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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Paul Koehler
 

Bob:

 

I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

 

 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O Modeler

mwbauers
 

Thank you for posting this link.

It worked very well for me once I explored the earlier dates of the archive.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 20, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


………..


Re: Stock car identity sought

Richard Townsend
 

I agree. Thanks to both of you.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 9:07 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stock car identity sought

 


Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

>Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.
>
>Doug Harding


Re: B&O Modeler

Edward
 

I tried that link.

The Web Crawler notice there last visited the B&O Modeler page on Feb 3 2015.

Clicking on that date leads to a page not found notice.


I also had an article submitted to the B&O Modeler in July 2012. It was about building an O scale model of B&O diner 1035.  The article materials became lost and in December 2014 I was asked I could replace them, which I did. This article was to appear in a later 2015 issue. 


Mention of this diner was made in the last issue of the B&O Modeler, as it had been seen at a prototype modelers meet at Malvern PA.


I was asked if I built it, (I did) but an incorrect class designation was given for it. I was advised this error would be corrected when my article about the model was to appear.


Ed Bommer


Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Stock car identity sought

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.

Doug Harding


Re: NYC train consists

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote :

I suppose another way of looking at it is this:  were the meaning of the car initials matched someplace by a the same name on a locomotive? If yes, don’t consolidate them with their parent roadname; If no, think about the specific issues for a while.

 

Dave Nelson

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The best source for determination of this might be the ORER. In any given issue, each road's listing will state in the header, "Cars of this company are marked..." and will list all the reporting marks then in use by that road. This automatically adjusts for fallen flags, as the road will continue to list the old mark as long as they still have cars that have not been re-lettered.


Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O Modeler

Tim O'Connor
 

Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


Tim O'Connor


Re: NYC train consists

Scott H. Haycock
 

Something I've noticed as I go through these consists is, every box car listed as "merchandise" has a 10 ton load weight. Considering that almost all of the other box cars have a more specific description of their lading, would it be safe to assume that these cars carry l.c.l. loads? Is the 10 ton listing just a shortcut to actually weighing these cars, as the nature of l.c.l. would almost never approach the load limit of the car? 

Scott Haycock




Re: Algoma Central boxcar

Walter Cox
 

With apologies to the list, I would like to correct some incorrect information in my previous email concerning Algoma Central box car no. 2901. I originally counted the end ribs from a faded sketch and later located a model of the original GTW car and discovered that the end panels were actually 7/2/8. Sorry for the error. Walt
 
 

In a message dated 7/15/2015 2:48:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WaltGCox@... writes:
Hi Lester,
A. C. 2901 was originally a Grand Trunk Western 1921 series single sheathed boxcar rebuilt by GTW in 1937. It was later damaged and written off while on A .C. rails.  A. C. kept the car and repaired it. The GTW rebuild had   given it new steel 10' 4" sides so the Athearn length and height are ok and                        
the roof should be ok as GTW switched to raised panel roofs halfway through a previous rebuild.
 The 2/5/7 ends, the fishbelly underframe and the end sill projection along the bottom of the sides would all be missing from the Athearn model. 2901 was obviously one of a kind and I believe it was A. C'.s only steel boxcar for quite some time.
I hope this helps, Walt
 
 

 



Re: NYC train consists

richard haave
 

Milw may be "High" due to their part ownership (with NYC and CNW) of IHB.


Dick Haave


Re: NYC train consists

Dave Nelson
 

It’s been so long I don’t recall exactly what rule Tim and I followed.  I do know I always recorded the car initial and not the corporate name.   I always recorded the initials in the book as-is and later on entered a second column with what I thought the initials meant.  More than a few times I came to realize early conclusions could be wrong).

 

What I was always trying to do is cull out the excess result of cars that might be sitting around somewhere in protective service – that is to say not circulating in the national pool – that could get a load at any time, as well as purely local traffic.  To do that I suspect I did not ever consolidate by corporate identity when I was aware that the “sub-road” reported to the ICC on their own – so if I could see that, oh, the P&LE did their own reporting to ICC I would not have considered a consolidation of PLE with NYC, but looking instead at the Cincinnati Northern… weren’t they gone as a legal entity by 1948? Might the reported cars in this list simply be wandering souls not yet redeemed and repainted?  If so then adding their numbers into NYC is an arguable case.

