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Re: BAR State of Maine Products

Todd Horton
 

You beat me to it. Todd Horton

 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BAR State of Maine Products

 

 

Brad Smith wrote:

"Both companies strive for accuracy, Atlas especially after getting burned a couple of times."

You give Atlas way too much credit as long as they continue to make money off of this piece of crap in O, HO, and N:
http://www.atlaso.com/osteelrebuilt8.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt4.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/nsteelrebuilt4.htm

Ben Hom


Re: BAR State of Maine Products

Benjamin Hom
 

Brad Smith wrote:

"Both companies strive for accuracy, Atlas especially after getting burned a couple of times."

You give Atlas way too much credit as long as they continue to make money off of this piece of crap in O, HO, and N:
http://www.atlaso.com/osteelrebuilt8.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt4.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/nsteelrebuilt4.htm


Ben Hom


Re: BAR State of Maine Products

Brad Smith
 

Interesting. Atlas made the car with brown ends and white roof number 6500. Micro-trains made the car with blue ends and brown roof, car 6000. Either or both could be correct.  Both companies strive for accuracy, Atlas especially after getting burned a couple of times. 

Brad Smith

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On Jun 26, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 


The only photo I have shows white overspray on what looks like an unpainted galvanized
roof, or it could just be a dirty white roof. But the ice hatches are a dark painted color. The
car end is a solid dark color -- either blue or box car red, impossible to tell which.

But it's really just speculation without a good color photo.

Tim O'Connor


I think the roof was freight car red, but the ends were like the sides on the cars with the potato image.
 
Brad
 



I think the ends of the ex-MDT wood reefers may have been painted "red" -- i.e. freight car red.
Unfortunately I don't know of any good color photographs of the cars. The potato was I believe
painted a brownish color.

There was at least one SINGLE SHEATHED BOX CAR painted in the R/W/B with POTATOES,
not products. This car was rebuilt with a plug door. It was not a refrigerator car -- BAR 2901. The
car was rebuilt in March 1950 and may actually have preceded the delivery of the new insulated
box cars delivered by Magor in 1950-1951 -- the first to wear the R/W/B "PRODUCTS" scheme.

Tim O'Connor


Anhydrous Ammonia Fertilizer (was Re: Hercules Powder)

genegreen1942@...
 

Dave Sieber asked, "Might there have been a receiver of anhydrous ammonia fertilizer in or near the Marshalltown area during your modeling era?"

The correct answer is, "I don't know."  

Some research is required on my part.  I model September 1950.  I don't recall Iowa farmers, where I grew up in the 1940s and 1950s, using any fertilizer except that which came from the south end of a northbound cow.  Someone somewhere had to be first, though.  Without much thought I had rejected the idea of liquid fertilizer and a related industry as being too modern.  I shall investigate more thoroughly.

Gene Green


Re: Hercules Powder

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/27/2015 9:41 AM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] wrote:
substantial portion of their production was Gun Cotton

    I still remember a demo of gun cotton in my HS chem class.  He made it and ignited it.  Try that today!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Weight

cptracks
 

Me too, and they work very well. My son used to work in a parts warehouse and now I have a lifetime supply.
 
Colin Riley



From: "Allen Cain allencaintn@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Weight

 
For boxcar I use self adhesive tire balancing weights direct stuck to the floor directly above and centered on the truck bolster screw with weight equally split between the two ends.
Last time I bought these at Car Quest but other supply shops should have them and much much much cheaper than what A-line sells. These are used to balance mag style wheels
Allen Cain



Re: Trojan Powder [was: Hercules Powder]

Richard Brennan
 

At 09:41 AM 6/27/2015, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@att.net [STMFC] wrote:
The Sanborn’s for Hercules CA that I've look
at are blank. Not even an admission refused
notation. No surprise really… what fire
departtment was willing to go there? FWIW there
were multiple explosives industries on either
side of Pt Richmond on SF Bay… Hercules to the
eaast, Giant and Cal Cap were just to the south,
and Pt Richmond itself was used for storage and
loading ships. Today, Pt. Richmond is a park.
Another East Bay site was the Trojan Powder
Works... active in San Lorenzo (just south of
Oakland/Alameda) from the 1900s to the 1960s...
The CSRM has track arrangement drawings for
"Robert"... aka "Roberts Landing" on the SP
Mulford line, formerly "West San Lorenzo" on the
narrow-gauge SPC, and Vintage Aerials has photos
of the building and inside-plant track arrangement.

