Baltimore & Ohio B&O 467071 M-55H Time-Saver postwar AAR box car 8x10 photo ( 371360697673 ).


Re: B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering

 

Lookit the chalk marks!

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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<STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 10:59 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering







One of the photos currently being offered on eBay is Baltimore & Ohio B&O
467071 M-55H Time-Saver postwar AAR box car 8x10 photo
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/371360697673?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam
e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT> ( 371360697673 ).



Looking at the photo carefully suggests to me that the car was repainted in
1953. I could be wrong, of course. Would 1953 be when the B&O began
applying this lettering or would it have begun earlier?



Gene Green











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Re: Weight

Allen Cain
 

For boxcar I use self adhesive tire balancing weights direct stuck to the floor directly above and centered on the truck bolster screw with weight equally split between the two ends.

Last time I bought these at Car Quest but other supply shops should have them and much much much cheaper than what A-line sells. These are used to balance mag style wheels

Allen Cain


B&O Time-Saver paint & lettering

genegreen1942@...
 

One of the photos currently being offered on eBay is Baltimore & Ohio B&O 467071 M-55H Time-Saver postwar AAR box car 8x10 photo ( 371360697673 ).


Looking at the photo carefully suggests to me that the car was repainted in 1953.  I could be wrong, of course.  Would 1953 be when the B&O began applying this lettering or would it have begun earlier?


Gene Green



Sorry a little Off Topic But...

reporterllc
 

..with the era and kind of modeler here I thought some of you might want to know:


At the very moment I have some HO Exact Scale Upper Quadrant Semaphore Signal Kits for sale: 3 home interlocking signals and 4 Train order Signals, The home signals come with four blades, two long and two short and both kits include fine plastic parts like thin blades plus photo etched parts. They model the purely mechanical style with the rod running up the mast and they really work that way. Everything is included including grain of wheat bulbs and wiring, linkage, bell cranks, the masts, lenses, etc.


I am thinning my "stash" and IMO, when assembled these signals will put any HO semaphore signal available today to shame but they are long out of production. Exact Scale was a company that a friend started some years ago (1990s?). Wally is an engineer by profession, a signal aficionado and modeler. He actually took measurements off of real signals. 


I am having trouble putting multiple quantities in my auction so will just continue to list them one at a time until they are gone. And when they are gone they will be gone. Good luck finding them anywhere else.

Do a search under Exact Scale Signals under Toys & Hobbies, Model Railroads & Trains, HO,  and Other.


Victor A. Baird

Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Weight

Charles Etheredge
 

Fred,  Ben has it right.  If I had to pick one thing that is causing this, it would have to be uneven track.  From own experience, track sections not accurately joined, ( not flush and smooth), difference in height), the track itself is not exactly level....from side to side, etc.   I have a lot of Branchline cars on my layouts and have no problems at all with them.

Charles Etheredge  


Re: one Andrews truck, one Barber truck (UNCLASSIFIED)

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
Classes G36 (1957) and G38 (1960) are actually in scope for this list.
 
Correction - Class G36 was built in 1958.
 
Ben Hom


Re: one Andrews truck, one Barber truck (UNCLASSIFIED)

Benjamin Hom
 

Elden Gatwood wrote;
"They even went so far to place Crown trucks from scrapped H21, on brand-new classes like some of the G36 gons, and the new ore jennies (G38 and G39). I have no idea what the rationale was for those moves."
 
The obvious one - money.  It proved to be false economy, as these cars eventually received new trucks.  [Classes G36 (1957) and G38 (1960) are actually in scope for this list.]
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: one Andrews truck, one Barber truck (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Group;

To throw more gasoline on your fire, the PRR, and it must've been knowingly, used their "Crown" trucks, which did NOT have integral journal boxes (i.e., were like a super-sized Andrews truck), in interchange service, well past the time they were supposed to have taken them out of interchange service.

OK, you could say they were rationalizing doing so by saying "well, the H21 subclasses won't be interchanged in XYZ service", but in reality, they did.

They even went so far to place Crown trucks from scrapped H21, on brand-new classes like some of the G36 gons, and the new ore jennies (G38 and G39). I have no idea what the rationale was for those moves.

Elden Gatwood

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Okay. Then what should the line in the AAR Interchange Dates file be
modified to read? Here's what is on my copy of the file.

1957 - trucks w/integrally-cast journal boxes required in interchange -
Hendrickson

It is my understanding the Andrews trucks do not have an integrally-cast
journal box, therefore they could not be used in interchange.

Am I wrong on this understanding of an Andrews truck?

Are we all reading this AAR Interchange line correctly?

Trucks w(ith)/integrally-cast journal boxes required in interchange.

What am I missing here?

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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Eric wrote:

"This is interesting. I see a 1962 reweigh date on this Wabash car.

I assume this car was not used in interchange as the Andrews truck would be
outlawed. As per the AAR Interchange Dates file available on the STMFC file
section, by 1957 "trucks w/integrally-cast journal boxes required in
interchange."

This is not accurate. Trucks with integrally cast journal boxes were not
prohibited in interchange at any point prior to 1960.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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