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Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

gary laakso
 

On the far right of the photo, there is a moving train.  Is the first car a ventilator boxcar or are there braces in the otherwise open door?  

Gary Laakso
South of Mike Brock


On Jun 28, 2015, at 1:28 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

Douglas Harding
 

Yes Bohn ventilator hoods. I could not remember the name and my library is packed for a move that occurs July 1.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

riverman_vt@...
 

    Were these not the Bohn ventilators?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

Gary Ray
 

I didn’t look at the picture (deleted it too soon), but sounds like you are describing Bohn ventilators.

Gary Ray

Magaliia

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 4:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

 




Mike, you need to remember the era of the photo. In 1912 there was a variety of reefer hatches, covers and hood. Those indeed are reefers, the 2nd car has a single hatch on each side with hinges and the metal strap that kept it in place. The large hoods on the third car back are a type of ventilator that was used by the Santa Fe, I believe. Can’t recall the name, but I am sure someone will speak up shortly.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 





Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

Douglas Harding
 

Mike, you need to remember the era of the photo. In 1912 there was a variety of reefer hatches, covers and hood. Those indeed are reefers, the 2nd car has a single hatch on each side with hinges and the metal strap that kept it in place. The large hoods on the third car back are a type of ventilator that was used by the Santa Fe, I believe. Can’t recall the name, but I am sure someone will speak up shortly.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: freight car kits for sale

Armand Premo
 


My requests for your list keeps bouncing.Sorry to have to use this venue.Armand Premo

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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:36 PM
Subject: [STMFC] freight car kits for sale

 

List of HO scale items for sale including undecorated Intermountain and decorated Accurail kits available. List includes freight cars, passenger cars, locomotives and paper items. 

Request list off list only from genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com.

Gene Green


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Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


I have a photo of the other (A) end of this car before it was restored. The left side of the
car (unlike the right side photo below) shows the door locks still in place. Were these locks
only located on one side of the car when these cars still had functional drop doors?
====================

I believe that is correct; same as the Enterprise hardware used on the USRA twin hoppers.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a photo of the other (A) end of this car before it was restored. The left side of the
car (unlike the right side photo below) shows the door locks still in place. Were these locks
only located on one side of the car when these cars still had functional drop doors?

Also FYI -- these cars were 42' IL not 40' as shown on the page below.

Tim O'Connor


 Looks like one of these cars still exists at the museum in Danbury, CT.
 
http://www.danbury.org/drm/nh60521.htm
   -  Claus Schlund


freight car kits for sale

genegreen1942@...
 

List of HO scale items for sale including undecorated Intermountain and decorated Accurail kits available. List includes freight cars, passenger cars, locomotives and paper items. 

Request list off list only from genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com.

Gene Green



Atlanta RPM 2015

Jason Greene
 

Atlanta Railroads Prototype Modelers Meet



September 18 through September 19, 2015

The Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History

2829 Cherokee St., Kennesaw, GA 30144



The Southern Railway Historical Association is pleased to announce the 2nd Annual Atlanta Railroads Prototype Modelers Meet. The meet welcomes all model railroaders interested in replicating prototype railroad locomotive, rolling stock, structures and locations. The focus is on sharing and learning what modelers are doing and how they're doing it. This meet is not a contest and welcomes models in any scale, finished or under-construction, based on prototype railroad locomotives, rolling stock, structures, and scenes, regardless of the modeler's skill level. This meet is a joint effort of the SRHA, Atlantic Coast Line & Seaboard Airline Railroads Historical Society, Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society, Louisville and Nashville Historical Society, and Nashville Chattanooga & St. Louis Preservation Society. Mark your calendars for September 18-19, 2015, get your models ready to display and plan to bring a friend.



The Southern Museum is the home of the “General” (Western & Atlantic No. 3); SRHA's Southern

Railway Archives (Presidents' Files, drawings, photos, and document collections); Dave Salter photo

collection; Glover Machine Works collection; and other Civil War and railroad collections. Admission to the museum is included in your registration and exhibits will be open to attendees. The museum is

adjacent to the CSX Chattanooga Subdivision mainline.