Dynamite was shipped both by scow-schooner from
the slough... and in box cars on the SP. The
road into the site, now Lewelling Blvd., was
pretty primitive, so the nitrates probably came
in by rail, but I don't know if this was in
granular or liquid form... and was probably
era-dependant. A specific use of Trojan Powder
was to build a little ditch called the Panama Canal.

During the 1970s... this was identified as an EPA
(Environmental Protection Agency) Toxic Waste
Super-Fund cleanup site, the nitrate-saturated
soil was dug out 15 feet deep... and the site
declared 'remediated'. I suspect the dirty-dirt
would have gone via the SP in gons or hoppers to some other benefactor state...

The land was annexed to San Leandro and developed
in the 1990s... I now live dead-center on top of the former buildings site.
As today's Mulford local rumbles past and shakes
the ground-fill... I'm still careful not to light any matches! <VBG>


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
MP 17.8 - Roberts Landing [Robert] on the SP Mulford Line.
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Re: Hercules Powder

Dave Nelson
 

The Sanborn’s for Hercules CA that I’ve look at are blank.  Not even an admission refused notation.  No surprise really… what fire department was willing to go there?  FWIW there were multiple explosives industries on either side of Pt Richmond on SF Bay… Hercules to the east, Giant and Cal Cap were just to the south, and Pt Richmond itself was used for storage and loading ships.  Today, Pt. Richmond is a park.

 

As for what Hercules Powder made, a substantial portion of their production was Gun Cotton which is made from concentrated Sulfuric Acid, 70% Nitric acid, ordinary cellulous (cotton, sawdust, etc) and a clean water rinse.  Gun Cotton burns at subsonic speeds which makes it ideal for artillery and small arms charges.  They also made high explosives like dynamite for mining & construction… and whatever compound was the “active” ingredient in those artillery shells launched by the gun cotton.

 

So at a minimum one could properly call those tank car loads Sulfuric and/or Nitric acid and probably be correct.

 

Dave Nelson

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Jerry,

Have you looked at the Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps? Major industries were almost always covered in detail on these maps, including rail sidings, and it is interesting to trace changes from map to map.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

 


Re: Hercules Powder

Brad Smith
 

Chuck, is it one of the red cars?

Brad Smith

Sent from Brad's iPod

On Jun 27, 2015, at 9:06 AM, 'Chuck Cover' chuck.cover@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

There is a Proto 2000 kit for an 8,000 gallon Hercules Tank car.  I just built one.  You can probably find one on EBay.

 

Chuck


Re: Slightly off topic, maybe.

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Yes that loctite is available this side of the pond its good glue.

Paul Doggett UK




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"fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Jared, Loctite markets a CA with a built-in brush. I have only used it once but it was for a similar type of application where I  needed to spread the CA over a large area using as I remember styrene and resin. Worked like a charm. I have seen it at either Home Depot  or Lowe's and recently picked up another blister pack for "just in case."


Bill Welch


Re: Slightly off topic, maybe.

Jack Burgess
 

Jared…



Any of these materials will work better than styrene since even .005” styrene is equal to nearly ½” thick steel in HO.



Here is a variation of a trick that Tom Madden talked about a few years ago while “wrapping” a tank car body. Assume that the tank has three courses. First, wrap the entire tank with one layer of the Mylar or whatever you choose to use. Then cut a piece of material equal to 2/3 the length of the tank and apply that with the edge of the wrapper at one end of the tank. Then cut a piece equal to 1/3 the length and apply it too with one edge at the same end of the tank. Add Archer rivets and you are done.



Jack Burgess





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 4:20 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Slightly off topic, maybe.








I am in the process of scratch building several storage tanks for a bulk oil dealership on my layout. I am using PVC for cores and plan to use styrene for a wrapper. So I have two questions.



1. What thickness styrene should I use for the wrapper?



2. What do I use to glue the styrene to the PVC?



Thanks,



Jared Harper

Athens, GA










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Re: Hercules Powder

Bill Welch
 

Although I don't remember which specific varieties I used, I remember the distinctive squat metal cans that the two or three types of Hercules powders I used for reloading .45 Auto and .357 Magnum ammo. I think it must have come via Railway Express. This was mid-late 1960's early 1970's.

Bill Welch


looking for info on early side-dump ballast car (SP "battleships")

rwbowdidge@...
 