 

I suppose another way of looking at it is this:  were the meaning of the car initials matched someplace by a the same name on a locomotive? If yes, don’t consolidate them with their parent roadname; If no, think about the specific issues for a while.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC train consists

 




Dave,

 

I noticed a few car listings on your data that are NYC System affiliates; PLE, BA, CCCSTL, CNOR, MC, and PMKY. These account for 20 cars but I'm uncertain how much independence these lines had at the time of these lists. I had thought the CNOR and CCCSTL were fully merged into the NYCS. 



I guess this becomes a question of where do you draw the line. 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 


Re: NYC train consists

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Thanks,

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Sun, 7/19/15, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@att.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2015, 8:50 PM


 









IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.



Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that
variation away from

that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC
data averaged out

at around 20-21% across all roads.



Dave Nelson



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Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists



Thanks for doing this. I would like to see the percent from
NYC as that

would give us the amount from the home road.



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Re: NYC train consists

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave,

I noticed a few car listings on your data that are NYC System affiliates; PLE, BA, CCCSTL, CNOR, MC, and PMKY. These account for 20 cars but I'm uncertain how much independence these lines had at the time of these lists. I had thought the CNOR and CCCSTL were fully merged into the NYCS. 

I guess this becomes a question of where do you draw the line. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:50 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.  

Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that variation away from
that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC data averaged out
at around 20-21% across all roads.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists

Thanks for doing this.  I would like to see the percent from NYC as that
would give us the amount from the home road.

Cyril Durrenberger


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Re: NYC train consists

Dave Nelson
 

IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.

Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that variation away from
that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC data averaged out
at around 20-21% across all roads.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists

Thanks for doing this. I would like to see the percent from NYC as that
would give us the amount from the home road.

Cyril Durrenberger


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Re: Reading GHN Gondola

Kenneth Schanz
 

Thanks for the responses.

Ken Schanz



On Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:53 PM, "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
The first line: "1 W STEEL WHEEL"

Refers to one wear steel wheels verses "cast wheels" and one wear means they can't turned on a lathe to remove "flat spots", re-shape the flange, etc.

Bob Witt



Re: B&O Modeler

Greg Martin
 

B&O Modeler BOb Chapman writes:

"Not quite nobody, at least on the B&O side. I have been submitting articles to B&O Modeler; as each has appeared I have submitted another. And as Modeler died, my latest submission (a freight car feature) is concurrently dying in the "Modeler office," and a few others for later issues are dying in my file.
 
Large numbers of submitted articles may be lacking, but I'm certain enough material was available to keep Modeler going, especially if the publication schedule were made flexible as it has been in recent years. It's my belief that the primary problem is the time, skill, and commitment required from a volunteer editor to make each issue happen. It's a big job, and there doesn't seem to be a ready solution, at least in this case.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman"  
 
I have to agree with Bob, the issues don't entirely belong to the modelers, there is a staff that the modelers appeal to that has to be there when the material arrives.
 
The historical society has to take on the burden of making the modeler's eZines a success, from the BOD to the sitting president to the committee members of the societies modeling committee. They will sooner or later come to the realization the a "fallen flag" society is doomed if the society is not catering to the modeling in a "society forum". As they say if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem...
 
You have to ask yourself why would the work of an excellent modeler like Bob Chapman go unpublished?  My, my...
 
I have to say that the work of Ben Hom has to be recognized with regard to the B&O Modeler as well as his work in The Keystone Modeler; however he is no one man show.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Attempted Southern on-line magazine (was B&O Modeler)

Jim King
 

Last year (maybe 2013), there was a widespread email posting requesting interest from modelers to support a proposed Southern Railway on-line modeling magazine similar to the ACL/SALHS, B&OHS and others.  From what I was told by the three main guys behind the proposal, you could count on 2 hands the number of responses.  The idea was DOA before it ever launched.

 

The B&O Modeler was well-written and had many interesting articles applicable to non-B&O topics, regardless of era.  However, just like all other aspects of model building, not just model railroading, the amount of time required to thoroughly research the prototype, build an accurate model, then write a detailed article with photos, keeps many would-be authors at bay.  There is no skirting the “time issue”, not only for the author but also the editor, publisher and distributors.  Several years ago, I heard another manufacturer state “it is easier to write a check, then learn how to build a model”.  He was referring to buying RTR or having a professional build the model.  The decline in builders also rolls over to the reduced demand for modeling articles and authors.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: NYC train consists

Guy Wilber
 

Double Deck stock car, Dave.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:05 PM, "'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@att.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Oh… that reminds me, there is a car cod I’m not sure about – DD – what is that?


Re: NYC train consists

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Thanks for doing this. I would like to see the percent from NYC as that would give us the amount from the home road.

Cyril Durrenberger

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