The Southern Railway archives will be open for an SRHA work session and for researchers to access the collection September 15-17. Model, vendors and manufacturers display areas will be open to attendees during meet hours. One or more modular model railroad layouts will be up and running during the meet.



The clinic schedule is being developed and a schedule will be posted before the meet. Watch our web

page for updates.



Meet information, Schedule and registration Forms will be available online at www.srha.net/



2015 Registration Form (TBD)

2015 Clinic Schedule (TBD)



Contact us at:

Vendor/Historical Society Display: Paul Faulk aclsalhshelp1@att.net

General Information: George Eichelberger geichelberger@bellsouth.net

Clinician Coordinator: Jason Greene jason.p.greene@gmail.com


Re: you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

mwbauers
 

You've also presented us with a mystery.

Look closely at the second full car in.....

What are those paired hatches where the end ladder running boards should be??? On both sides and ends of the car roof.... And what is that large offset square hatch or vent near one end of that car on just one side? 

Then the next car has a pair of sheet metal air scoops, each facing a different end of the car.

The further cars have oddities on their roofs as well.

While the photo is tagged as a string of reefers, they are not the typical reefers we have come to know.


Mike Bauers


On Jun 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


you say your modeling leaves something to be desired?

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Looks like one of these cars still exists at the museum in Danbury, CT.
 
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?


Hi List Members,
 
A bit more info - Vol 30 Issue 2 page 11 of The Shoreliner has an image of NH 60210, and the image caption states:
 
"NH gondola #60210 is one of the 60000 series drop bottom cars that had their doors welded shut at Readville in 1947. Seen at Raleigh, NC, Sept 8, 1951. Courtesy of Bob's Photos, NHRHTA, Inc Collection."
 
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Hi Jack and Tim and List Members,
 
Thanks Jack for the extended analysis.
 
My Dec 1930 ORER (same issue as what Jack referenced) lists the entire series NH 60000-60499 as MCB type GA. So clearly one needs to watch one's era!
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Tim,

The class stencil says GA-3 but the ORER lists about 80% of the cars in this series as "GB" 
So? You can't assume that the RR's class designation should match the AAR car type. Heck, on the Santa Fe, GA is just an abbreviation for GondolA.

>I looked up "GA" and the type says "cross bottom dump". Say what? What does that mean? 
My increasingly tattered Apr '42 ORER has a better definition, "...doors hinged crosswise of car to dump between rails."

>Are the cars in this photo GB or GA?
The 1-45 ORER, a couple months before this photo, shows all are GA. The 7-50 edition shows 411 GB and 82 GA, about the ratio you found. There's a reference to note K which lists car numbers of the remaining GAs.  60294 isn't on the list, so it's a GB. The other number Ted mentions, 60917, isn't a valid number. I can't be sure from looking at the scan, but I think it might be 60317, also a GB.  Also, I can't see any evidence of a door operating mechanism in the photo.

It would be nice to check an ORER closer to the time of the photo, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that the cars in the photo are GBs, and that the refurbishing documented in the photo included eliminating the drop doors.

>Were they all original GS?
No, GA as far back as I can trace (12-30). GS doors would be hinged longitudinally, dumping outside the rails.

Jack Mullen

 


Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi List Members,
 
A bit more info - Vol 30 Issue 2 page 11 of The Shoreliner has an image of NH 60210, and the image caption states:
 
"NH gondola #60210 is one of the 60000 series drop bottom cars that had their doors welded shut at Readville in 1947. Seen at Raleigh, NC, Sept 8, 1951. Courtesy of Bob's Photos, NHRHTA, Inc Collection."
 
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Hi Jack and Tim and List Members,
 
Thanks Jack for the extended analysis.
 
My Dec 1930 ORER (same issue as what Jack referenced) lists the entire series NH 60000-60499 as MCB type GA. So clearly one needs to watch one's era!
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Tim,

The class stencil says GA-3 but the ORER lists about 80% of the cars in this series as "GB" 
So? You can't assume that the RR's class designation should match the AAR car type. Heck, on the Santa Fe, GA is just an abbreviation for GondolA.

>I looked up "GA" and the type says "cross bottom dump". Say what? What does that mean? 
My increasingly tattered Apr '42 ORER has a better definition, "...doors hinged crosswise of car to dump between rails."