I'm looking for information on cars similar to the Southern Pacific's "battleship" side-dump ballast cars, built in 1902 by the American Steel Foundry in Granite City, Illinois.  These cars were steel, and very boxy.  They had solid side doors that stretched the length of the car, with a line of hinges 2/3 of the way up the car.  These cars were originally built for the Lucin Cutoff, but were also used for Colorado River flooding, San Francisco earthquake cleanup.  Some lasted into the 1950's in maintenance service.

I haven't seen much information on these cars; Tony Thompson's freight cars book has three pages of pictures.  I'm looking for more information on the underframe and structure.  Can anyone point me at other railroads that might have had the same/similar cars?

Here's a sample photo of the cars, taken from an article in the "Desert Sun" newspaper about the Salton Sea damage to SP tracks.

Thanks,

Robert


Re: Slightly off topic, maybe.

tjcataldo
 

0.10 will work jared  acc glue will be fine or tamiya glue

       tom cataldo

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:19 PM, harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I am in the process of scratch building several storage tanks for a bulk oil dealership on my layout.  I am using PVC for cores and plan to use styrene for a wrapper.  So I have two questions.


1.  What  thickness styrene  should I use for the wrapper?


2.  What do I use to glue the styrene to the PVC?


Thanks,


Jared Harper

Athens, GA




--
Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: Hercules Powder

David Sieber
 

 In STMFC, Gene Green said:  I STILL don't know what was carried in those tank cars but I have decided this is not worth pursuing.  I'm pretty sure that, whatever is was, it wouldn't have come from or gone to Marshalltown, Iowa.  If I ever come across appropriate decals and a suitable tank car at the same time, I may just have a Hercules Powder tank car pass through the scene in a through freight but even that is unlikely.  Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Gene, per the history " The powder company was easing out if its role as a manufacturer of explosives as early as 1940, when an anhydrous ammonia plant (NH3fertilizer) was built ... In 1959, Hercules began construction of a multi-million dollar manufacturing facility, the first of its kind in the western states. The company's goal was to annually produce eight million gallons of methanol, 50 million pounds of formaldehyde, and 11 thousand tons of urea formaldehyde composition. Completed in 1966, these were the first buildings constructed in Hercules' 25 years transition from explosives to fertilizer."
Might there have been a receiver of anhydrous ammonia fertilizer in or near the Marshalltown area during your modeling era?
Dave Sieber, Reno  NV

 


Re: Hercules Powder

Chuck Cover
 

There is a Proto 2000 kit for an 8,000 gallon Hercules Tank car.  I just built one.  You can probably find one on EBay.

 

Chuck


Re: Hercules Powder

George Corral <jorgec@...>
 

Hi all,

 

I sent the story about Hercules to my high school buddy who was the manager of the city of Hercules and he replied with this added information:

 

Pretty accurate story. One little known fact was that a majority of the laborers were Chinese. They had separate living quarters. The Chinese workers were given numbers and were addressed by their number not there name. Of the 27 killed in the explosion most were believed to be Chinese. 

 

I saw segments of the narrow gauge rail lines that carried dynamite from the plant which was on the water into the hillside where bunkers were located.”

 

George Corral

La Grange, KY


Re: Hercules Powder

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jerry,

Have you looked at the Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps? Major industries were almost always covered in detail on these maps, including rail sidings, and it is interesting to trace changes from map to map.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/27/15 7:22 AM, asychis@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Since we are talking "powder" companies, does anyone have information on the Egyptian Powder Company? The main factory was in Herrin, Illinois, and I believe it was sold to Olin.  There are a few scattered references to it on the net.  I once saw a logo on some site, but cannot find it back.  It will be on my MoPac layout as a major customer, and the freight car traffic to and from will generate a lot of switching.  Jerry Michels


Re: Hercules Powder

asychis@...
 

Since we are talking "powder" companies, does anyone have information on the Egyptian Powder Company? The main factory was in Herrin, Illinois, and I believe it was sold to Olin.  There are a few scattered references to it on the net.  I once saw a logo on some site, but cannot find it back.  It will be on my MoPac layout as a major customer, and the freight car traffic to and from will generate a lot of switching.  Jerry Michels


Re: Slightly off topic, maybe.

Bill Welch
 

Jared, Loctite markets a CA with a built-in brush. I have only used it once but it was for a similar type of application where I  needed to spread the CA over a large area using as I remember styrene and resin. Worked like a charm. I have seen it at either Home Depot  or Lowe's and recently picked up another blister pack for "just in case."

Bill Welch

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