>Are the cars in this photo GB or GA?
The 1-45 ORER, a couple months before this photo, shows all are GA. The 7-50 edition shows 411 GB and 82 GA, about the ratio you found. There's a reference to note K which lists car numbers of the remaining GAs.  60294 isn't on the list, so it's a GB. The other number Ted mentions, 60917, isn't a valid number. I can't be sure from looking at the scan, but I think it might be 60317, also a GB.  Also, I can't see any evidence of a door operating mechanism in the photo.

It would be nice to check an ORER closer to the time of the photo, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that the cars in the photo are GBs, and that the refurbishing documented in the photo included eliminating the drop doors.

>Were they all original GS?
No, GA as far back as I can trace (12-30). GS doors would be hinged longitudinally, dumping outside the rails.

Jack Mullen

 


Re: Atlas "Rebuilt Boxcar" (was Re: BAR State of Maine Products)

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ben,

Thanks much. Now I know not to waste money on any of these. Sunshine's kit for the ACL prototype was the first resin car I ever built, so that's covered. Since I have a couple of other Wabash cars, I can skip that one.

Yours Aye,


Garth

On 6/28/15 9:56 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Garth Groff asked:
"I know we've kicked these Atlas cars around a bit (actually kicked them to pieces), but are any of their several roof/side/end/height combinations close to any prototype?"

Bottom Line Up Front: NO variation of the Atlas "rebuilt" boxcar (in any scale) accurately models any prototype out of the box. It's a mishmash of features that is a model of nothing, but the modeler is charged $34.95 vice $2.50.

Two variations of the model are close to prototypes, but in each case, the sidesill has to be reworked.  (The sidesills on the model are poorly rendered and are not convincing representations of any prototype, being too shallow in relief and having brackets which don't match anything on the prototype.)
 
- The variation with 5/5/5 Murphy ends, Murphy XLA roof, 8 panel sides, and fishbelly underframe are closest to ACL/C&WC and SL-SF prototypes. 

- The variation with 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel steel roof, 8 panel sides, and fishbelly underframe (I'm not sure if this exists) can be used for WAB 82000-82512, 9 ft 2 in IH, 7/8 Murphy ends, 8 panel sides, rectangular panel steel roof, 6 ft Youngstown door, and Vulcan trucks.

See the group archives for extensive discussions about the Atlas model and the S Helper Service model that it was copied from.


Ben Hom

 



Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Jack and Tim and List Members,
 
Thanks Jack for the extended analysis.
 
My Dec 1930 ORER (same issue as what Jack referenced) lists the entire series NH 60000-60499 as MCB type GA. So clearly one needs to watch one's era!
 
  -  Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Tim,

The class stencil says GA-3 but the ORER lists about 80% of the cars in this series as "GB" 
So? You can't assume that the RR's class designation should match the AAR car type. Heck, on the Santa Fe, GA is just an abbreviation for GondolA.

>I looked up "GA" and the type says "cross bottom dump". Say what? What does that mean? 
My increasingly tattered Apr '42 ORER has a better definition, "...doors hinged crosswise of car to dump between rails."

>Are the cars in this photo GB or GA?
The 1-45 ORER, a couple months before this photo, shows all are GA. The 7-50 edition shows 411 GB and 82 GA, about the ratio you found. There's a reference to note K which lists car numbers of the remaining GAs.  60294 isn't on the list, so it's a GB. The other number Ted mentions, 60917, isn't a valid number. I can't be sure from looking at the scan, but I think it might be 60317, also a GB.  Also, I can't see any evidence of a door operating mechanism in the photo.

It would be nice to check an ORER closer to the time of the photo, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that the cars in the photo are GBs, and that the refurbishing documented in the photo included eliminating the drop doors.

>Were they all original GS?
No, GA as far back as I can trace (12-30). GS doors would be hinged longitudinally, dumping outside the rails.

Jack Mullen

 


Atlas "Rebuilt Boxcar" (was Re: BAR State of Maine Products)

Benjamin Hom
 

Garth Groff asked:
"I know we've kicked these Atlas cars around a bit (actually kicked them to pieces), but are any of their several roof/side/end/height combinations close to any prototype?"

Bottom Line Up Front: NO variation of the Atlas "rebuilt" boxcar (in any scale) accurately models any prototype out of the box. It's a mishmash of features that is a model of nothing, but the modeler is charged $34.95 vice $2.50.

Two variations of the model are close to prototypes, but in each case, the sidesill has to be reworked.  (The sidesills on the model are poorly rendered and are not convincing representations of any prototype, being too shallow in relief and having brackets which don't match anything on the prototype.)
 
- The variation with 5/5/5 Murphy ends, Murphy XLA roof, 8 panel sides, and fishbelly underframe are closest to ACL/C&WC and SL-SF prototypes. 

- The variation with 7/8 Murphy ends, rectangular panel steel roof, 8 panel sides, and fishbelly underframe (I'm not sure if this exists) can be used for WAB 82000-82512, 9 ft 2 in IH, 7/8 Murphy ends, 8 panel sides, rectangular panel steel roof, 6 ft Youngstown door, and Vulcan trucks.

See the group archives for extensive discussions about the Atlas model and the S Helper Service model that it was copied from.


Ben Hom

 


Re: Anhydrous Ammonia Fertilizer (was Re: Hercules Powder)

Tim O'Connor
 

There's a Jim Gerstley slide of UTLX 92042, a Hercules anhydrous ammonia tank car
in Los Angeles, circa 1959. Certainly by the late 1950's such cars were not unusual.
These cars were usually 11,000-12,000 gallons though and wouldn't be mistaken for
the smaller Hercules tank cars carrying ingredients for explosives.

Tim O'Connor

Dave Sieber asked, "Might there have been a receiver of anhydrous ammonia fertilizer in or near the Marshalltown area during your modeling era?"

The correct answer is, "I don't know."

Some research is required on my part. I model September 1950. I don't recall Iowa farmers, where I grew up in the 1940s and 1950s, using any fertilizer except that which came from the south end of a northbound cow. Someone somewhere had to be first, though. Without much thought I had rejected the idea of liquid fertilizer and a related industry as being too modern. I shall investigate more thoroughly.

Gene Green


Re: BAR State of Maine Products

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ben,

I know we've kicked these Atlas cars around a bit (actually kicked them to pieces), but are any of their several roof/side/end/height combinations close to any prototype? Surely the Gods of Chance could have blessed at least one or two to be near-correct? Oh, I forgot. Those deities are also the Golf Gods!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 6/27/15 4:24 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
�

Brad Smith wrote:

"Both companies strive for accuracy, Atlas especially after getting burned a couple of times."

You give Atlas way too much credit as long as they continue to make money off of this piece of crap in O, HO, and N:
http://www.atlaso.com/osteelrebuilt8.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt4.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/nsteelrebuilt4.htm

Ben Hom



Re: New Haven gondola car type?

Jack Mullen
 

Tim,

The class stencil says GA-3 but the ORER lists about 80% of the cars in this series as "GB" 
So? You can't assume that the RR's class designation should match the AAR car type. Heck, on the Santa Fe, GA is just an abbreviation for GondolA.

>I looked up "GA" and the type says "cross bottom dump". Say what? What does that mean? 
My increasingly tattered Apr '42 ORER has a better definition, "...doors hinged crosswise of car to dump between rails."

>Are the cars in this photo GB or GA?
The 1-45 ORER, a couple months before this photo, shows all are GA. The 7-50 edition shows 411 GB and 82 GA, about the ratio you found. There's a reference to note K which lists car numbers of the remaining GAs.  60294 isn't on the list, so it's a GB. The other number Ted mentions, 60917, isn't a valid number. I can't be sure from looking at the scan, but I think it might be 60317, also a GB.  Also, I can't see any evidence of a door operating mechanism in the photo.

It would be nice to check an ORER closer to the time of the photo, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that the cars in the photo are GBs, and that the refurbishing documented in the photo included eliminating the drop doors.

>Were they all original GS?
No, GA as far back as I can trace (12-30). GS doors would be hinged longitudinally, dumping outside the rails.

Jack Mullen

 

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